Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 7

March 7
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 7, 2023.

Lord’s Supper
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 23:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Lord’s Supper → Lord's Supper (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The "’" makes this redirect quite unhelpful. I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 23:59, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep per WP:CHEAP: the default apostrophe on my device is actually the "’" apostrophe, and Wikipedia would become less efficient to navigate if all curly apostrophe redirects were deleted. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 07:31, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep That Wikipedia does not use this apostrophe does not make it unhelpful. The redirect would be helpful for cut and paste searches from scanned printed texts or other websites using this apostrophe. Tiny Particle (talk) 22:21, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, WP:CHEAP. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep – curly apostrophe redirects are almost as helpful as hyphen–rather-than–dash redirects. Evidenced by the pageviews.  J947  † edits 03:59, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
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Supper, Lord's
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 15%23Supper, Lord's

Mass, Sacrifice of the
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 15%23Mass, Sacrifice of the

Eucharist, as a Sacrifice
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 15%23Eucharist, as a Sacrifice

Historical Roots of Catholic Eucharistic Theology
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Historical Roots of Catholic Eucharistic Theology → Eucharist in the Catholic Church (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Historical roots of Catholic Eucharistic theology → Eucharist in the Catholic Church (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The capitalisation makes those redirects quite unhelpful. I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 23:05, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete - I agree with the nominator. Searching these exact phrases yields very few results, most of which are Wikipedia and mirror sites copying these redirects, or an older version of Mass of the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church in which they were linked. It seems at one point an article was located at one of them, but a series of moves and a merge changed that some years ago. The relevant history is preserved at History of Catholic eucharistic theology. The two redirects nominated here do not have any history worth preserving; the moves are noted in the history of History of Catholic eucharistic theology. – Scyrme (talk) 23:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * these exact phrases : I avoided including Historical roots of Catholic eucharistic theology due to it having few capital letters. Do you think it should also be included in this RfD? Veverve (talk) 23:37, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure. Superficially it seems more plausible because without the case issues it's a grammatically correct sentence, phrased like a title, and it makes logical sense. However, searching the exact phrase (exactly this case, both variants [H/h]istory) gets 0 hits on Google Scholar and all the Google results are Wikipedia and various mirror sites, so it shares that problem. I could understand if others would rather discuss it separately. – Scyrme (talk) 00:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep - This is more plausible than some other entries today.  Catholic Encyclopedia entries are likely to be recreated by someone else a few years down the line.  These are cheap and keeping them around means they are likely to be directed to the best place. JASpencer (talk) 06:27, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * A recreation of a deleted page after a discussion is a WP:G4 which should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 13:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You didn't create these ones. – Scyrme (talk) 12:16, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep assuming in good faith (no pun intended) that JASpencer is correct that this format is seen within the Catholic Encyclopedia. Tiny Particle (talk) 22:33, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't a Catholic Encyclopedia entry title. – Scyrme (talk) 12:14, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep convoluted but reasonably likely search term, both because of other publications and because of particular phrasing. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:40, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Which publications? As I said earlier, search results are all Wikipedia and mirror sites. This is not one of JASpencer's Catholic Encyclopedia redirects; they mistakenly copy-pasted their response here. I summarised the actual history earlier in my original response arguing to 'delete'. – Scyrme (talk) 12:20, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: Only costs a few cents and plausible enough. Also, unless the capitalization is nonsensical (ie. hiSTOriCal ROOTS OF cathOLIC theologY),  being miscapitalized is no reason to delete. { {ping&#124;ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 23:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, these are redirects from moves to proper capitalization titles. No problem with the capitalized redirect titles per ClydeFranklin. Jay  💬 08:19, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
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As a Sacrifice Eucharist
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Salvio giuliano 20:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)


