Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 2

March 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 2, 2023.

Primary State Highway 23 (Washington)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . I find the deletion arguments more persusasive in that the highway as named, did not exist. While it's possible some confusion did happen in the past, that was nearly 100 years ago and less persuasive that it merits a redirect. Legoktm (talk) 03:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Primary State Highway 23 (Washington) → Primary State Highway 6 (Washington) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Meant to be a redirect for "State Road 23"; no Primary State Highway was numbered 23 (per WSDOT's 1965 log). Should be deleted per WP:RDEL.  Sounder Bruce  03:01, 12 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete as nonexistent. BhamBoi (talk) 08:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above: nonexistent. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 19:29, 12 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: Primary State Highway 6 was numbered as State Route 23 until 1926. While that is 9 years before the introduction of the Primary/Secondary State Route designations, this seems to be a plausible enough redirect to me as the shift in numbering can take a while to get adopted to by everyone so it's possible there was overlap of using the old numbering system and yet the new naming system in unofficial usage. TartarTorte 13:33, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 06:03, 22 February 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Regards, SONIC 678 23:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-existent. The gap in time precludes confusion between numbering in one system and numbering in another.  Imzadi 1979  →   10:12, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per TartarTorte as a plausible search term. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:27, 4 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and others as a non-existent highway and incorrect term, which with the disambiguator may imply it is a highway number that actually exists. We already have the redirect State Road 23 (Washington) for those interested in the old numbering. Jay  💬 06:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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Greek ethnographers
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Salvio giuliano 22:05, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Greek ethnographers → List of Graeco-Roman geographers (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Greek ethnography → List of Graeco-Roman geographers (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Roman ethnography → List of Graeco-Roman geographers (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Greek ethnographers → List of Graeco-Roman geographers (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Should be deleted. Geography has nothing to do with ethnography, they're two different disciplines. Per WP:RFD #2 (confusing) and #5 (makes no sense). Mikeblas (talk) 21:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. WP:RFD may well apply also. A7V2 (talk) 23:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all per the above and to encourage article creation. Glades12 (talk) 06:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that this bunch came from an RfD about Greco-Roman ethnography. -- Mikeblas (talk) 16:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all per Glades12. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:30, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
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Pendar
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 21%23Pendar

Saghani
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 * The result of the discussion was wrong forum  (non-admin closure) . 176.88.80.215 (talk) 20:01, 3 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Saghani → al-Saghani (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

At present the article's name is al-Saghani, but the correct version is Saghani. Saghani currently redirects to al-Saghani—it should be the other way round! Amitchell125 (talk) 16:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * it seems as though you are looking for requested move rather than RfD? A7V2 (talk) 23:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Possibly, but I cannot move the article myself because of the redirect. Amitchell125 (talk) 07:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Either I or anyone will close as a wrong forum. 176.88.80.215 (talk) 19:54, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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Drug epidemic
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Salvio giuliano 16:35, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Drug epidemic → Crack epidemic in the United States (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect, originally created in 2009, directs to a specific drug epidemic in the United States. The crack epidemic of the 1980s and 1990s fails WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this redirect.  Crusader 1096  (message) 15:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This seems like a notable topic, and I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be a suitable overview type article for this. I think delete per WP:RFD/WP:REDYES, but disambiguation is an option, with potential articles including Crack epidemic in the United States, Opioid epidemic in the United States, Opioid epidemic, Drug addiction in Pakistan, Drug crisis in Scotland, Drug overdose and Substance abuse. A7V2 (talk) 00:34, 3 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is a pretty clear case of WP:REDYES; a page on the general concept of a drug epidemic is warranted. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 02:04, 3 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete to encourage the creation of a standalone article. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:34, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:21, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
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SNIN
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Salvio giuliano 16:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * SNIN → Super Nintendo Entertainment System (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I’m unsure what this term is. This term is not mentioned in the target article and Google doesn’t tell me anything related to the SNES. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 15:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)


