Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 28

May 28
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 28, 2023.

5 (Grand Theft Auto)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:51, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * 5 (Grand Theft Auto) → Grand Theft Auto V (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 5 (GTA) → Grand Theft Auto V (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I have not seen any other redirect exist where number (work title) refers to that numbered version/installment of a published work like a movie or game. For example, 2 (Lemmings) does not exist for Lemmings 2: The Tribes, and 3 (Max Payne) does not exist for Max Payne 3. Suggesting a deletion in this case. Colgatepony234 (talk) 22:02, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:CHEAP. They're strange, but there's really nothing else they could target.
 * WP scatter t/c 23:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Weak delete: although the redirects are not completely implausible they get virtually no pageviews and similar redirects do not exist. However, I am not completely opposed to keeping per WP:CHEAP. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 09:48, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete These are really just implausible and open up a Pandora's box for every game out there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:39, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete As implausible. No one refers to video games by the number of their sequel alone, I can't find any evidence of this being used in this manner. "Have you played 3 recently" is a completely unnatural sentence construction. 192.76.8.86 (talk) 20:01, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
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Agita
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  .  Jay  💬 04:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Agita → Heartburn (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Term is not mentioned on target page, and based on a quick google "agita" is some form of anxiety, not heartburn? Suggest redirecting to anxiety but I'm not familiar with the term first-hand so that might not be best. WP scatter t/c 20:35, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it can refer to occasionally refer heartburn in a literal sense, but more commonly used for general anxiety  (metaphorical heartburn, I guess?). Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 21:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. Draft provided. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:32, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't even realize there were other terms to disambiguate here. I like your draft and vote to keep it (and remove the redirect of course). I'd probably add anxiety under "see also" but otherwise it's great.  WP scatter  t/c 20:02, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The language isn't mentioned in target page - yes, I found the two mentioned on one page but not sure how to add that info to the page.
 * Similarly, the slang term could usefully be mentioned at heartburn etc - I see that Diarrhea includes slang terms like "The runs".
 * But yes, a dab page seems appropriate here. Pam  D  07:26, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation seems obviously sensible. Can we speedily close this now? --Joy (talk) 16:47, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Salem R Rajendran
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Crichy Crich
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Crichy Crich → Crich (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This was recreated in clear contravention of consensus at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16. However, that's not exactly the language of WP:G4 (we need sufficiently identical), so here we are. "Crichy Crich" should only target a disambiguation if the term is ambiguous—it is not. Furthermore, I would argue that the entry for Crichy Crich be removed from the disambiguation page because WP:APOENTRIES requires notability for surname matches (same goes for the other people listed). -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and last discussion. WP:TROUT the creator while we're at it since they were part of the last discussion and should have known better. Sergecross73   msg me  17:12, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:59, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per result of discussion closed under a week ago. A7V2 (talk) 01:03, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
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Bharat/Bharata (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Bharat/Bharata (disambiguation) → Bharat (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Bharat and Bharata are different disambiguation pages, and Bharat/Bharata is red. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:59, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agreed.  Classic WP:XY—Ketil Trout (&lt;&gt;&lt;!) 10:25, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Shhhnotsoloud.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Waterwraith
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:22, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Waterwraith → Pikmin 2 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as not mentioned at the target. This was originally an article about a boss from the target game. As someone who happens to play Pikmin, I can confirm that the original content was accurate. However, I cannot find any single reliable source that mentions the Waterwraith, and boss lists sourced from the games themselves are wholly out of scope for Wikipedia. Glades12 (talk) 20:34, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 22:50, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - I added information to it in the article. ButterCashier (talk) 07:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The source you added for that mention is the Giant Bomb wiki. It can be edited by anyone with an account, so it's not a reliable source unfortunately. Glades12 (talk) 15:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know of a source that can't be edited by people with accounts that describes the Waterwraith as a unique enemy. It's such an iconic part of the game, I feel it is worth mentioning, maybe this redirect is not required but the reference to it in the article should remain at least. ButterCashier (talk) 07:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have removed the unreliable source from the target, but kept the content with a cn. Jay  💬 12:45, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete A one-sentence passing mention that appears to have been added to make a point is nowhere near sufficient for a redirect. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:59, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, I guess. Seems unduly astonishing even if the mention in Pikmin 2 can be sustained. The term turns up in a broad range of contexts so it's hard to guess what the user intent might be, but in all cases it's so tangential that any in-article mention is likely to be a bit forced. In particular it seems like waterwraith/water-wraith/water wraith is a not-too-uncommon translation of Each-uisge (e.g.), but I can't immediately find an RS for that either. Better to avoid the illusion of coverage here IMO. -- Visviva (talk) 22:13, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
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Valve attachment
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:22, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Valve attachment → Trombone (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Too generic for the target, there are many types of valve attachment, very few of which are for trombones. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 04:39, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate (updated). Hi, I think you're talking about a valve, and indeed there are many types and they appear on many brass instruments. A valve attachment however, is a term for the valve plus the tubing loop attached to the bell section of a trombone. They are often called "F attachments" because on a B♭ tenor trombone they are pitched in F; however, on an alto trombone they are pitched in B♭, and on a contrabass trombone they can be in a bunch of keys. (Update: I moved the RfD to the redirect's Talk page; in the process hopefully I didn't break anything: apologies if I did... oh I see, maybe I shouldn't have done that; reverted) —Jon (talk) 05:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No, I am referring to a valve. There are valve attachments in a wide variety of engineering applications, and valves are not only found on brass musical instruments. For that matter there are brass instruments with valves that are not musical, and this is not an encyclopedia only of musical terms. Try googling the term. The specific kind of valve attachment you mention does not appear on the first page of results for me, so is unlikely to be the primary meaning. There are valve attachments, which are auxiliary components including one or more valves of various kinds, for various applications, which are attached to larger units, and valve attachments which are auxiliary components attached to various kinds of valve. Valve attachments for trombones is a small subset of the possibilities. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 07:07, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, as in valve attachment. Fair enough, it seems that perhaps we need a disambiguation page instead — Jon (talk) 10:07, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 15:08, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is ambiguous, and an uninhibited Search shows other uses. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as extremely ambiguous. A term which is used in contexts ranging from bicycle tyres to plumbing fixtures to musical instruments to laboratory and medical equipment is far too vague to have a good target, the internal search engine does a good job here. 192.76.8.86 (talk) 22:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete as extremely ambiguous. A disam page isn't going to help here. Johnbod (talk) 17:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and anon. On Wiktionary we would call this a sum-of-parts issue. Anyone could intend any combination of the numerous meanings of "valve" and "attachment", leading to far too many possibilities for a useful dab page. (I am given some pause by the fact that the uses of "valve attachment" currently on-wiki are limited to trombones and bicycles. That would seem to make for a pretty manageable dab page, if we could be confident those uses reflected most of the range of likely user intents. But I don't think we can.) -- Visviva (talk) 22:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Test for category redirects
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Al Frankenstein
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Wikipedia:NCT
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