 * As a Sacrifice Eucharist → Eucharist (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not helpful, weird wording. I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 23:04, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete - I agree, doesn't seem plausible. Searching this exact phrase yield few results, which all related either to this redirect or to part of sentence starting with "As a sacrifice, Eucharist" with a comma and not capitalising "sacrifice" unlike this redirect. – Scyrme (talk) 23:25, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep (Creator) - Catholic Encyclopedia entries are likely to be recreated by someone else a few years down the line. These are cheap and keeping them around means they are likely to be directed to the best place. JASpencer (talk) 06:26, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * A recreation of a deleted page after a discussion is a WP:G4 which should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 13:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom reasoning Tiny Particle (talk) 22:35, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete unusual wording that serves little purpose. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per all above. More details at the other RfD - WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 15. Wikipedia does not have to follow Catholic Encyclopedia's search indices. Jay  💬 19:12, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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Eucharist, Introduction to the
 Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 14%23Eucharist, Introduction to the

Torah-submission
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 16%23Torah-submission

Pharaoh in Islam
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) { {ping&#124;ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 22:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Pharaoh in Islam → Moses in Islam (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Too vague to refer to this specific pharaoh. I recomment deletion. Veverve (talk) 21:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Too vague? Are there other pharoahs that have a particular affinity with Islam? The only pharoah "in Islam" that comes to my mind is the one named so in the Qur'an, and if I recall correctly he is the only figure referred to as such (Fir'awn) in the Qur'an. While "in the Qur'an" might be more precise, "in Islam" is consistent with the titles of a large number of articles that relate biblical figures to figures in the Qur'an and muslim tradition, including the current target. – Scyrme (talk) 22:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep My understanding is that, unlike the Bible, there is only one Pharaoh in the Quran (it would be nice to have an article). He isn't known as "the Pharaoh" but is named "Pharaoh" A redirect to an article containing some info on him aides the reader more than a red link. Tiny Particle (talk) 13:34, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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Elizabeth the Great
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) { {ping&#124;ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 22:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Elizabeth the Great → Elizabeth Jenkins (writer) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Should be made a disambiguation between Elizabeth II, Elizabeth I, Elizabeth of Russia and the current page. Clearly this, if any of the three, would not be the primary topic. Estar8806 (talk) 20:01, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep as is. This was already discussed just five months ago at Articles for deletion/Elizabeth the Great.  As noted by the closer, ""  It is doubtful at this moment that consensus has changed enough in such a short period of time.  --Super Goku V (talk) 20:55, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep while moving and amending the hatnote per A7V2. --Super Goku V (talk) 18:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and add hatnote. I think the deletion discussion is too recent to completely overturn at RfD, and I don't necessarily disagree that the primary topic for "Elizabeth the Great" isn't the book. But given that Elizabeth II has been described in this way (eg by Boris Johnson ), and Elizabeth of Russia has also, a hatnote should be added saying something like "Elizabeth the Great redirects here. For people occasionally referred to as Elizabeth the Great, see...". A7V2 (talk) 22:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There is a hatnote, but it seems to be misplaced as it is at the top of the article. Would bringing it down to the Biographer section and adding Elizabeth of Russia be acceptable to you?  --Super Goku V (talk) 08:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Super Goku V Ah I hadn't noticed. Yes, I think move that hatnote down into the #Biographer section. A7V2 (talk) 22:09, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Then I will amend my vote.  --Super Goku V (talk) 18:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:27, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. We don't redirect non-notable book titles to their author's article. And it's too confusing, since the subject of the article is named Elizabeth. Wikipedia isn't Google and isn't meant to automatically pull up the author of every book ever published. Let someone seeking that book or phrase use Google, not Wikipedia. Softlavender (talk) 09:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't redirect non-notable book titles to their author's article Sure we do, see R from book. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 20:50, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep with hatnote  per Compassionate727 and A7V2. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:42, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The List of people known as the Great does not contain any Elizabeths but Elizabeth Jenkins's book is so called. Simples. Tiny Particle (talk) 13:40, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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Branches of Christianity
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) { {ping&#124;ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 21:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Branches of Christianity → Christian denomination (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Maybe it would be better as a DAB with Branch theory and Christian denomination. Veverve (talk) 19:55, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. IMO, someone searching "branches of Christianity" is most likely looking for an article on the various "branches" described in branch theory and doesn't know the correct jargon. A hatnote would probably be appropriate, though. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 20:52, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - Most references to "branches of Christianity" online refer denominations or groups of related denominations; seems to be the primary topic. Personally, if I were to search or link Branches of Christianity, I would expect it to go to denominations. "Branches of Christianity" could plausibly be a related term/phrase for Branch theory (as with an r from related term), but I think a hatnote like ""Branches of Christianity" redirects here, for the [Anglican] ecclesiological view, see Branch theory" would be sufficient (either with or without the "Anglican" qualifier). – Scyrme (talk) 22:59, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: I went ahead and added the hatnote. Veverve (talk) 00:18, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems a bit wordy. Why not just stop at "the ecclesiological view"? – Scyrme (talk) 00:58, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Because grouping Christian groups into a denomination is itself an ecclesiological view, or at least an use of ecclesiology. Veverve (talk) 15:35, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. – Scyrme (talk) 12:59, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have, however, boldly removed the word "ecclesiological," which was IMO unnecessary; that should help with the wordiness. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 14:03, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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Gump, Forrest
