Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 23

January 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 23, 2023.

John (European rulers)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 31%23John (European rulers)

Draft:Zombies 3 and User:Amaury/sandbox/Zombies 3
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 16:54, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Draft:Zombies 3 → Zombies 3 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/Zombies 3 → Zombies 3 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Please delete these redirects. I know the page Zombies 3 used to be a draft created by Barbara Simak and a sandbox page by Amaury, but now it is a live Wikipedia article in the mainspace. 99.209.40.250 (talk) 15:07, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: I merged the two discussions, which I hope will make this discussion easier. Regards, SONIC 678 17:51, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep – Like it or not, when drafts are moved to Mainspace, redirects to the resulting articles are generally left in Draftspace. As for Amaury's user page, it's up to him if he wants to WP:U1 it. Note: The IP is incorrect – Amaury's version is the version of the article that was moved into Mainspace. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:09, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:RDRAFT. Randi Moth (talk) 10:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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Eugene Roe
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Band of Brothers (miniseries). signed,Rosguill talk 17:53, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Eugene Roe → E Company, 506th Infantry Regiment (United States) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems like a non-notable soldier, not mentioned in the target article. PS. Maybe retarget to Band of Brothers (miniseries) which does mention him? Current target is a result of Articles for deletion/Eugene Roe. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:39, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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Seven Two
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 12%23Seven Two

Latin Rite Catholic Church (splinter group)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 31%23Latin Rite Catholic Church (splinter group)

Rosebud Primary School
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 30%23Rosebud Primary School

Nueva York
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk!</b> 05:54, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Nueva York → New York City (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The English-language "New York" is a DAB page. There's no reason for this to be any different. Partofthemachine (talk, ) 01:03, 16 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 05:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to New York. oknazevad (talk) 02:17, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to New York per oknazevad. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 18:33, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Just because there is no primary topic for "New York" doesn't mean there isn't one for "Nueva York". es:Nueva York being an article about the city not a disambiguation page and google results seem to back up the city being the primary topic for this specific search term. Thryduulf (talk) 23:08, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with Thryduulf, it would appear that the city—New York City—is the primary topic for this specific search term. One cultural reference to this point, when Barry Manilow sang of "Nueva York" he was referring specifically to New York City. Drdpw (talk) 14:59, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. The Spanish-language use of Nueva York almost unambiguously refers to NYC, and the city is the WP:PTOPIC for the term. This is different than the American English situation where the state of New York is very frequently referred to by the term. For these reasons, the redirect should remain as-is. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)"> Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Keep arguments above. Libcub (talk) 08:01, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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Variety of jacksfilms redirects
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  most, retarget Intern 2 to List of MyMusic characters -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:08, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Klessig → Jacksfilms (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Me Me Big Boy → Jacksfilms (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Erin is the Funny One → Jacksfilms (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Gamergod88 → Jacksfilms (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Sideburns Crew → Jacksfilms (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Intern 2 → Jacksfilms (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Kristen Klessig → Jacksfilms (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Most of these redirects originate as valid redirects to sections within the article at the time, however the article has been halved in size as a form of removing WP:FANCRUFT since, and therefore there is no more mention of these topics on the article. Kristen Klessig and Klessig are similar in being from a person mentioned in the article in the past, but that section was removed in 2012 due to not having a valid source and never restored.

I support deletion, unless these sections get restored with reliable secondary sources showing notability. Randi Moth (talk) 20:33, 14 January 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: For an opinion on Intern 2. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 03:02, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete most: As noted, most of these are from older revision of the article that are now gone. The one exception to deletion would be Intern 2 as that could be retargeted to MyMusic or List of MyMusic characters.  There is also a less likely alternative: Retarget to List of former Central States Wrestling personnel as Thomas Andersen went by the name Intern #2 for a number of years.  (There are at least four other NWA Championship articles that mention this: US Mid-America, World San Francisco, World Mid-America, World Central States)  After that, I don't see any practical uses for Intern 2.  --Super Goku V (talk) 06:44, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget Intern 2 to MyMusic, but delete the rest. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 07:19, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget Intern 2 to List of MyMusic characters which has much more description of the character than MyMusic. Delete the rest. Jay  💬 17:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
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Afro-
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Afro (disambiguation). (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 05:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Afro- → Africa (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Afro (disambiguation), which seems much more helpful. An anonymous username, not my real name 01:11, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Afro (disambiguation) per nom. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 07:22, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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Furniture fitting
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 30%23Furniture fitting

Biblical literature
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 05:52, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Biblical literature → Biblical canon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Biblical Literature → Biblical canon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention at the target, and I have no idea what this is trying to refer to. Therefore, I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 09:41, 1 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  13:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Regards, SONIC 678 17:04, 15 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ <b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b> ( talk ) 00:25, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate according to this . (Old Testament, New Testament, Intertestamental works, and New Testament Apocrypha. Carpimaps (talk) 12:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That makes sense, as the Society of Biblical Literature exists for "academic study of the Bible and related ancient literature". – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:12, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not disambiguation, that's explaining what the term means, which seems consistent with "A biblical canon is a set of texts which a particular Jewish or Christian religious community regards as part of the Bible." Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:26, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The current situation is satisfactory. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:26, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The biblical canon is never refered to as "biblical literature". Veverve (talk) 19:51, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Shhhnotsoloud. The terms appear to be synonymous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:58, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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Bible and Tanach
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 05:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Bible and Tanach → Biblical canon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Bible and Tanakh → Biblical canon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:XY, so I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 09:39, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  13:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, because both the Bible and the Tanakh are discussed there as biblical canons. Duckmather (talk) 15:18, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 16:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ <b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b> ( talk ) 00:24, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Bible as to me this seems most likely what someone searching this is looking for (as opposed to some specific "The Bible" which a searcher might expect to find at Bible). Second preference to keep per Duckmather. A7V2 (talk) 04:00, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Makatusi
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 06:59, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Makatusi → Tonga (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I can find absolutely nothing on the internet for the term Makatusi outside of a website that seems to list it as an alternate name for Tonga from compiling wikipedia redirects to a page. The only other use of the word on the internet I can find outside of being in someone's name is in a wikimedia incubator project for the Thao language; however, I cannot find anything stating this is the name of Tonga in Thao. It seems this would be best deleted, unless a connection can be shown. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 00:16, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom unless a connection is found between Makatusi and Tonga. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 07:23, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I was also unable to find a connection. Putting Makatusi into google translate without specifying a language, it says it is Cebuano for "learnable" or "interesting". If it is actually Thao for Tonga, I'd still say we can safely delete given the unlikeliness that a language of 4 native speakers in Taiwan has any connection to Tonga. It's also possible that this word is related to something else on Tonga (disambiguation). But without any connection, delete. A7V2 (talk) 23:38, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - looking at the creator's edits, I think this is a joke redirect relating to Makasini Richter. A7V2 (talk) 23:43, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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Tufua
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 06:58, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Tufua → Randomness (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I can find absolutely nothing for this meaning random. There's no explanation either as to the connection in the edit summary for the creation of the redirect. Delete unless a connection can be found. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 00:07, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete confusing at best. No useful links in Google search as well. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:49, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - looking at the creator's edits, I'd assume this is a joke redirect, presumably relating to Mark Taufua. A7V2 (talk) 23:47, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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