Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 25

May 25
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 25, 2023.

Wikipedia:Eliminators
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . There is a strong consensus against the current target. Beyond that the !votes are 5 to 3 for deletion versus retargeting; the arguments for both are subjective ("it's the closest thing" vs. "but it's not the same thing", essentially), leaving a rough consensus for the numerically most-supported option.Eliminator wasn't bundled here, but I think reasonably falls under WP:G8, so I'll take care of that too.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 04:39, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Eliminators → Wikipedia:Moderators (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Extremely unlikely redirect. This is not a common term for "moderator" and Wikipedia does not have moderators, let alone "eliminators". As such it appears to be personal commentary and potentially pointy. Grachester (talk) 15:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per CentralAuth "groups" section. (e.g: Special:CentralAuth/Tryvix1509, who is a moderator in Vietnamese Wikipedia.) ☀DefenderTienMinh☽  ( talk ) 15:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * For clarity, an eliminator is a role that exists in some non-English Wikipedias, see Q10862160, giving users the ability to delete pages. I'm still inclined to delete since this is not a system that exists on enwiki and none of the proposal pages mention the name. eviolite   (talk)  03:13, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, looks sufficiently related: the version of what we might call a Moderator on other Wikipedias. Thus I think this target is helpful enough. There doesn't seem to be a meta page on this – otherwise a soft redirect would be a solid target.  J947  † edits 04:24, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WP:Administrators. This is a lightweight version of the administrator group used on some projects that only allows page deletion - the equivalent group here is admins, who are the only people that have access to the delete functionality. If someone from another project comes here looking for information on eliminators the only relevant result on that dab page is WP:Administrators, they aren't going to be looking for information on the various content mediation proposals, rollbackers or recent changes patrollers. 192.76.8.86 (talk) 22:51, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per . Also, we aren't Wikidata; if it doesn't exist here, it doesn't exist here. The individual Wikipedias are not translation services. Steel1943  (talk) 01:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * However, seems such a user right existing in other Wikipedias may validate starting a proposal for such a right here, unbundling even more administrative tools... Steel1943  (talk) 01:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WP:Administrators: There is no point for the WP:Moderator page to exist either, but that's not the focus, the redirect should just redirect to the most common idea (administrators) FusionSub (talk) 10:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The issue with that line of thinking is that it seems that per other Wikimedia projects, this term is supposed to refer to a standalone user right exclusive from administrators which allows non-admins to delete pages; such a right does not exist on the English (this) Wikipedia. Steel1943  (talk) 23:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Administrators. Because of the existence of a parallel on other projects. --Bsherr (talk) 14:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per eviolite, the parallel is actively misleading if the roles aren't actually equivalent. signed,Rosguill talk 00:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per eviolite, or retarget if WP:Administrators has even a cursory mention of this non-enwiki role. Jay  💬 14:15, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * If kept, User groups seems to be the best match I can find. I can see it being linked in the context that Steel1943 describes, in the event of a proposal for the Eliminator user group here. There is not much context at my proposed target though, so I'm not seriously considering it. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:19, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
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Biomaker
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 2%23Biomaker

Template:WPI
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 01:14, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Template:WPI → Template:WikiProject Internet (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

we should get rid of WP + one letter as soon as possible. Unfortunately, some are used quite a lot, e.g. WPJ or WPG or WPE. Some WP + one letter are for other templates, e.g. WPL for Template:Wikidata property link. Or e.g. WPP for a company (this should be WPP plc like the article name) Estopedist1 (talk) 18:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Reasonable shortcut redirect, I don't see why deletion would be beneficial here. The nominator asserts that we should get rid of them as soon as possible but the only reason provided is that it might be confused with other unrelated templates. Short redirects are basically always going to ambiguous to some degree. making thousands of edits like this  violates the WP:COSMETICBOT policy and is grounds for removal of AWB rights per WP:AWBRULES point 4. 192.76.8.86 (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * it is definitely improvement if non-systematic WP naming will be replaced with harmonized ones, e.g. similar edit is Special:Diff/1157076303. It is unlikely to be WP:COSMETICBOT if the clarity is obvious after my AWB-edits. I am sure that everyone wins and enwiki will get much better and cleaner database for established users and new users Estopedist1 (talk) 03:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom as WP+1 is definitely poor usage of shortcuts for WikiProjects to occupy. Internal project spaces should use such short shortcuts instead of the usual moribund wikiproject -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:30, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * delete, too many possible meanings for "WPI". Frietjes (talk) 16:02, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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Chris Mitchell (writer)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 2%23Chris Mitchell (writer)

