Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 16

January 16
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 16, 2023.

List of Registered Historic Places in Los Angeles County, California/Temp
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 02:30, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * List of Registered Historic Places in Los Angeles County, California/Temp → National Register of Historic Places listings in Los Angeles County, California (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused implausible redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I concur. The redirect is a legacy of material having been developed there, at first, by me apparently.  Material and all edit history was moved long ago. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 23:22, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete A draft page that has no purpose. History was also moved. Carpimaps (talk) 01:21, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
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Architectural endoscopy/tmp
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination. The talk page is retained though.  Jay  💬 02:27, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Architectural endoscopy/tmp → Architectural endoscopy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Histmerge leftover, all potentially useful history is the content of the relevant talk page. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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The Brian Jonestown Massacre/Temp
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per CSD G7 as creator ... I would normally not leave these behind and this case was an accident.  Graham 87  23:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The Brian Jonestown Massacre/Temp → The Brian Jonestown Massacre (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Brian Jonestown Massacre/Temp2 → The Brian Jonestown Massacre (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible title, no useful history. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:15, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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Real Networks/Temp
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per CSD G7 as creator ... I would normally not leave these behind and this case was an accident.  Graham 87  23:27, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Real Networks/Temp → RealNetworks (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused histmerge leftover. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:13, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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Guantánamo Bay/Draft
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 02:19, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Guantánamo Bay/Draft">Guantánamo Bay/Draft → Guantánamo Bay (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused redirect from bad title. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: this was the initial title of the Guantánamo Bay article (which was then moved to Guantánamo Bay (Cuba) and then to its current title shortly after the article's creation). Deleting redirects from moves is nothing unusual. Duckmather (talk) 15:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Duckmather. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 18:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
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Test Wikipedia
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of Wikipedias. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:46, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Test Wikipedia → Wikipedia:Test Wikipedia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Exists from an undiscussed move by a blocked user, and is a CNR which doesn't really provide any info about Test Wikipedia. Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 24 reached a consensus to move the target (which was a mainspace redirect) to projectspace, and it was moved without a redirect. Clyde!Franklin! 22:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC) (Amendment: I now support a retarget to List of Wikipedias. I was unaware of any encyclopedic mention at the time. Clyde!Franklin! 04:22, 20 January 2023 (UTC))


 * Delete. I appear as the creator of this redirect from when I reverted a move of the Wikipedia:Test Wikipedia dab page by a now-blocked editor.  I thought of the redirect as relatively harmless, but perhaps with closer investigation I'd have tried to clean it up.  I certainly have no objection to it being deleted now.  Lithopsian (talk) 14:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of Wikipedias as a R to list entry and R to anchor. Steel1943  (talk) 18:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Steel1943. Thryduulf (talk) 18:50, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
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Christian church directory of the United States
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 24%23Christian church directory of the United States

Yvj
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Yeovil Junction railway station. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:40, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Yvj → YVJ (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no use of "Yvj" at this capitalisation. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:42, 9 January 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Should this be retargeted to Yeovil Junction railway station, or would it be best to keep and restore the DAB at YVJ? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 20:18, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep because it's WP:CHEAP unless there is a valid case for WP:REDLINK for a specific subject per WP:DIFFCAPS. Steel1943  (talk) 20:04, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Yeovil Junction railway station to bypass the double redirect. Steel1943  (talk) 18:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - at the very least this double redirect should be fixed, targeting Yeovil Junction railway station and tagging with Template:R avoided double redirect in case the DAB page at YVJ is restored or it is changed in some other way. A7V2 (talk) 23:19, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep/Procedurally retarget to Yeovil Junction railway station: My vote is to keep if YVJ is restored to a DAB as WP:CHEAP and to retarget to Yeovil Junction railway station if it is to remain a redirect. With the A2r tag per A7V2. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 00:31, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Procedural retarget to Yeovil Junction railway station as a double redirect. MusiBedrock (talk) 02:10, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment: On the issue of the restoration of YVJ, I am find keeping it as is. It was only disambiguating one page before being turned into a redirect. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 13:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
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International Cricket in 2024-25
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As noted in the discussion, moving a retarget under RfD discussion makes a wreck of the process and is bad form. Luckily, a consensus was already fairly clear from the discussion prior to that point. signed,Rosguill talk 16:56, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


