Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 1

November 1
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 1, 2023.

Genocide of Albanians in the Balkan Wars
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 * The result of the discussion was No consensus * Pppery * it has begun... 04:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Genocide of Albanians in the Balkan Wars → Massacres of Albanians in the Balkan Wars (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a helpful or useful redirect. The redirect name is not one that's common or applied in sources for anyone to search for when seeking the target article, which itself is a descriptive title. Griboski (talk) 16:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  22:38, 25 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:30, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep This redirect applies the use of the word "genocide" for the same reason the "genocide question" section was created on the target article. I'd argue that it isn't unlikely somebody seeking an article like this would begin with "genocide of ..." followed by whatever group (Albanians in this case). Yung Doohickey (talk) 19:38, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Custom Battle System
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:01, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Custom Battle System → RPG Maker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Simply too vague a term to redirect to a single engine like this. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This was created from a merge to the target, and I have tagged the redirect as R from merge. Jay  💬 06:19, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * A merge of content with only one significant contributior: . There, I've satisfied attribution concerns and we can leave it to its fate. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:57, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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The Legend of the Philosopher's Stone
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The Legend of the Philosopher's Stone → RPG Maker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target at all. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:24, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete: ... and aside from the nom's reason, this seems an extraordinarily unlikely search term.   Ravenswing     05:21, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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Final Fallacy
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 8%23Final Fallacy

Paw (internet)
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East Croydon
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List of 2D games
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * List of 2D games → List of platform game series (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect was incorrectly created. Platformers do not encompass all 2D games. I suggest deletion as out of scope for where it points. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:24, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * delete clearly not. Some platformers uses 3D graphics, many non-platformers uses 2D graphics. Most platformers have limited into-the-screen travel, instead of being a pure platform, so limited 3D. Many games with 3d graphics used 2D gameplay, etc -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 12:48, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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National Produce Stakes
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 8%23National Produce Stakes

Snickers dick vein
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Junlper. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Snickers dick vein → Snickers (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The snickers dick vein hoax isn't mentioned in the Snickers article any longer. However, it is mentioned at Junlper, which seems like a reasonable redirect target. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 14:55, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I agree with the content removal from Snickers, but a re-target is fine with me. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:59, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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Talk:Cultural catholic
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Talk:Cultural Christians. (non-admin closure) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 11:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Talk:Cultural catholic → Talk:Dissenting Catholicism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

We've currently got Talk:Cultural Catholic, which is a standalone talk page from before when an article was merged (the article was merged into Cultural Christians, which is where Cultural catholic currently points). However, this redirect goes elsewhere, to the talk page of a different article entirely.

I think that the redirect should either go to Talk:Cultural Catholic or Talk:Cultural Christian, but I'm unsure which is better because of the wrinkle of the one being an article-space redirect to the other but maintaining a separate talk page. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 14:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Talk pages should be synced with their parent pages. So retarget to Cultural Christians. Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  20:16, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Talk:Cultural Christians which I assume what also meant.  Jay  💬 06:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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Lizzie(Cars)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 20:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Lizzie(Cars)">Lizzie(Cars) → List of Cars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the inappropriate spacing. The redirect Lizzie (Cars) exists and points to the correct target. TNstingray (talk) 14:33, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Duckmather (talk) 15:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 13:58, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete due to malformed modifier. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:10, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was at this title for less than 2 months in 2006.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 21:17, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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Monkey Actors
<span id="Boo Boo (Monkey)"> <span id="Mercedes (Monkey)"> <span id="Levi (Monkey)"> <span id="Tara (Monkey)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 10%23Monkey Actors