Template:Bio
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Template:Bio → Template:WikiProject Biography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

same as MCB. See also BIO. By the way, template:bio is wrongly used at user pages, e.g. User:Wikiblissett/Piermario Ciani Estopedist1 (talk) 16:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. No transclusions, and only a few links, so perhaps not very useful as a shortcut. I agree it's ambiguous. --Bsherr (talk) 14:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete WPbiography, WikiProject Biology, Infobox biography, uw-biog1 -- It should be using WPBIOG -- etc -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:34, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * delete, too many possible meanings for "Bio" per above. Frietjes (talk) 16:03, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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Long run
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 2%23Long run

Niue People's Action Part
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted  by  per criteria R3 and G7. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Niue People's Action Part → Niue People's Party (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I thought I was creating a redirect from "Niue People's Action Party" (which already exists), and only realized after the fact that I typed "Part" instead of "Party". I don't think this is a common typo or search for the target article and thus should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Upjav (talk • contribs) 14:44, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
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Jantra (album)
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus (default to retarget to List of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg); delete; delete  . Redirects can be retargeted back / restored if the discography artcle comes to have relevant content.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 04:33, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Jantra (album)">Jantra (album) → Zubeen Garg discography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Akou Hiyamon → Zubeen Garg discography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Akow Hiyamon → Zubeen Garg discography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

not mentioned in article greyzxq  talk 21:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 10:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There's an album mention in List of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg, but yes, it's not listed in his discography at the moment. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:09, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Looking at each redirect one-by-one:
 * Jantra (album): : currently no mention at current target, one-line mention at the list. All that the list says is that it's an album by Zubeen Garg that came out in 2004. Not really helpful if the reader is looking for encyclopedic information, but OK for basic data.
 * Akou Hiyamon: ❌ Delete: currently no mention at current target, one mention at the list that implies existence but gives no helpful information.
 * Akow Hiyamon:❌ Delete: currently no mention at either target... possibly a typo or alternate name for Akou Hiyamon?

