Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 23

March 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 23, 2023.

Europe route Ennn
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep (nomination withdrawn)  . (non-admin closure) Lizthegrey (talk) 16:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Europe route E134 → European route E134 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Created as part of gaming the system by user banned for WP:NOTHERE WP:POINT trolling on Brianna Wu. As per WP:DENY, should undo all page/redirect creations made by this person intended to inflate edit count and bump them past 500 edits for ECP. See Special:Contributions/Onodonomono Lizthegrey (talk) 23:48, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a perfectly good and likely search term for the target. The way to handle users acting in bad faith is to sanction the user, not to disadvantage readers who have no connection with or even knowledge of the entirely unrelated disruption. While it is permitted to delete pages created by banned users, this is not required - especially when doing so would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. Thryduulf (talk) 02:00, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep both "Europe route Exxx" and "European road Exxx" variations – While the editor themself most likely acted in bad faith, these redirects are still useful, and they were made prior to the block. Also note that per WP:DENY:


 * While the quote is about the pages about vandalism, the same can apply here: the listing of redirects here has done more for recognition than their quiet existence would have. Randi Moth (talk) 13:34, 24 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. I don't see any policy-based reasons to delete this (This doesn't appear to be an alleged block-evading sock), and the redirect seems fairly ordinary itself. While their vandalism should be removed, I see no need to remove this. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 23:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
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Rooftop swimming pool
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 07:39, 31 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Rooftop swimming pool → Swimming pool (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Roof top swimming pool → Swimming pool (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Rooftop pool → Swimming pool (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Roof top pool → Swimming pool (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It's a bit of a WP:SURPRISE that this topic is not identified or defined at the target. The only place in the article where it is mentioned is in a file caption for an image displayed in Swimming pool, and that is all. This subject seems notable enough where it should either have a section dedicated to it in the target article, or be a standalone article/subject in itself. In other words, delete these per WP:REDLINK. Steel1943 (talk) 22:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:REDLINK per nom. Sensible approach. The target has no information on rooftop pools, although it lists many other types of pool. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * To expand: a rooftop pool is not just a pool that is put on top of a roof. It's an engineering feat to hold that much water at elevation, and I'm sure there's enough information out there about their development and overcoming the structural challenges that at least a subsection could be written. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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Beach entry
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 10:04, 31 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Beach entry → Swimming pool (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pretty sure this concept isn't exclusive to pools. Maybe even ... the entry to an actual beach? Steel1943 (talk) 22:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - I agree with nom's points, but in my experience living on an island surrounded by beaches the terms are typically "beach access", or just "shore", while "beach entry" is a specific type of pool according to the article. Hatnotes could work, though I'm not sure which direction is appropriate. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. 100% of the first six pages (at least) of google results for "beach entry" -wikipedia are for pools, changing the search term to "beach entry" -pool -wikipedia finds (on the first three pages) entry prices and or entry tickets for beaches (both specific beaches and the general concept of charging for entry to a beach), Blackpool Pleasure Beach and car parks named after beaches; "life's a beach" entry mats (doormat), a design of entry door named "Laguna Beach", and access points to various specific beaches. Almost all of these are not encyclopaedic and/or so ambiguous as to be useless search terms. The concept of private access to beaches is encyclopaedic, and is covered at Beach but at most this should be a hatnote from the article about the swimming pool type (the overwhelming primary topic) - and even then I'm not completely convinced of its utility (it's certainly not the search term I would use). Thryduulf (talk) 02:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per the above, unless there are specific article examples showing ambiguity. Beach by itself, is not an ambiguous topic. Jay  💬 07:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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Start Publishing
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 17:11, 30 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Start Publishing → Simon & Schuster (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect was blanked by with the edit summary "Start is a distribution client, not a subsidiary". That does make sense. Moreover, Start Publishing is only mentioned very briefly, and any reader looking for information on Start Publishing will be disappointed if redirected to Simon & Schuster. Pichpich (talk) 18:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:18, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Errr. They'll be more disappointed if they are faced with a red link, I think. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep - the business arrangement doesn't matter. We have very little information on Start Publishing on Wikipedia, but what little there is is located at this target. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a reasonable place to point to, given that the coverage is at that page (even if it is relatively light in nature). — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 23:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
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Zero-entry
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 31%23Zero-entry

Social Rockstar
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Salvio giuliano 07:47, 1 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Social Rockstar → Rock Star (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

An old redirect from a blanked extremely short-lived article in 2009. This redirect is no longer required or helpful, if it ever was. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Internet celebrity: It seems that this is intending to refer to Internet celebrities, but also, there doesn't seem to be a ton of term usage and deletion would be fine as well. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 12:44, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Searches point mostly to Rockstar Games Social Club but it is not a term used there to refer to its members. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete as a neologism. The short-lived pre-BLAR content also cannot be used, it was more of an essay. Jay  💬 06:44, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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Aiplane
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 05:45, 31 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Aiplane → Airplane (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely misspelling. In addition, there is a possibility with the increasingly popularity of the subject of Artificial intelligence (AI), someone could be searching this spelling for planes controlled by AI. Steel1943 (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Support HopsonRoad (talk) 23:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment typos by omission are a very common form of typo. However, for this typo, I agree delete since it engenders confusion with artificial intelligence -- 65.92.244.249 (talk) 23:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support The case for the redirect from misspelling aiplane is no greater than for redirects from airlane, airpane, airplne, airplae etc. <i style="color: green;">Dolphin</i> ( t ) 06:17, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
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Yungur language
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 31%23Yungur language

2022–23 Schleswig-Holstein-Liga
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 2%232022–23 Schleswig-Holstein-Liga

All of the Girls
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 17:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)


 * All of the Girls → Lover (album) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Technically this is supposed to redirect to "All of the Girls You Loved Before", which doesn't make sense because "All of the Girls" redirect is misleading as a title. I suggest deleting this redirect. Ippantekina (talk) 10:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I created "All of the Girls" initially because the song's title when it was first leaked, but after reading your arguments, I agree with the redirect's deletion. Gained (talk) 11:05, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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Tards
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 31%23Tards

Redirects from stars in Libra
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of stars in Libra. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:04, 30 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Eta Librae → Libra (constellation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Iota2 Librae → Libra (constellation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Nu Librae → Libra (constellation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Omicron Librae → Libra (constellation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Xi1 Librae → Libra (constellation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Xi2 Librae → Libra (constellation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Six Bayer stars that redirect to the main constellation page instead of List of stars in Libra (four more exist as redirects to the set index Zeta Librae). No attempt has been made to determine if any of these meet WP:NASTRO or WP:GNG; if they do, the recommended solution is to delete per WP:REDLINK. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 08:26, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget all to List of stars in Libra where they are all mentioned. Just a note that I am the creator of Eta Librae. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 16:57, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget as proposed. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:34, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above.  141 Pr  {{{sup|contribs}}/Best page} 16:50, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
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Beaners
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Beaner. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Beaners → Biggby Coffee (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Suggest retargeting to Beaner, like most plurals. The former name of the coffee chain was Beaner's Coffee with the apostrophe on the possessive. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:32, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 15:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:35, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 11:08, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support or at least point to the DAB per WP:PLURALPT.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:09, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
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