 * International Cricket in 2024-25 → International cricket in 2024–25 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="International cricket in 2024–25">International cricket in 2024–25 → International cricket (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unhelpful to the reader as not discussed in the article.  J947  † edits 03:29, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. It can be recreated next year (in late 2024). Duckmather (talk) 03:56, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete until enough reliable information is known about this season. The WP:CRYSTALs in our mine won't start forming until then. Regards, SONIC 678 05:31, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON. MusiBedrock (talk) 07:00, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: At the point this is needed, a separate article will be created anyway. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:00, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to ICC Future Tours Programme which is where we seem to have the only information about international cricket in 2024-25. Thryduulf (talk) 17:47, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * None of the events mentioned in that section looks like they'll definitely happen in the 2024-25 cricket season (which by convention will be September 2024 to April 2025). Of the items mentioned there for 2024 or 2025, 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup is in the 2024 season (which will be May to September 2024) not the 2024-25 season, the 2025 Women's Cricket World Cup and ICC Champions Trophy don't yet have a date (so maybe will be in the 2024-25 season, but maybe not), so nothing definitive about actual events happening in that specific time period. Thus, I support deletion over redirection. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 12:09, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Redirect was renamed by and moved to International cricket in 2024–25 where the RfD tag still remains. So, I'm relisting this nomination in order to include both here. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:26, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Not needed for now. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:19, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As of now, page has been redirected to ICC Future Tours Programme, Vikram Maingi (talk) 12:58, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * By you, unilaterally. Incredibly bad form to change the target of a redirect during a discussion about the redirect. Feel free to contribute your thoughts here, but please don't just unilaterally change the redirect again. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 18:12, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Page was moved as per the correct naming convention and REDIRECT target was changed as per the comment mentioned above. I am npt making any changes and waiting for your revert. Thanks, Vikram Maingi (talk) 04:36, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * And the change of target was reverted by Joseph2302. I don't know what to make of your change. Did you modify the target because you were not aware of the Redirects for Discussion process, or are you a participant in this discussion with an opinion on what to do with the redirect?  Jay  💬 02:13, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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Republic of Ukraine
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Ukrainian Republic. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:42, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Republic of Ukraine → Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target was arbitrarily changed from Post-Soviet transition in Ukraine. While I agree that that's not the best target, the modern country isn't called the "Republic of Ukraine" either. This redirect could conceivably refer to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic or the Ukrainian People's Republic, but neither are commonly known as this, so there's not really justification for disambiguating. I think deletion retargeting to Ukrainian Republic is the best path. An anonymous username, not my real name 18:15, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ukrainian Republic (a disambiguation page), though I think that article probably needs a slight rewrite if the name was never actually "Ukrainian Republic". But in any case I definitely think this could be a plausible search term for in particular the current country and the various communist states, which are all listed on the DAB page. A7V2 (talk) 03:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ukrainian Republic per A7V2 as this is a highly plausible search term for the various states called Ukraine that are/were republics. Thryduulf (talk) 15:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Ukraine is a republic for 31 years, it was a Soviet republic for 73 years before that, and it is also successor of the Ukrainian People’s Republic and West Ukrainian People’s Republic. This is precisely the main article for this term.  —Michael Z. 15:50, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * If I'm understanding you correctly, it sounds like you would support retargeting, since you bring up earlier governments of Ukraine. If that's the case, your vote should reflect this. An anonymous username, not my real name  16:38, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * pinging so they see the above message. A7V2 (talk) 22:32, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hm, I see. I guess my solution is of broader scope.
 * The title Ukraine is used for the primary topic, and separately we have Ukraine (disambiguation).
 * Both “republic of Ukraine” and “Ukrainian republic” are exact synonyms for Ukraine. Every subject listed on Ukrainian Republic is also called Ukraine. Both of these names should redirect to the main article Ukraine. Most or all of the other articles are already linked from it, in summary style.
 * So I do prefer keeping it as is. —Michael Z. 02:09, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand your point, but to quote our article on the name of Ukraine, "Ukraine is the official full name of the country, as stated in its declaration of independence and its constitution; there is no official alternative long name." Therefore, it is no more or less correct to use this name for the modern state than any of its precursors. An anonymous username, not my real name  03:24, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Ukrainian republic and republic of Ukraine (caps thus) are not proper names but accurate descriptive phrases, Ukraine being a republic. Presumed search terms should be permissive in their interpretation. —Michael Z. 05:04, 18 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to the disambiguation page, presumably a reader searching this is looking for something more specific than just Ukraine. CMD (talk) 09:14, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
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Emerald Palms
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:46, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Emerald Palms → Island of Bryan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Okay, so this redirect is to the former name of the property used by the Island of Bryan television show. As far as I can see this is incredibly obscure and entirely non-notable. I don't see readers being confused here.