Edward-Woodrow (talk) 15:51, 18 May 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: One more try… since there is some uncertainty regarding the first redirect. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 11:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete all readers are not going to be satisfied by the target if it's not mentioned there at all. signed,Rosguill talk 01:13, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget the first to the list, but unlike what Edward said, it is not a one-line mention. It has details of all songs in the album, composer, writer and singer. Delete the other two. Jay  💬 14:25, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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Doctor Moro
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus (default to delete)  On the one hand, a plurality of editors ($5/11$) favor retargeting to the book. On the other hand, while the remaining 6 editors are split in their preferences (4 delete, 2 retarget to surname page), they are unanimous in opposing the plurality's preferred option. And there has been enough participation that a third relist is not indicated. So, trying to treat this something like instant runoff voting, deletion seems like the option least contrary to !voters' preferences. This outcome, like any no-consesus deletion, does not preclude an editor from BOLDly recreating with their preferred target, to be discussed at a future RfD if necessary.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 04:52, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Doctor Moro → List of Kirby characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No longer mentioned in the target. Has a minor mention in Hiroshi Naka but doesn't explain who this character is. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 16:19, 10 May 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Thoughts on retargeting? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:45, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Unmentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:42, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Island of Doctor Moreau as plausible typo. Alternatively, redirect to Moro (surname)  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:03, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 11:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: it seems to get light but fairly steady pageviews. Clearly, a few people are using it, but one can't tell if they're happy with the current target. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 15:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Moro (surname) since it seems at least a couple of the entries there would be doctors. But perhaps better to delete to allow for uninhibited search? I don't think we should be targeting to The Island of Doctor Moreau. A7V2 (talk) 01:09, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Overly vague and useless for navigation. We shouldn't be pointing people to WP:SURPRISE targets. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 17:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The Island of Doctor Moreau and HATNOTE Moro (surname) -- alternatively disambiguate the title, with The Island of Doctor Moreau and the persons from the surname article who are doctors of some sort or other -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Island of Doctor Moreau as this would be the natural misspelling for native English speakers who have heard someone say "Doctor Moreau" but never seen it written (or has forgotten how it is spelled). I would not object to a disambiguation page as an alternative, nor would I object to hatnotes, but I think the H.G.Wells story is definitely the primary topic here.  Even the minor Kirby character this redirect was originally created for was likely named for the H.G.Wells story. Fieari (talk) 06:57, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget Moro (surname) while I think it's plausible that people would search for The Island of Doctor Moreau this way, it would look very silly to have a hatnote "Doctor Moro redirects here..." at that article, and I think it is equally plausible that people would be looking for someone actually named Dr. Moro. It would be a bit less silly to have a hatnote at Moro (surname) as that page is a) already a disambiguation b) doesn't have a hatnote yet. signed,Rosguill talk 01:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The Island of Doctor Moreau per Fieari. Oppose retarget or hatnote to Moro (surname), a page that has 21 entries, none of the articles of which mention the subject with a title of Doctor, and for which reason I won't favour the dab page suggestion as well from IP64. The closest would be Ernst Moro (physician and pediatrician), followed by Sergio Moro who completed his PhD and obtained the title of Doctor, but there is no way a reader who knows only the surname can figure this out by looking at the surname dab. Jay  💬 14:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't delete – search results are unhelpful, apart from listing Sergio Moro. Strongly oppose a hatnote at The Island of Doctor Moreau per Rosguill. I'll slightly support the book over the surname as a target, as I think a majority of readers searching this phrase will be looking for the famous book, but as Rosguill says the hatnote situation complicates things. I think Kirby's Doctor Moro might constitute a fair portion of the views, but readers looking for that won't be helped anyhow. For those readers, the most helpful thing we can do is to retarget to the book the character is based off.  J947  † edits 01:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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Tomodachi Life(Nintendo 3DS)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 08:08, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Tomodachi Life(Nintendo 3DS)">Tomodachi Life(Nintendo 3DS) → Tomodachi Life (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of a space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Tomodachi Life (Nintendo 3DS), is a redirect that targets the same page as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 05:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Interesting that the deletion of this redirect will delete 4 edits I made over 9 years ago ... funny how I'm running across this again almost a decade later. Steel1943  (talk) 06:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete: I created it by moving a page from this malformed title. Pam  D  06:22, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 08:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:RDAB. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:27, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was only at the title for about 19 minutes.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Mary Taylor(Coronation Street)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 08:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Mary Taylor(Coronation Street)">Mary Taylor(Coronation Street) → Mary Taylor (Coronation Street) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of a space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Mary Taylor (Coronation Street), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 05:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 08:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, not needed, per nom. – Meena • 09:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:14, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was only a separate article for a few hours back in May 2010 so although its been at this title for over 13 years there's little risk of link rot.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:15, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:BIO
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:50, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Template:BIO → Template:WikiProject Biography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