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) { {ping&#124;ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 17:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Gump, Forrest">Gump, Forrest → Forrest Gump (character) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Recently created redirect. Character is never listed or referred to in this format in any of the books or film. Not an academic. Not "Bond, James Bond" AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:59, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep - plenty of redirects exist with the subject's name in reverse (e.g, West, Kanye, Trump, Donald, Lincoln, Abraham, Swift, Taylor). Seems to fulfil WP:CHEAP.  Crusader 1096  (message) 18:34, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Would this then apply to any fictional character that has a given name and a last name? That could get messy quick. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 08:22, 8 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: I think it falls under a sort name. I added the R from sort name template to the redirect, as that appears to have been the intention. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:15, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * as per our discussion on Discord:
 * I don't see a precedent to create Family name, Given name redirects for fictional characters unless they are referred to as such in the media. There aren't ones for Wayne, Bruce or Kent, Clark. If the character had an Eastern name, then "Family name Given name" would be fine. Examples as presented in the media in that format, like a name tag, office window, locker label, file folder, sign "Gump, Forrest." or on a report / news article / academic web search.  "Connor Sarah" for the Terminator film where the Terminator tries to look her up in a phone book.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:47, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Hey man im josh. Could help people not knowing what or who "Forrest Gump" is (after all a quite unusual name) finding the article. Also, forrest once was a valid spelling variant of forest, which might add to confusion for non-native speakers of English. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 21:23, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, WP:CHEAP. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:00, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
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OTAN
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to NATO per unanaminous consensus. (non-admin closure) { {ping&#124;ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 16:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * OTAN → Otan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There seems to have been a bit of page history going back and forth on whether this should be a DAB, a redirect to NATO, or a redirect to the Otan DAB. In my view, it should likely go directly to NATO as nothing on the Otan DAB page other than NATO, so per WP:DIFFCAPS I support retargeting there, but as it seems contentious, it seemed wise to bring it to RfD. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 17:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget In the caps variant, this is clearly a reference to NATO. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:19, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Responding to a notification: I don't have the time to look into this, but I'm the one who last retargeted the to the dab, the rationale I gave in the edit summary was usage for NATO not common in English, the Kazakhstan party is also sometimes styled in all caps if I recall correctly, the redirect gets very little usage so even if there is a primary topic it wouldn't make sense to have a hatnote for it at NATO. The all-caps styling for the political party is at best rare (I couldn't see any instances on the first page of results in a web search), and NATO is likely the primary topic with respect to usage for either caps variant, but I still see it as undesirable for a major article to have a hatnote for obscure topics. – Uanfala (talk) 20:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to NATO, add redirects here for the other Otans. Don't see any other entries that are all-caps. There are official logos where NATO is paired with OTAN right under it.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to NATO as the primary topic at this capitalisation, and expand the hatnote there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:40, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to NATO and add a hatnote pointing to the disambiguation page there. I am not a fan of WP:DIFFCAPS at all and think we should avoid disambiguating terms based on their capitalization in most cases. It does not scale well and will create avoidable additional work in the future of the project - therefore, if it can be done in a way which will likely continue to work great in 2 or 3 decades from now, it should be done this way right from the start. The exception is the few terms which are extremely common in one particular capitalization only, like OTAN referring to NATO. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 22:59, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Mainw
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 * The result of the discussion was speedily deleted  per G5. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:11, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Template:Mainw → Template:Cat main (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete – Ambiguous and confusing. Could easily be confused with Main and I replaced an instance of it being used that way in an article. Not sure what the w is supposed to mean. MClay1 (talk) 13:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete – Not necessary, don't see the use of this existing. Per nom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FranklinOfNull (talk • contribs) 16:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:G5#3: redirect created by without any substantial edits by others. This title is ambiguous and implausible anyway. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 16:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per Dsuke1998AEOS (WP:G5#3). InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 19:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
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Tourism in Capri
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 19%23Tourism in Capri