As a secondary proposal, let us remove the hatnotes at Island of Bryan and Zamioculcas. They draw attention to this search term in a way I can't see is appropriate.

Again, yes, the redirect phrase is currently mentioned by the target article, but all those former resort names are obscure with no established notability (the only source ref is their mention in the show itself). They could easily be removed, and this redirect with them.

Finally, a question: is it really proper for a redirect creation to be reviewed and approved by the very same editor that created the redirect? (As in this case) CapnZapp (talk) 16:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - redirects are not subject to notability requirements. Emerald Palms is discussed at the current target, and the hatnote is there to help someone searching for the plant. A7V2 (talk) 03:07, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Emerald Palms was never "discussed" at the current target - it was a mere trivia mention. I have now edited the article to remove the list of previous names. (No notability or relevance or importance was ever shown, and the only source of those names is a reference to an episode of the show itself). CapnZapp (talk) 13:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Please also consider answering my question, A7V2: is it really proper for a redirect creation to be reviewed and approved by the very same editor that created the redirect? Thank you in advance. CapnZapp (talk) 13:47, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm really not following: "facts" don't need to be notable. WP:DUE is the relevant policy for determining whether content is suitable for inclusion in an article. Also it is often fine to have primary sources for information but just not ideal. If you think that the target article Island of Bryan fails notability then nominate it at AfD. But editorial matters about the article, and notability concerns about the article are outside the scope of RfD. Emerald Palms is still briefly discussed in the article (as it probably should be). As to your question, I don't really know or care. I'm not that familiar with how Articles for creation works, but for such a simple redirect as this, if an IP user requested this be created then I don't see any issue with any user in good standing, as I've no doubt is, creating this redirect. If you have any issues with the process you're better off taking it up at their talkpage or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation but it's not really relevant here as the manner it was created doesn't make much difference. A7V2 (talk) 22:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Mentioned at target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:00, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment the old incarnation of the hotel may be notable separately from the TV show due to its history: it's located in the constituency of former Bahamian PM Lynden Pindling, and revelations of corruption in the purchase of that (and other) hotels there by the Hotel Corporation of the Bahamas were a big part of why his party lost the 1992 elections. Scant trace of this remains online, aside from the Privy Council case over the royal commission of inquiry against Pindling, but it was a big deal at the time and resulted in a lot of coverage of the hotel. Not sure whether that means we should delete it per WP:R or what; I suspect adding this much detail about a three-decade-old political scandal would be WP:UNDUE on an article about the TV show. Note also that there are a large number of other similar redirects to the same target (I put them in a collapse box below). 59.149.117.119 (talk) 09:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)




