Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 15

July 15
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 15, 2023.

Google Zeitgeist
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 22%23Google Zeitgeist

Òrange Democratic Party (Kenya)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:43, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Òrange Democratic Party (Kenya) → Orange Democratic Movement (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible search term, I can't find any sources in which this is spelled with an Ò. Starts a classic WP:PANDORA's box- we don't redirects like this to every page. Fails WP:RPURPOSE. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 23:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Implausible typo. — Prodraxis {talk • contributions} (she/her) 03:06, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. estar8806 (talk) ★ 13:41, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per above: unlikely and implausible search term. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 10:18, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Ecuador Goat War
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:43, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Ecuador Goat War → Project Isabela (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a widely used alternative name. Not really a suitable redirect. Here's what the creator, said on their talk page about it:  Thus, here I am at rfd. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 23:09, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Searching with Google and Duckduckgo specifically for 'Ecuador "goat war"' pulls up a handful of hits. Only Newsweek and Youtube videos uses "goat war" and Newsweek only in the title. National Geographic's and New York Times' articles on the topic do not call it a war. &#8213; Synpath 19:48, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
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West Topoli, Kupiansk Raion, Kharkiv Oblast
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:43, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * West Topoli, Kupiansk Raion, Kharkiv Oblast → Topoli, Kupiansk Raion (rural town) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Topoli, Kupiansk Raion (rural town) was originally at this title before being moved to its current title by I can find no RS that this is an alternative name. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 22:40, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: While creating the page Dvorichna settlement hromada, I have also found no reliable, or really any, sources referring to this village as "West Topoli", as stated in my edit description for the redirect to the pages current title. @Edward-Woodrow I have no problem with deleting this redirect, as it is far from the common name. Cheers!  Johnson 524  (Talk!) 12:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
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Garlic Shrimp
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Shrimp and prawn as food.  ✗  plicit  23:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Garlic Shrimp → Shrimp (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Garlic shrimp → Shrimp (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Shrimp Parmesan → Shrimp (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Shrimp parmesan → Shrimp (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Shrimp and prawn as food or List of shrimp dishes for obvious reasons. estar8806 (talk) ★ 22:11, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Shrimp and prawn as food as more helpful to the reader (and tag with r from subtopic) Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 22:41, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. GnocchiFan (talk) 09:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Shrimp and prawn as food as the most appropriate target (R from subtopic). InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 10:15, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Atherectomy, coronary
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Atherectomy.  ✗  plicit  23:46, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Atherectomy, coronary → Endarterectomy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a medical expert, so I don't understand why this redirect is going to here instead of Atherectomy. GnocchiFan (talk) 21:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Atherectomy. (I am not an expert in the medical field) List of MeSH codes (E02) and List of MeSH codes (E04) both use the redirect which may be a reason to keep it around and it gets a handful of clicks a year suggesting it can be helpful. Though Atherectomy only has a passing mention of the procedure being used in coronary blood vessels so the reader won't really be helped. Endarterectomy seems to be a distinct procedure (much more invasive) and the MeSH lists have distinct entries for Endarterectomy and Endarterectomy, carotid. I think it is safe to assume that the current target is not correct. &#8213; Synpath 00:46, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
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Vatnik
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 22%23Vatnik

Bittersweet (color)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 22%23Bittersweet (color)

Constitutional democracy
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 25%23Constitutional democracy

Nicolas Cantu
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 * The result of the discussion was move draft over redirect  . I see some appetite for doing so and I am convinced by IP2001's arguments that he is notable and appreciate their effort in getting the draft up to snuff. Of course, if anyone disagrees feel free to take the article to AfD. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 22:58, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Nicolas Cantu → List of The Amazing World of Gumball characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Too many potential roles to say that any one of them is defining including the current target that describes a character he portrays but has no information about the actor. Better to delete this and let people work on the draft. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:02, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I tagged this with R with history. The content may have been copied from Draft:Nicolas Cantu. Multiple IP editors are interested in making this a standalone article. If any of the content in the history is going to be useful to the draft, move without redirect to draft as Draft:Nicolas Cantu (2), or something. And salt the redirect title. Jay  💬 05:22, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Multiple IP editors don't want to follow the draft article process. I don't think the history of this redirect has any value but a history merge could be made with Draft:Nicolas Cantu and the redirect deleted and protected until the draft is ready to be moved out of draft space. My main issue with this redirect is not having a target with any info about the subject and too many potential targets that just mention the subjects name but nothing else of value. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:10, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree this cannot be a redirect, which is why I suggested the move without redirect, which will remove the redirect from this title. And salting it will force them to work in draftspace. I haven't gone through the timelines of the two histories to see if this is a histmerge candidate. Jay  💬 19:11, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I think a history merge would work. Last edit on draft article was July 6, 2023, most recent edits to redirect started July 14, 2023. There is one substantive edit to the redirect on Nov 10, 2022. Would take some cleanup afterwords to reflect submission and draft status of remaining draft article. History merge move without redirect would delete the redirect that could then be protected against re-creation until draft is accepted. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:57, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Histmerge to draft per above and delete and salt. Jay  💬 16:40, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Yesterday, I've worked on the Draft:Nicolas Cantu. He has credits for The Amazing World of Gumball (as the title character; got him an Annie Award nom), The Walking Dead: World Beyond (main cast; noticed by Mashable), DreamWorks Dragons: Rescue Riders (main human cast), and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem (as a title character). Plus he was in the cast of Spielberg's The Fabelmans (noticed by San Antonio Express-News). That is quite prolific for a 19-year-old. Maybe not WP:TOOSOON for the draft to be transferred to article space? --2001:1C06:19CA:D600:8D08:7F2D:308A:2C4 (talk) 13:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * And he is in Skull Island (main cast; noticed by Nerdist). --2001:1C06:19CA:D600:8D08:7F2D:308A:2C4 (talk) 13:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, with no objection to a history merge (although I don't see the point myself) as an WP:XY candidate with mulitple possible targets, none of which have enough substance to warrant a redirect. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:17, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If deleted should still be protected against creation by IPs at least. Let the draft process move the draft article to the location when it is ready. This is one dynamic IP who will move the draft to this location out of process if able to. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:56, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * May I suggest making "this" in "This is one dynamic IP" more specific. I feel addressed, because I'm (2001:1C06:19CA:D600:*) the a) only IP editor who contributed to this redirect discussion, b) last person to edit the Draft extensively. I certainly would not ignore the AfC process. In fact, I another IP editors' move from Draft to Main space. By the way, my question above has been ignored, and I can only infer from you and Pppery's statements above ("none of which have enough substance" and "when it is ready") that sufficient notability still has not been established. --2001:1C06:19CA:D600:4F45:2683:FC38:ABAE (talk) 06:12, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * IP range starts with 87. and geolocates to Italy. Notable in the edit history creating an article at the redirect 4 times since mid July. When you think that the article meets at least WP:GNG, use the draft submit process to get it evaluated for a move to article space. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:39, 8 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Call me crazy, but didn't Cantu have a full page at one point? I went to this page recently and found only the redirect. Maybe I'm crazy, but Cantu definitely SHOULD have a full page, and as such, I'd vote to delete the redirect. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:33, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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Green robot
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 25%23Green robot