Wisconsin Primary
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to their respective "Elections in" articles  . (non-admin closure) { {ping&#124;ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 11:14, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Wisconsin Primary → United States presidential primary (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pennsylvania primary → 2008 United States presidential election in Pennsylvania (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Neither of these make sense as redirects, nor is there a good target for these to go to. Some states (such as New Hampshire) have notable presidential primaries referred to as "STATE primary", while some others (such as California and Louisiana) have unique primary systems for state elections referred to as "STATE primary". Neither of those apply here. There is therefore no real primary topic for these terms, but also no useful articles to disambiguate between, so these should be deleted. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 06:42, 25 February 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 09:47, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete both per nom. Wisconsin Primary was previously an article but it was just one unsourced paragraph. In spite of this edit summary I could find no evidence of anything actually being merged at United States presidential primary, so this shouldn't be an issue. Certainly no issue I can see in deleting Pennsylvania primary. A7V2 (talk) 11:08, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Elections in Pennsylvania and Elections in Wisconsin as plausible search terms. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:51, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Elections in Wisconsin and Elections in Pennsylvania per Presidentman: these targets are plausible enough to avoid deletion. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 09:57, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget as above. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:58, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - that these are plausible search terms is precisely the reason they should not be retargeted to Elections in Wisconsin and Elections in Pennsylvania. Elections in Pennsylvania makes no mention at all of primaries, and the only mention at Elections in Wisconsin is three links to primaries for particular presidential elections, but these can be better found by search. A7V2 (talk) 22:50, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * As the nom points out, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania don't have notable primaries on their own. WP does have general articles on elections in those state, so there is indeed a primary topic article here unlike the nom asserts. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:01, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Except those general articles say nothing about the primaries. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 16:21, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per . The Pennsylvania elections article contains nothing about its primaries, so WP:RDELETE and WP:SURPRISE apply. Elections in Wisconsin lists a few primary election articles, so I would support pointing a redirect "Wisconsin primary" there as a kind of disambiguation, but because the redirect we actually have capitalizes "primary," which suggests looking for a main topic (which doesn't exist), I am inclined to delete it as well. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 06:49, 4 March 2023 (UTC); rationale expanded 16:27, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget to Elections in (state) as above, as with California primary. This may mean having to describe the primary process for that state into the article as how the California article is done. Doesn't seem to be specific or significant to presidential primaries as with New Hampshire primary. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:04, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Looking into articles like 2018 Wisconsin elections show there are spring primaries and fall primaries that precede the general elections. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:17, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Elections in Wisconsin and Elections in Pennsylvania per above. Tiny Particle (talk) 13:52, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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Bunch of academic journals
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Concerns about RfD being inappropriately used to hound an editor are better raised at a venue like WP:ANI, though in my quick skim I didn't see anything that gave me pause.