 * This is a good point actually. But I don't think we should be adding 10 or 15 new redirects to this now, better for a separate discussion. Of course those Emerald Palms redirects should share the same fate, and similarly for the Ritz Beach ones. Note that Ritz beach is not currently mentioned, but it was recently . Also potentially I think it would be better to refine rather than just keep, targeting the section Island of Bryan and putting a bolded use of the old name. A7V2 (talk) 22:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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Belarusian Agricultural Academy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 01:50, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Belarusian Agricultural Academy → be:Беларуская дзяржаўная сельскагаспадарчая акадэмія (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Please, no soft redirects interlanguage links, only soft redirects to English-language projects (and even then only occasionaly). Fram (talk) 15:59, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Why? Google translate does a perfectly coherent job. Oculi (talk) 17:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SRD] . They also falsely imply we have English-language content about the target which misleads readers and discourages the creation of wanted articles. Thryduulf (talk) 17:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Thryduulf. A7V2 (talk) 03:03, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:SRD. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:07, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
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Kalashnikov Izhevsk State Technical University
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 01:44, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Kalashnikov Izhevsk State Technical University → ru:Ижевский государственный технический университет (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not helpful for English-language users. Fram (talk) 15:57, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Why? Google translate does a perfectly coherent job. Oculi (talk) 17:03, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * See also my comments at regarding misleading users, but Google translate (or other machine translators) are not available everywhere and cannot be relied upon to be accurate. If someone is able to and wants to use them however then they can do so just as well by visiting the Russian (or whatever language) Wikipedia directly without any of the downsides of a soft redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 17:11, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, WP:SRD and my comments at . Thryduulf (talk) 17:11, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Thryduulf. A7V2 (talk) 03:02, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. WP:NOT a directory, and I’m not aware of a precedent to redirect titles to other Wiki projects. (If anything, it should provide all the foreign-language project links as articles do, or link to Wikidata.) —Michael Z. 16:10, 18 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete: Interlanguage redirects are generally to be avoided as it cannot be assumed a reader on the English language wikipedia will speak the language linked to. The best to do in this scenario would be to use ill wherever this is linked which which would link to the Russian article, but red link the English article to encourage creation. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 13:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: per WP:SRD. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
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Template substitution
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Rough consensus for deletion over the retarget proposal that primarily received weak support. signed,Rosguill talk 16:53, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Template substitution → Substitution (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not what the target disambiguation page is about at all. Delete due to this (preferred option) or weak retarget to Substitution Template processor as the most likely intended target (not preferred since it would make the nominated redirect a WP:XNR). Steel1943 (talk) 17:45, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Updated nomination statement per information presented below. Steel1943  (talk) 21:04, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 18:04, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Substitution; this would be helpful for newer editors Template processor per 59.149.117.119 as an R from related topic . Duckmather (talk) 18:29, 29 December 2022 (UTC) ; edited 21:19, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete or weak retarget to template processor. The concept of template substitution is not Mediawiki-exclusive, but is found in multiple programming and markup languages . An XNR would be both unhelpful (misdirecting readers who are trying to find e.g. C++ template substitution) and unnecessary (understanding namespaces is a very basic threshold level of editing competence, something that editors should understand long before they start worrying about which templates need to be substituted). 59.149.117.119 (talk) 22:20, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. This term has only 2 mentions in Enwiki and Search would find them. Certainly do not create an unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:01, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 12:11, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Too vague term, no particular mentions. MusiBedrock (talk) 10:47, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think that 59.149.117.119 has a point. I've amended my !vote accordingly. Duckmather (talk) 21:19, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Midnight Rain (Taylor Swift song)
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was Moot. The draft has been moved over the redirect by Ingenuity.  Thryduulf (talk) 17:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Midnight Rain (Taylor Swift song)">Midnight Rain (Taylor Swift song) → Midnights (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete to make way for Draft:Midnight Rain (song) to be moved in Tantomile (talk) 09:34, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

<sub style="font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 11:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't delete. If the draft gets completed, simply have a page mover move it to "Midnight Rain (song)" and retarget the "Midnight Rain (Taylor Swift song)" redirect to the new article. <b style="border-radius:3em;padding:4px;background:#37607C;color:white;">‍ ‍ Elias 🌊 ‍ </b> ‍ <span style="display:inline-block;margin-bottom:-0.3em;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1.2em;font-size:80%;text-align:left"><sup style="font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">💬 "Will you call me?"
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Nueva York
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 23%23Nueva York