Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 20

June 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 20, 2023.

Dispersal order
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 29%23Dispersal order

Template feature
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Template.  Jay  💬 09:31, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Template feature → MediaWiki (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Highly ambiguous. Mediawiki is not the only thing in existence to use templates or to have a "templating feature". 192.76.8.70 (talk) 20:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Thoughts on retargeting? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:35, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 04:45, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * A retarget to template the dab page serves the reader best.  J947  † edits 06:19, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note the RfD for Category feature.  J947  † edits 11:22, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget to the template disambiguation page per J947. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 06:36, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per the "Category feature" RFD. I see no reason that the circumstances are particularly different here. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  21:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:MINIMUMDEATHS
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to How ITN works (and how it doesn't).  Jay  💬 09:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


 * MINIMUMDEATHS → User:Fakescientist8000/Minimum deaths (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect should not target to a single person's view on the matter, regardless of where they stand. See also Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2018_July_9 BangJan1999 23:16, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this essay was moved to project space prematurely. Liz Read! Talk! 03:06, 21 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete and WP:SALT - was formerly deleted in 2018 and deleted for the same reason this shall be too - the fact that its redlinked is its purpose on ITN. - Knightoftheswords281  (Talk · Contribs) 03:57, 21 June 2023 (UTC)


 *  Keep  It's clearly marked as an essay. People cite shortcuts all the time that aren't policies and guidelines. Instead of it being the elephant in the room, expand the essay to say what it is and isn't. There's plenty of data at another essay, Educate. WP:CENSOR is not the solution.—Bagumba (talk) 06:20, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Despite what I said on ITN/C, I agree with . Let's hold off for a bit. I think the essay has a lot of potential and that the use of the redirect might not be all that problematic if the essay is in project-space. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper - (talk)  12:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Liz, is there a context I'm missing behind the deletion of Minimum deaths? --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 20:12, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * AFAICS, WP:R2 applies to redirects from mainspace, but that was from the Wikipedia namespace.—Bagumba (talk) 08:40, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Could we retarget to How ITN works (and how it doesn't) possibly? Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  21:56, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd be OK with that. As it is, the current target User:Fakescientist8000/Minimum deaths already references it:  —Bagumba (talk) 08:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll officially support that retargeting, then. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  21:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Bagumba and Skarmory. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper - (talk)  17:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to How ITN works (and how it doesn't), which has the most comprehensive information on the topic. Otherwise, keep, as I see no reason to WP:CENSOR.—Bagumba (talk) 05:41, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
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Talent scouting for Hollywood
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Talent scouting for Hollywood → Talent agent (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target subject is not exclusive to Hollywood. The redirect creates that assumption, which is false and thus misleading. Steel1943 (talk) 18:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as the article does not use the term "scout" and implies the article is about people who find actors to be in films in Hollywood (akin to talent scout in sports) rather than about people who find films in Hollywood for actors to be in. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom: misleading... WP:ASTONISH. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 21:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment The title creates no such expectation. What? Invasive Spices (talk) 21:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:REDYES/WP:RFD. It seems as though there is no article about talent scouting for the film/television industry at all, let alone Hollywood. The current target is actually about agents (not restricted to hollywood or even the entertainment industry). There are articles about talent scouts in sport (Scout (sport)) and music (Artists and repertoire) so I don't see why there couldn't be one for acting. A7V2 (talk) 01:33, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom but without prejudice on the creation of a future article per A7V2 -- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:18, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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British Colombian
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 * The result of the discussion was refine to Colombians  . A hatnote will point to British Columbian. (non-admin closure)  Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  21:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * British Colombian → Colombians (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to British Columbia for consistency with British Colombia/British Columbian. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 18:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: Redirect was created by a sock, see SPI. Not G5 eligible as the page was created a day before master's block. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 18:21, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: British Colombians targets Colombians, the current target of the nominated redirect ... but was also created by the same editor who created the nominated redirect. Steel1943  (talk) 19:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Refine to Colombians. We should prioritise information on correct uses over information on incorrect uses. is fine as there's no such thing actually named so, but for  there are Colombians who are British as well as British Colmbians.  J947  † edits 21:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Refine per J947. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:38, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Refine per J947 -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:45, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment if this is kept at Colombians, that will need a hatnote for British Columbian -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 03:14, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:SME
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Expert editors. The only arguments for keeping were objectively refuted.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 19:05, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


 * SME → Wikipedia:Super Mario effect (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