Aside from that, the delete arguments cited the relevant guideline and the sole keep vote did the opposite, hence a delete conclusion. Legoktm (talk) 03:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC) Essentially goes against WP:REDLINK to a target so impossibly vast no specific information about that journal will ever be there. See also similar discussion in the past here and here and here. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Acta Tropica → Elsevier (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Administrative Theory & Praxis">Administrative Theory & Praxis → Taylor & Francis (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Biological Control (journal)">Biological Control (journal) → Elsevier (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Communication Research and Practice → Routledge (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Eng Med → SAGE Publishing (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Eng. Med. → SAGE Publishing (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Engineering in Medicine → SAGE Publishing (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * European Journal of Plant Pathology → Springer Science+Business Media (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Evolutionary Applications → Wiley (publisher) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * International Journal of Electronics → Taylor & Francis (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * J North Afr Stud → Routledge (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * J Telemed Telecare → SAGE Publishing (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * J. North Afr. Stud. → Routledge (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * J. Telemed. Telecare → SAGE Publishing (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Journal of General Plant Pathology → Springer Science+Business Media (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Journal of Multicultural Discourses → Taylor & Francis (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Journal of North African Studies → Routledge (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Journal of Telemedicine and Telecare → SAGE Publishing (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Nutrition Today → Lippincott Williams & Wilkins (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pesticide Biochemistry and Physiology → Elsevier (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Pesticide Science (journal)">Pesticide Science (journal) → Wiley (publisher) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Studies on Women and Gender Abstracts → Routledge (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Journal of Legal History → Taylor & Francis (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Journal of North African Studies → Routledge (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Weed Research (journal)">Weed Research (journal) → Wiley (publisher) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Delete all, per nom. --Randykitty (talk) 10:42, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Revert Journal of Telemedicine and Telecare per WP:BLAR, and send to AFD if desired. It appears to be the only one of these that used to be an article. - Eureka Lott 14:28, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * agreed, withdrawn that one. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Inappropriate use of RfD several of these were chosen because they were created by a particular editor (myself). Additionally Randykitty obviously should not continue an earlier conflict by voting. Invasive Spices (talk) 23:38, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "several of these were chosen because they were created by a particular editor"
 * Utter nonsense, I went through all major publishers and collected all such redirects. That you created ~25% of them does not make this "an inappropriate use of RFD". Hell, I created some myself. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:53, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep all which are redirects from proper journal/magazine/newspaper names (or common abbreviations thereof) for which we do not have individual articles yet and which are pointing to the corresponding publisher. These redirects are often important to track down less known publication names in citations (and in general). Often, if we don't have an article about the publication, an article about the publisher may at least mention the publication or may otherwise give additional related information which can help to locate more details about the publication. Even if we don't have the publication covered yet, the very existence of a redirect carries useful semantic information in itself. It tells users that a publication exists and thereby helps to improve/verify citations. This also gets "harvested" by third-parties and thereby helps to improve external databases, search engines, etc. I don't buy the REDLINK stuff, because articles are typically created by people being knowledgable about a topic and having enough time at hands to research and write the articles. They will create an article about a publication regardless of if it is currently a red link or a redirect. In fact, redirects help to shape the infrastructure and build the foundation for a future article. Redirect targets are often a place where information snippets about the redirect topic are accumulated by different editors until enough information has been collected to split it out and move it over the redirect. Without the redirect, this is much less likely to happen (or different pieces of information will be randomly added to several related articles, none ever reaching the threshold for a stand-alone article). Also, if a redirect once existed and was deleted, this discourages people to recreate them as an article. Therefore, deleting valid redirects will have a net-negative impact on the project instead of being an improvement. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 23:42, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "about the publisher may at least mention the publication" These articles won't ever mention those journals. These publishers are too big for that. This isn't case of the Bulletin of the Mathematical Society of Swaziland redirecting to the Mathematical Society of Swaziland. Re " I don't buy the REDLINK stuff, because articles are typically created by people being knowledgable about a topic and having enough time at hands to research and write the articles." On journal topics, article-creation is highly driven by lists of redlinks like WP:JCW/MIS and redlinks being present in articles (citations usually). &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:55, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. If there was a List of journals published by Foo that mentioned them that would be a different story, but afacs there isn't. Thryduulf (talk) 12:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)q
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John Wiley & Sons Inc. 'A'
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 09:34, 15 March 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="John Wiley & Sons Inc. 'A'">John Wiley & Sons Inc. 'A' → Wiley (publisher) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely search term, this is either a weird typo, or refers to nothing. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:41, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: I did some Googling and I don't think it's a typo, check out this link to Yahoo Finance. It appears that this redirect may have been created with the company's "A shares" in mind. With that said, I think it's an unlikely search term. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:48, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
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Loads of pointless redirects to Shinto sects and schools
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Yoshikawa Shintō">Yoshikawa Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Unden Shinto → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Unden Shintō">Unden Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Uden Shinto → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Uden Shintō">Uden Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tsushima Shinto → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Tsushima Shintō">Tsushima Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Rito Shinchi Shinto → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Ritō Shinchi Shintō">Ritō Shinchi Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Reiso Shinto → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Reisō Shintō">Reisō Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ogimachi Shinto → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Ōgimachi Shintō">Ōgimachi Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Mononobe Shinto → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Mononobe Shintō">Mononobe Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Miwaryū Shintō">Miwaryū Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Miwaryu Shinto → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Miwa-ryu Shinto → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Miwa-ryū Shintō">Miwa-ryū Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Kikke Shinto → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Kikke Shintō">Kikke Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Kaden Shinto → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Kaden Shintō">Kaden Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Juhachi Shinto → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Jūhachi Shintō">Jūhachi Shintō → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Jingidoke → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Jingidōke">Jingidōke → Shinto sects and schools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Lots of unused or minimally used redirects to this list article which is a huge list with sects it provides no sources for the existence of Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 06:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep – while in-line sourcing is preferable, I'm not seeing any evidence to assume that these aren't sourced to the books cited.  J947  † edits 09:07, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. This sounds like a content issue. Feel free to clean up the article's sourcing; if any sects fail verification, then they can be RfD'd. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 15:34, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
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Nonexistent FMR stations
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 14%23Nonexistent FMR stations