same as at MCB Estopedist1 (talk) 05:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Keep - The redirect has been around for close to two years. When most people talk about a "bio", they are referring to the biography of an individual. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:40, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete a relatively recent redirect, for which a better one exists, WPBIOG -- as this is confusable with WikiProject Biology, Infobox biography, uw-biog1 , etc -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * delete, too many possible meanings for "BIO" per above. I have seen this one misused for infobox person. Frietjes (talk) 16:04, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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Joseph Hibbert(manufacturer)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 08:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Joseph Hibbert(manufacturer)">Joseph Hibbert(manufacturer) → Joseph Hibbert (manufacturer) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of a space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Joseph Hibbert (manufacturer), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 05:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 08:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above and WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 11:51, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:15, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was at this title for less than 2 days in October 2009.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Prison Break(season 1)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 08:12, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Prison Break(season 1)">Prison Break(season 1) → Prison Break (season 1) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of a space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Prison Break (season 1), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 05:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 08:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above and WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 11:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:15, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it seems like there is complication with history but this probably is unlikely to break anything much from 2008.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Vertex(graph theory)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 08:13, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Vertex(graph theory)">Vertex(graph theory) → Vertex (graph theory) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of a space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Vertex (graph theory), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 05:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep – pageviews non-zero. Harmless.  J947  † edits 05:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep, the most recent ones this month were me bypassing the incoming links, and viewing this page each time I did. It's like the page view noise has to be 0 views/eternity to avoid any such statement. Steel1943  (talk) 05:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Haha well I didn't realise you had fixed the links back on 11 May. Still, that's all just busywork.  J947  † edits 05:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 08:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:15, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete though its existed since 2005 it hasn't even been created from a move.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:23, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:13, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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SVD(rifle)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 08:14, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="SVD(rifle)">SVD(rifle) → SVD (rifle) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of a space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, SVD (rifle), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 05:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 08:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:16, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete though its existed since 2009 it hasn't even been created from a move.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WPBIZ
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 08:15, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Template:WPBIZ → Template:WikiProject Business (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading name (at first, I thought that something bizare WP, e.g. WP Alternative views). All occurences substituted, now just an obvious redirect-clutter in enwiki Estopedist1 (talk) 05:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Helpful and not misleading. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep This is the only one that doesn't seem misleading or ambiguous to me. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep not misleading at all. wikt:biz is a common abbreviation for business -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:39, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Not misleading. As 64.229.90.172 said, 'biz' is a common abbreviation for 'business', as in 'showbiz', for example. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 14:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WPCH
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Template:WPENG
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Template:WPEG
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Template:WPAGS
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Template:MCB
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 00:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Template:MCB → Template:WikiProject Molecular Biology (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading name. All occurences substituted, now just an obvious redirect-clutter in enwiki Estopedist1 (talk) 04:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Weak delete It should really start with "WP" as these banner shortcuts typically do. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename to  WPMCB  -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:42, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * project used to be Molecular and Cellular Biology, now using a simpler name, so can function as a shortcut -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:16, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * delete, too many possible meanings for "MCB" per above. Frietjes (talk) 16:06, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WPENLANG
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Judicial commission
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure)  J947  † edits 07:37, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Judicial commission → Letters patent (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I am concerned that this may be confused with entities such as the Judicial Commission of Pakistan, the Judicial Commission of New South Wales, and the Judicial Commission of Indonesia, along with various local appointed bodies called judicial commissions. BD2412 T 03:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * DABify with Judicial Commission of New South Wales, Judicial Commission of Indonesia, and Letters patent. Veverve (talk) 03:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have drafted a disambiguation page under the current redirect. BD2412  T 16:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support draft dab. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:30, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per the drafted dab page -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 04:24, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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Template:R to work
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:42, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Template:R to work → Template:R from work (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target WP:RCAT is intended to for redirects, which is the opposite of what this redirect implies. Deletion may be the best option here. - Eureka Lott 16:03, 17 May 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Thoughts on retargeting? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:43, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Pichpich (talk) 20:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to which is the more appropriate direction.  Update R from work to include this as a See also.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:45, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per nom. The proposed retargeting is thoughtful but IMO would still muddle things considerably. Not all redirects to a work are necessarily redirects from the work's creator. They could also be from a related topic just as r from work redirects may target other related topics than creators. Users invoking this template would likely expect it to do what it says, and unless such a template is actually going to be created we aren't helping anyone by having a redirect that merely maintains the illusion that such a template exists. -- Visviva (talk) 03:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree that the proposed retargeting is not optimal - the proposed target is not synonymous with this redirects meaning. The singular use of this tag is a redirect from the name of a theatre to a notable play that was performed there - the proposed target wouldn't be correct. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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Incomprehensibility of God