City (Georgia)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 8%23City (Georgia)

Lord of Montfort
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 13:36, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Lord of Montfort → Montfort (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Confusing redirect that redirects a hereditary title to a disambiguation page  The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 10:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Did you look at the page in question? It isn't confusing at all. There's a title. It's been used in multiple contexts that require multiple pages. It should exist and it should point exactly where it is, unless you feel like breaking off three or four of the links on the dab for no particularly helpful reason. — Llywelyn II   12:09, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have checked the links. And have seen that the hereditary title is now redirecting to a disambiguation page and not to an actual place. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 12:24, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * As it should in this situation... so did you actually look at the page in question or is this just a misapplication of a bot somewhere? Reprogram it. — Llywelyn II   15:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The links should stay red links when they were that before, not links to a disambiguation page. 99.99 percent chance that somebody will try to repair those incorrect links. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 16:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per LlywelynII as R from ambiguous term.  J947  † edits 11:24, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per above: R from ambiguous term. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 10:13, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Bhawanipur,Naugachia
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination.  Jay  💬 13:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Bhawanipur,Naugachia">Bhawanipur,Naugachia → Bhawanipur, Bihar (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This page was originally a microstub (Special:Permalink/308473291) about a village in Bhagalpur district (in Bihar) when it was moved to Bhawanipur, Bihar. Few months later it was turned into an article about a village of the same name in East Champaran district (also in Bihar), Special:Diff/342880882/355755682. Currently, Wikipedia does not have an article or list describing the village in Bhagalpur. So, the redirect must be deleted. Whether or not a history split is required in parent article, is to be determined independently. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 10:21, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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Vabanipu
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:45, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Vabanipu → Bhabanipur (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Vabanipu" has no affinity to "Bhabanipur". In IAST, the place name is "Bhavānīpur", which is usually transliterated as "Bhawanipur". In eastern languages (Bengali & Assamese), "v" does not exist, and is replaced by "b", giving rise to "Bhabanipur". "Bhowanipore" is a corrupted form of the word, given by the British colonists. "Vabanipu" is not equivalent to this term by any means. Further, it is found nowhere on Wikipedia. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 10:10, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Agree that the two are not equivalent (Vabanipu is a village in Jagannathpur Upazila, Bangladesh). However not appearing in Wikipedia is not a reason for deletion because a redirect provides a way for a person who has seen a mention outside Wikipedia to find information here. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 12:05, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It is more unhelpful than not finding any search results on Wikipedia because the village in Bangladesh is not even mentioned in the dab page. A reader will find themself lost when they come to the dab page and find nothing of relevance. Moreover, the disambiguation page is construed to the term "Bhavānīpur", not other unrelated terms. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 13:48, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom: no relation to target, unhelpful to reader. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 16:37, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, not only on Wikipedia, an external search also brings up nothing. Probably the 'r' is missing, and there is a Vabanipur. Jay  💬 14:12, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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Mellon collection
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  .  Jay  💬 06:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Mellon collection → Paul Mellon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Currently redirects to Paul Mellon, but his father Andrew Mellon also had a substantial art collection. I propose disambiguation. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: For a discussion on primary topic. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 07:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom unless we have evidence that shows one of the collections as the primary topic. If there's a primary topic then I'm fine with a hatnote to the other article. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:10, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Melon hoarding. (actually disambiguate per nom) Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 15:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment I have drafted a DAB page. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:03, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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The Price (2016 film)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . The Price (upcoming film) was not tagged, so it must be nominated separately.  ✗  plicit  05:30, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="The Price (2016 film)">The Price (2016 film) → The Price (unreleased film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No film in 2016 with this title, so delete per WP:R to minimize confusion. The article moved from here → The Price (2017 film) → The Price (upcoming film) → The Price (unreleased film) where it appears to have gone into development hell, and I just redirected as an WP:ATD-R per a deprod recommendation on my talk page. This seems to be the only one that could mislead, though. -2pou (talk) 04:45, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. Support deletion of this redirect; but also The Price (upcoming film) for that matter; the only accurate and therefore useful link is The Price (unreleased film), which should be kept, obviously.- MY, OH MY! (mushy yank)  15:01, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as misleading. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:30, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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