Secondary Period
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 14%23Secondary Period

Mulsim
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) { {ping&#124;ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 11:18, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Mulsim → Muslims (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a redirect from a typo, not a misspelling (cf. Finalnd, Rcie.) Also, no pageviews in the past few months. Mast303 (talk) 00:15, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, pageviews fairly healthy.  J947  † edits 09:05, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems harmless. Redirects for typos can be confusing if deemed ambiguous; but that is certainly not the case here. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:36, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - The relevant rcat, r from misspelling, explicitly states "or typographical error". Searching around with "mulsim", it does appear to be a common enough error. Google brings a large number of relevant results, and on TikTok the tag "#mulsim" has 37.2M views and yields a long stream of content by/about muslims. Accidentally typing two adjacent letters in the wrong order is a common typo (eg. "teh" for "the"); although not all errors of this kind warrant a redirect, this one seems common enough to plausibly warrant a redirect.That said, a typo being common on external sites does not necessarily mean people will use it on Wikipedia. The number of views since the beginning of this year is only 3 in total, which although not "no" views (contrary to the nomination), is not many. J947's link covers a span of several years, which shows that it very rarely gets more than 1 hit a day on days that it gets hits at all. The redirect often goes weeks, sometimes around a month, without any hits, which is difficult to see when looking at the whole span but is clear when inspecting a narrower range. It has, on very rare occassions, gotten as many as 6 hits a day but these are exceptions to the general trend. "Healthy" seems like an overstatement, which is why I'm only weakly for keeping it. – Scyrme (talk) 22:28, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * So yeah, it's a redirect; it isn't terribly important. It's helped 600 readers across the last 8 years and caused negligible maintenance – perhaps the equivalent figure is 10 editors, bringing that to +590? The helped-to-hindered ratio is one that remains constant, so the specific timeframe picked doesn't so matter – I simply chose the longest timeframe to paint the broadest and most accurate picture. It's a clear net benefit in my opinion.  J947  † edits 01:09, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
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