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  with encouragement for editors to write an article on this topic. signed,Rosguill talk 00:52, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Incomprehensibility of God → Attributes of God in Christianity (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The Christian God is not the only one to be incomprehensible (see God in Judaism, God in Islam). There is no good retarget. Therefore, I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 01:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: Most people searching would be looking for the attribute of the Christian God - that is what virtually all the Google search results are talking about (and without any further qualification). StAnselm (talk) 02:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Most people in the world are not Christian, and the largest English speaking locality in the world by population is India, where Christianity is not dominant. So, if we were to look at it from a global perspective, it shouldn't be the case. -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 21:43, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Break out into a separate article, which would parallel most of the other concepts in the current target article (e.g. Divine simplicity, Divine providence, Omnipotence). I don't think we can say what "most people" will be looking for. Wikipedia is read all over the world. BD2412  T 16:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - I think I would prefer a comprehensive article on the topic covering multiple religions that use the concept (as BD2412 says), but barring that, yeah, this does seem to have no primary topic. Fieari (talk) 05:52, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you Google the phrase? The Google results suggest a very clear primary topic. StAnselm (talk) 15:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you have already started the research, so why not just write an article? You could stub out something adequate fairly quickly, I think. BD2412  T 22:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did google it. I do see that the English speaking internet using this phrase is predominantly Christian, however Islam and Judaism both have the concept as well and we would do well to get ahead of systemic bias here.  Fieari (talk) 04:01, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:REDLINK per BD2412; and just delete per Fieari and Veverve -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 21:18, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: no good target, I'm not convinced by the Christian-focused interpretation. This is a good article topic, though, and what I would call a poster use case for WP:REDLINK. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  07:28, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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Infinity of God
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Incomprehensibility
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Comprehension. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:32, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Incomprehensibility → Attributes of God in Christianity (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This simple word is not always used to refer to a divine being in Christianity. Currently, this is misleading. Therefore, I propose either deletion or retarget to the comprehension DAB. Veverve (talk) 01:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: Incomprehensible redirects to the disambiguation page at comprehension - Eureka Lott 02:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I had no thought about that; I have edited my proposal accordingly. Veverve (talk) 03:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. WP:NOT a dictionary. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Comprehension dab page and tag as "R from antonym". -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:15, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Lenticel -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 21:19, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per the above. BD2412  T 21:35, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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Jesus died for our sins
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Substitutionary atonement. Also retargeted Died for our sins there, as suggested below. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:29, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Jesus died for our sins → Salvation in Christianity (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I am not sure if this redirect is helpful. What do you think? Veverve (talk) 00:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think either retarget to 1 Corinthians 15, the same target as Died for our sins (and where this term comes from with Christ replacing Jesus), or as a second preference refine to Salvation in Christianity though some of what's written there seems dubious to me (citing bible verses which simply don't say what is claimed, but I'm not bible scholar). I do think this is a useful search term though and my third preference is just to keep as is. A7V2 (talk) 01:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I also support the first retarget proposal. Veverve (talk) 03:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm also happy with targeting this and Died for our sins to Substitutionary atonement per Presidentman. A7V2 (talk) 08:05, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Corinthians would be okay. Joshua Jonathan  - Let's talk!  04:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect → Substitutionary atonement. —Confession0791 talk 09:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Substitutionary atonement. StAnselm (talk) 15:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Substitutionary atonement as proposed which seems to be the article most closely expounding on this specific belief. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:16, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Should Died for our sins have the same target? Veverve (talk) 21:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. —Confession0791 talk 03:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Substitutionary atonement. Died for our sins can also be retargetted there. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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Controversies on Grace
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:41, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Controversies on Grace → Congregatio de Auxiliis (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Grace, Controversies on">Grace, Controversies on → Congregatio de Auxiliis (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect's title refers to this Catholic Encyclopedia article. The article is a long, polemical argument in favour of the Catholic position on grace that details other positions; and none of its content can be found on Wikipedia.

The previous target was Salvation in Christianity which was even less logical of a target. I have changed the target to the current one, as it is the only article that relates to some controversies about grace WP has.

Therefore, I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 00:26, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Agree with deletion page had a total of 134 views in the last year (May 2022-April 2023) while Salvation in Christianity and Congregatio had 140k & 4k respectively. |Salvation_in_Christianity|Congregatio_de_Auxiliis|Grace_in_Christianity pageviews
 * If consensus is to retarget, I support retargetting to Grace in Christianity. Referencer12 (talk) 04:12, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete the wording of topic names on the Catholic Encyclopedia may be completely useless, as it is here; as this is a subtopic formatted article name, and we don't do that formatting on Wikipedia -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * NOTE this opinion was filed on the redirect "", before the two redirect conversations were combined into one. -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 21:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - The best possible target would be an article comparing different religions/sects interpretation of the word "grace", with a redirect from non-neutral name template stuck on it, but I don't think we have such an article. If we do, I suggest retargeting there.  Otherwise, delete. Fieari (talk) 05:57, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:16, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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