All incoming links seem to mean this to refer to WP:Subject-matter expert, i.e. WP:Expert editors, rather than the current target, with this confusion actually being discussed here and here. Seems like this should be retargeted to Expert editors and the corresponding expansion of the initialism redirected to the same page. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:16, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:EX doesn't even include the words "subject matter expert" and no, all incoming links are not people confusing the meaning of the essay.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  18:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * In what incoming link of WP:SME does the user actually mean to refer to WP:Super Mario effect? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdewman6 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Go look? It's not really my job to disabuse you in detail of the assumtions you made when filing the request.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  19:06, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I did look before making this nomination, and identified all incoming links as attempting to refer to "subject-matter expert" rather than the Mario essay. But if you disagree with that assessment, please indicate where you disagree. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * So...You didn't identify people rightly pointing to the place they were trying to point to?  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  19:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What? I mean that nobody linking WP:SME intended to refer to WP:Super Mario effect, which implies that it is a bad shortcut for that essay. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You're really not picking up what I'm laying down. I'm very strongly implying that if yu go back and look at the incoming links, your asssertion is incorrect.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  19:44, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You're right, I'm not, because apparently we are seeing things completely differently. Can you identify one incoming link that intended to point to Super Mario effect? What about the two cases I linked in the nomination? Mdewman6 (talk) 19:47, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There are currently the following incoming links to WP:SME, excluding those generated by Rfd notice, this discussion itself, and shortcut tables that include every single 3-letter shortcut:
 * Super Mario effect in the shortcut table.
 * Talk:Rosemarie Koczy as The most reliable self-published works are by subject-matter experts (nowiki'd)
 * Talk:Land/Talk:Land/GA1 as, in context of a site being a reliable source, No consensus from this 2020 RSN discussion. The author might arguably be a WP:SME.
 * Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 330 as I could see the value in citing a letter if it's written by an WP:SME and says something significant that is not in any other RS.
 * Articles for deletion/Jeff Campbell (footballer)/Articles for deletion/Log/2022 April 21 as Ultimate NZ Soccer is a self published source; I have not been able to identify the author, as their are images of him but no name, suggesting that WP:SME is not met.
 * Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1098, pointed out in the nomination.
 * Articles for deletion/Jordon Hall/Articles for deletion/Log/2022 June 8, as [B]ecause the authors are not WP:SME, the articles do not count towards notability.
 * Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 378 as I'm not particularly familiar with whether Mallory Moore is a WP:SME SME for this sort of stuff, also pointed out in the nomination.
 * Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 398 as I see nothing particualar about the freelance writer that would indicate that they are an WP:SME, so I see no reasonable reason to see this as reliable except for the author's opinion.
 * Out of these, only Super Mario effect's link as a shortcut unambiguously refers to the Super Mario Effect, and Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1098 is a user getting confused at the definition of SME after it was used to mean "Subject-matter expert". The rest all point towards the clause of WP:SPS that a self-published source is only considered reliable if it's written by a subject-matter expert. could you please provide examples of people using WP:SME as pointing towards Super Mario effect? Randi🦋Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 10:28, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * They won't, because there aren't any, and apparently they are bored. Users should not accuse other users of being wrong when the evidence indicates otherwise- totally contrary to WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. Clearly they were the ones being presumptuous. Sad that their response caused you to spell it out for them, when the expectation at Rfd is that when backlinks are discussed, any user can use the "links" link at the top of the Rfd to investigate for themselves. These sorts of jumping to conclusions and ignorance of evidence and false assertions wastes other user's time. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:58, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey, it's not my fault that this was mixed up with a botched MfD. And it's a little weird that you're watching my user page. I'm simply not dwelling here. I don't care. I forgot I even wrote this essay.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  19:08, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a good essay. And I apologize for the confusion caused by using Twinkle with the redirect target open instead of the redirect itself- a rookie mistake. But yeah, doesn't change the fact this should not be a shortcut for the essay, or that calling me wrong when I wasn't, and not responding when your doubling down on your false assertion was challenged, was inappropriate and unhelpful. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:36, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There's not any obligation for me to respond to anything. I'm not an admin on this project. Also I travel a lot, more than I'd prefer. Delete, retarget, what-have-you.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  19:53, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep - Overly presumptuous delete rationale. No confusion is being caused by this. Cheers, ⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper - (talk)  19:33, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * As one example, a user piping this redirect by writing Subject-matter experts at Talk:Rosemarie_Koczy is pretty indicative of confusion regarding where this shortcut targets. Any user following the link from that discussion will be astonished. As another example, a user writing The author might arguably be a WP:SME at Talk:Land/GA1 clearly did not mean the author is a "Super mario effect" or someone in reference to it. And to be clear, I am not advocating deletion, but retargeting to the target users are actually seeking with this abbreviation. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * If there is just slight confusion, then why not amend the distinguish template to say something like "Not to be confused with Wikipedia:Mushroom effect, Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Nintendo, or Wikipedia:EXPERT which can refer to Subject-matter expert(s)" instead of changing the redirect? --Super Goku V (talk) 07:34, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * But here we have complete confusion, with no evidence anyone is using the shortcut correctly, per the above (thanks Randi Moth). It's clearly not a good shortcut for the current target. If there were just slight confusion, then updating the hatnote would be sufficient, but that is far from what we have here. Mdewman6 (talk) 15:01, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Then it seems the reversal of my comment is what is needed instead.  Sorry for the trouble.  --Super Goku V (talk) 05:26, 22 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget I find the evidence presented above to be much more convincing than claimes of presumptuousness. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:40, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. Also create the WP:Subject-matter expert redirect per nom, so it is clear to someone why WP:SME is a shortcut to the proposed target. Jay  💬 09:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
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List of United Progressive Alliance candidates in the Next Indian general election
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion .  ✗  plicit  23:29, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * List of United Progressive Alliance candidates in the Next Indian general election → List of Indian National Congress candidates in Next Lok Sabha election (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Next general election seems like it would cause problems if there wasn't someone to update it for every election unless there was a bot or something to automate this.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 16:38, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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Redirects from apps to Google Play
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Remove China Apps → Google Play (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Mitron (application)">Mitron (application) → Google Play (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Two redirects from applications that were hosted on Google Play. They have always been redirects, with no article in the history. Neither are they mentioned in the article right now nor have they been when the redirects were made. Delete as not helpful to the reader. Randi🦋Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 15:40, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:44, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. 〜 Askarion   ✉  13:07, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom  Devoke  water  17:50, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. A7V2 (talk) 01:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
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