Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 19

January 19
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 19, 2023.

朱子家禮
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . There were no further opinions about plausible targets after the relist.  Jay  💬 09:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * 朱子家禮 → Zhu Xi (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect looks like it is referring to Zhu Xi's Jia li, which is not mentioned in the article except for in the translations section of the further reading. Since the work is not mentioned in the article, the redirect should be deleted. Mucube (talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:05, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. This is mentioned (transliterated as Zhuzi jiali) several times in Shenyi and once in Society in the Joseon dynasty. The latter would definitely not make a good target for the redirect, but the former is not so clear cut as the mentions are more than in passing and there is some detail but it's not the topic or a subtopic of the article and on-balance I don't think it's helpful but I could be persuaded otherwise. It does make me wonder though if this is a subject we should have an article on? Thryduulf (talk) 22:55, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Arny of Yugoslavia
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 27%23Arny of Yugoslavia

American Boxing Confederation
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 08:57, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * American Boxing Confederation → International Boxing Association (amateur) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Similar to African Boxing Confederation below, this is not mentioned at International Boxing Association. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * delete per nom. Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:27, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
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African Boxing Confederation
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 08:50, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * African Boxing Confederation → International Boxing Association (amateur) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is now a double redirect, but the target International Boxing Association doesn't seem suitable because the term isn't mentioned there, and I can't find an alternative. It might be better to delete and allow Search to find the 8 mentions. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * delete per nom. Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:28, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Military
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Template:Military and war. signed,Rosguill talk 17:16, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Template:Military → Template:Infobox national military (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

this redirect should be pointing to the template Military and war, instead of its current target. the current target is simply a generic infobox; its content varies for each entry where it appears, based on whichever specific national military force is being addresssed, for that specific entry.

the proposed new target is a proper navbox, which does indeed focus upon the entire broad topical area of military topics as a whole, such as structure, procedures, resources, methods etc etc as a general topic. Sm8900 (talk) 21:08, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
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Brazilian submarine Mariz e Barros (1973)
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete (WP:G7)  . (non-admin closure) <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 19:10, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Brazilian submarine Mariz e Barros (1973)">Brazilian submarine Mariz e Barros (1973) → USS Brinkley Bass (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

my mistake, cut and paste error, not a submarine but a destroyer Lyndaship (talk) 15:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
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Paideutics
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Although adding a mention may be preferable.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 05:03, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Paideutics → Pedagogy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article, leading the connection between the redirect and the article unclear. The redirect is not mentioned in any article on Wikipedia; however, paideutics exists ... which hints that this term may have a connection to Propaedeutics. Steel1943 (talk) 19:42, 4 January 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: No mention has been added yet to the current target. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:45, 11 January 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: No mention yet. Another try. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 07:33, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - This does seem to be a synonym for pedagogy, see for example (as well as wikitionary). I suppose mention could be added to the lede or the etymology section of current target. A7V2 (talk) 00:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
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 * Keep as synonym, even without mention. signed,Rosguill talk 17:42, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep This is the sort of R without mention I can get behind. The terms seem synonymous, and I'm not worried about Propaedeutics given there's no equivalent "Propedagogy". --BDD (talk) 22:28, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
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Education studies
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 17:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Education studies → Pedagogy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Education Studies → Pedagogy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems these redirects could also refer to Philosophy of education with no clear answer to which one is a better target. (Also, when Education studies was created in 2005, it targeted Education.) Steel1943  (talk) 19:38, 4 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 07:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep WP defines pedagogy as the study of how knowledge and skills are imparted in an educational context, and it considers the interactions that take place during learning. Based on this definition, the current target seems the most appropriate. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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God Talk
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 01:01, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


 * God Talk → Theology (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection unclear. In addition, as a subject, it could refer to alternative subjects besides this one in reference to God. However, with all that being said, there is a proper subject which has this title that is currently on Wikipedia: The subject is a song listed at The Gold Album: 18th Dynasty, so probably retarget to The Gold Album: 18th Dynasty and tag as R from song. Steel1943 (talk) 18:55, 4 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Delete or retarget? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 07:28, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete to facilitate unencumbered Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:52, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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 * Keep Appears to be a colloquial synonym for theology used by several books:, , , , etc. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's accurate to term it a synonym, looking at usage in the above sources but also in this one. "God talk" appears to refer to religious discourse in general, and especially the inclusion of religious discourse in non-religious settings, but not necessarily theology. I would suggest deletion as a case of WP:REDYES. signed,Rosguill talk 17:29, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I didn't come across that source in my search. I'll switch to delete per REDYES. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:01, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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Leftovers of Views on Shia Islam
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 26%23Leftovers of Views on Shia Islam

Opcode database
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:52, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Opcode database → Metasploit (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Opcode Database → Metasploit (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Regarding Opcode database, the section in question is no longer visible. User:Notajoy doesn’t find this redirection to any use. See Special:Diff/1132967646. Tropicalkitty (talk) 16:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Bundled Opcode Database as well, and this can be listed for another week. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 06:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
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 * Keep - the section may be gone but there's still mentions of the Opcode database at the target. signed,Rosguill talk 17:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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Thomas G. Seaman
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 10:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Thomas G. Seaman → The Hamptons (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

delete. This person was added by anon IP to the list of notable residents of The Hapmtons and later someone else added the redirect. I failed to find any usage in wikipedia or notability of the person other than he is/was a lawyer. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 00:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not mentioned and definitely no reason for this to exist. Skynxnex (talk) 19:34, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Also an obvious BLP issue. Revdel-worthy? — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 07:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
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