 * IIRC this abbreviation was used in fr:Joypad (magazine) or fr:Consoles +. Apokrif (talk) 20:37, 2 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete while I believe this was meant to be an abbreviation for Super NIN tendo I have never seen anyone write the name of the system like that or pronounce it that way either.--70.24.249.205 (talk) 03:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Building off of the information provided by User:Apokrif, I was able to find the connection between the two. SNIN (or SNin in this example) is a French-term for the SNES.  In fact the French article fr:Super Nintendo uses the same redirect: SNIN.  I think there might still be a question of if it is in use enough to justify the redirect, but there is a connection.  --Super Goku V (talk) 23:04, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If that’s the case, then this should probably be deleted per WP:FORRED. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 23:11, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that unless English language sources have covered this French abbreviation we don’t need it here.--70.24.249.205 (talk) 13:34, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
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Super Famicom Box
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 12%23Super Famicom Box

SolidGoldMagikarp
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 10%23SolidGoldMagikarp

Aruvithura
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nominator  . An alternative verified inclusion has been implemented. (non-admin closure)  Jalen Folf   (talk)  06:01, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Aruvithura → Erattupetta (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No evidence of such a location existing, let alone near the target. Jalen Folf  (talk)  09:38, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - The nom has been recently involved in an edit war at the current target about the inclusion of mention of Aruvithura. Pinging, the other user involved in this dispute. It does seem as though this is a locality located within Erattupetta. For example see the address (and indeed name) of a local university , and the address of a local church / is given as being in Aruvithura. It seems as though mention is justified at the current target, and it certainly seems that this is at the very least an informal name for a part of Erattupetta, but in any case I think the fate of this redirect would depend on whether or not mention can be stably added to the article. A7V2 (talk) 10:48, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominator comment: User pinged above by A7V2 has now resorted to vandalism on the RfD template in an effort to get their way on their unsourced efforts. Jalen Folf   (talk)  05:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
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List of Greek ships
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 * The result of the discussion was create a list  .  Jay  💬 14:09, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


 * List of Greek ships → Category:Ships of Greece (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Enwiki does not have a list of Greek ships, and this redirect to a Category is misleading because a category is a list of Wikipedia articles about some Greek ships, not a complete (or anywhere near complete) list of Greek ships Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Procedural relist to clear an old RfD page. Consensus is clear, but the proposal requires creation of a draft at the redirect page. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 05:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * A7V2 (talk) 00:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Turn into a list of lists, there is at least List of Greece-flagged cargo ships and List of active Hellenic Navy ships Drapetomanic (talk) 17:30, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Expand into an actual list per Drapetomanic's suggestions. Also add List of current Greek frigates to this new list. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:44, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree to expand to a list of lists. Looking through the category/subcategories there is definitely potential here. Also, in addition to the above suggestions I would add List of decommissioned ships of the Hellenic Navy, and (since someone searching this isn't necessarily looking for a list of specific ships but perhaps a list of types of ships) Hellenistic-era warships. ANEK Lines and Blue Star Ferries are also possibilities to add. A7V2 (talk) 03:42, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * @LaundryPizza03 I made a draft here: Draft:Lists of Greek ships. Carpimaps (talk) 06:08, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I support the proposed draft. A7V2 (talk) 05:36, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I support this draft - thanks. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:01, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
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Unpaved road
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate in the interim  . I don't really think there is a consensus here, except no one has defended the current target. Disambiguation appears to have the least opposition, but my read of the discussion is that a merge proposal or even writing an article may be a better long-term conclusion, but it's hard to have that discussion at RfD. People interested in this subject should continue discussion on the talk page. Legoktm (talk) 04:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Unpaved road → Dirt road (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per the target article, a dirt road is not the only kind of unpaved road. Unpaved roads can be made of gravel, for instance. I lean toward retargeting to road surface, but I also think restoring Special:Permalink/44277639 is something to consider, especially if someone's willing to spruce it up a bit, either as a set index article or by moving some of the off-topic content currently at Dirt road. -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 06:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:27, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambig It can also be a dab page linking to gravel road and dirt road, rather than going back to a short stub article. AlphaBeta135  talk 02:05, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Disambig per AlphaBeta. I'm sure there's also a sand road (Which probably doesn't have an article here), and "unpaved road" can also simply mean a road that hasn't been paved yet. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 14:56, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambig per AlphaBeta. SilkTorkAway (talk) 20:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC) See more detailed Comment below. SilkTork (talk) 03:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Dabify per above. There seems to be no primary target between the two articles given by AlphaBeta. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:45, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It isn't ambiguous, the two articles mentioned are types of unpaved road. This should probably redirect to Road surface, but there is currently no mention of dirt roads there. Peter James (talk) 14:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate per above (about gravel roads). That's also an unpaved road. So do disambiguate to dirt or gravel:


 * Unpaved roads may refer to:
 * Dirt roads
 * Gravel roads
 * (add more if there's more types of unpaved roads, maybe composite...)
 * WPchanger2011 (talk) 21:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Suggestion: Consider Ice road, Forest track, Caliche. Maybe also something about Roman roads, snowmobiles or cobblestones. Silk Road? But now I am getting silly. Elinruby (talk) 01:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Gallery road, Plank road, Corduroy road. It would also give Salt road, Agricultural road, Drover's road and draille a purpose in life...Elinruby (talk) 02:09, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment. Realistically I think that unpaved would only apply to dirt or gravel roads. Perhaps, though, we are looking at this the wrong way. Perhaps Dirt road and Gravel road should be merged into Unimproved road (which currently redirects to Dirt road). Dirt road and gravel road are by and large the same thing - they are unpaved or unimproved roads. Other roads, such as plank, corduroy, etc, are paved roads. Paved road (which currently redirects to Road surface) may be more helpfully redirected to Pavement (architecture).
 * Merge Dirt road and Gravel road into Unimproved road
 * Redirect Unpaved road to Unimproved road
 * Redirect Paved road to Pavement (architecture) Actually, I think it would make more sense for Pavement (architecture) to be merged into Paved road, which would become an article instead of a redirect. We'd then have an article on Unimproved roads, and an article on Paved roads. SilkTork (talk) 03:49, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd be OK with doing the work for the merging. SilkTork (talk) 17:19, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Still no consensus after the previous relist… Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Procedural relist to clear an old RfD log page. No new comments since previous relist. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 05:27, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Restore. I don't think that dirt road and gravel road should be merged into unimproved road (there are a variety of studies on each of them that would be more than enough to write full-length articles on each, separately) and I oppose that merge. But, having an article on unpaved roads (or a list of types of unpaved roads) seems warranted. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)"> Red-tailed hawk (nest) 07:25, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Agree with Peter James that Road surface could have been a good target, but it has no mention of unpaved road, and the reader will have to deduce what it means. On the merge of dirt road and gravel road, the merge tags can be added, and it can go through a merge discussion. We do have a kind of list at Types of road which can be enhanced, have a classification of paved and unpaved there, and then retarget unpaved road. Jay  💬 07:48, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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Chuma-Udeh Ngozi Therese (Commissioner)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:22, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Chuma-Udeh Ngozi Therese (Commissioner)">Chuma-Udeh Ngozi Therese (Commissioner) → Chuma-Udeh Ngozi Therese (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Improper, unneeded disambiguation ~ <b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b> ( talk ) 02:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - She is a commissioner and so it seems a plausible enough redirect from unnecessary disambiguation. A7V2 (talk) 10:27, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: It's an unnecessary disambiguation but it's not an inappropriate one. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep because it is a plausible R from unnecessary disambiguation. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 18:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
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Jewishness
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Jewish identity. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:21, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Jewishness → Jewish peoplehood (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Jewish-ness → Who is a Jew? (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These could also plausibly target Who is a Jew?, Jewish identity, or Jewish peoplehood. None appear to be the clear WP:PTOPIC here, but they should be consistent. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 01:44, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Jewish identity: I think it's the most appropriate target. The first sentence of the article is Jewish identity is the objective or subjective state of perceiving oneself as a Jew and as relating to being Jewish. The definition I found for Jewishness is the quality of being Jewish or of having characteristics regarded as typically Jewish. Hey man im josh (talk) 05:02, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Jewish identity per Hey man im josh. A hatnote can be added for the other pages. A7V2 (talk) 05:38, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
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