JUNIPER
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Grade A producer of grapes
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 06:46, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Grade A producer of grapes → Quinta classification of Port vineyards in the Douro (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I've created a shorter title for the target but is the "grade A producer of grapes" really only associated with Port vineyards in the Douro? JMWt (talk) 19:37, 23 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 09:16, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that the target was moved to Douro quinta classification after the redirect was nominated, so the redirect did not update. There is a US "A" grade for canned grapes; the USDA grades all whole grapes by number grades ("No. 1", etc.) or by terms like "extra fancy" and "fancy export". At least Canada and Australia grade by numbers as well, though I can't say exclusively. I'm finding it difficult to find any official sources on grape grading; most end up in subjective discussions about the quality of wines produced by the grapes rather than the actual fruit's quality, as well as several wineries with their own grading system. This is not a pagemove redirect and on the balance I think it would be best to delete, due to the potential for confusion and surprise. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:07, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete search indicates no connection, not even any uses elsewhere notably. Yoblyblob (talk) 13:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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Native forest
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Anton Zlobin
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:43, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Anton Zlobin → HC Spartak Moscow (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Previously deleted obscure NN player who has played for more than one Russian team (as well as four different minor/junior league teams), and therefore the redirect fails WP:XY.   Ravenswing     08:02, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete due to connection with other clubs. Yoblyblob (talk) 13:13, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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Suzanne Tinker
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . The entry was not considered suitable for mention at the target, and not notable for a standalone article.  Jay  💬 06:58, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Suzanne Tinker → Spice Girls (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target or anywhere else in English WP, and not linked from anywhere in mainspace. Delete. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 04:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: She was an auditionee for the group (and one of the final 12), but her group of four wasn't chosen. Not sure what to say at the moment, but it might be worth considering. Regards, SONIC  678  04:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you wrote is accurate, but most sites on the web which mention her are likely to be considered unreliable sources. Another possibility is she failed to show for an audition and her group went through, but with Geri Halliwell taking her place. It's not as if she was like Pete Best (The Beatles) who was actually a performing musician. Would you advocate all of the other 'nearly' Spice Girls get a mention? I can't find any indication of any involvement in the music industry other than almost being a Spice Girl. I still think she is not notable and still say Delete. 2A00:23C2:8B08:E501:F50F:AAEE:237A:FF84 (talk) 05:27, 18 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Her name redirects to the Spice_Girls article. She is not mentioned in the article. Her claim to fame is that she auditioned (but was not a member) of  Touch , a band that went on to become the Spice Girls. Her inclusion in Category:Musicians from Sheffield appears to be spurious. I can't find any evidence that she has had a successful career in music. Delete 2A00:23C2:8B08:E501:F50F:AAEE:237A:FF84 (talk) 04:48, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: One more try. The target article has not yet been expanded with the Gulf News reference. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 07:06, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand article - there's not much, but Gulf News has an article just about Tinker and her auditions for the group that later became the Spice Girls. The source could be used to describe Tinker being selected for the final round of auditions but failing to attend because of the bomb scare in the Tube, and how her absence forced the group to hold new auditions in which Geri Halliwell was selected. That seems like relevant info to the band's history. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:34, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * My social life has suffered for the last couple of years due to family commitments. I'm going to be resuming my normal habits in a few weeks which means I'll be hanging out with musician friends again who have had various degrees of success. A couple of them have had TV appearances, some success locally, nationally, and internationally with another (wiki listed) band referencing them in a couple of songs. Another of them has had a very successful career, playing with the likes of Count Basie and being the member of an internationally known group for more than a couple of years performing on one of the best-selling albums in the United Kingdom, as well as spending some time as a university music lecturer. (He does get a mention in a wiki article). I would never consider creating an entry for any of them with redirects to bands they have played with or bands that have referenced them in songs. As things stand Suzanne Tinker appears in Category:Musicians from Sheffield. The main reason the redirect is in place is because her (non signed) career is not notable. I just think the bar is set too low if the redirect (and her subsequent inclusion in Category:Musicians from Sheffield) remains in place. She was a Wannabe Spice Girl who sings in a bar somewhere. Delete. 92.17.90.69 (talk) 18:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete. This falls below the threshold of notability for mention in the Spice Girls article, and it therefore misleads the reader to have the redirect exist at all. BD2412  T 19:44, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: If someone tried to put the GulfNews piece in the article, it would be taken right back out again; everything in it comes from an interview of Tinker, with no sign of it being independently vetted. What, could I claim that my own real name was a credible search term as long as I suckered a blogger into thinking that I nearly was signed by the Boston Bruins if only it wasn't for some mishap or another?  No.  This just isn't a credible, or likely, search term.   Ravenswing      15:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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Seme(dagger)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 07:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Seme(dagger)">Seme(dagger) → Seme (dagger) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to lack of space between title and disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Seme (dagger), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:05, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per unusual space in title Yoblyblob (talk) 13:14, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 13:57, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was at this title for a few hours in 2006.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 21:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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Tales(role-playing game series)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 07:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Tales(role-playing game series)">Tales(role-playing game series) → Tales (video game series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to lack of space between title and disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Tales (role-playing game series), is a redirect that targets the same target as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete due to unusual space and nom Yoblyblob (talk) 13:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom as housekeeping. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 13:56, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete although its existed since 2005 its always been a redirect.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 21:21, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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Lindsay Lohan's third album
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 12:43, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Lindsay Lohan's third album → Lindsay Lohan discography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There does not seem to be a "third" album mentioned at the target, existence or upcoming, leaving the redirect unclear on what it refers. Steel1943 (talk) 06:46, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep There is half a paragraph of sourced prose in the lead about a third album, beginning with the sentence . Thryduulf (talk) 10:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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La Lohan
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 07:04, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * La Lohan → Lindsay Lohan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection the redirect and the target article's subject unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 06:45, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. IMDB describes this as a nickname, and every single result for "La Lohan" is about the target. I've not found a reliable source that makes the connection in an easily citable way, but e.g., and  use "La Lohan" in the headline and "Lindsey Lohan" in the body, New York Magazine uses it as a tag for articles about her but doesn't use it in the prose. Someone using this search term is unambiguously looking for the target, and while a mention would be good it's not essential. Thryduulf (talk) 10:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Reasonable connection between the two with seemly consistent usage Yoblyblob (talk) 13:16, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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Lezlo
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  06:46, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Lezlo → Lindsay Lohan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Lezzlo → Lindsay Lohan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Neither of these redirects are mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirects and the target subject unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 06:43, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm guessing these are derogatory nicknames, but I'm unable to confirm that as I can't find any sources (reliable or otherwise) that use either term in connection and Lohan in the same context. Thryduulf (talk) 10:30, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's a nickname that was used by Perez Hilton and directed towards Lohan. But that isn't mentioned in the article, and we don't really help our readers with this, so I lean towards deletion. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 15:00, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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Playground (Lindsay Lohan single)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Pharrell Williams production discography. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:04, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Playground (Lindsay Lohan single)">Playground (Lindsay Lohan single) → Lindsay Lohan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Playground (Lindsay Lohan)">Playground (Lindsay Lohan) → Lindsay Lohan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Playground (Lindsay Lohan & Pharrell song)">Playground (Lindsay Lohan & Pharrell song) → Lindsay Lohan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, Lindsay Lohan discography, or any of the articles for the albums released by the target article's subject. Apparently though, this subject is mentioned in Pharrell Williams production discography. Also, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 June 7 and Articles for deletion/Playground (Lindsay Lohan song) for potential precedence. Steel1943 (talk) 06:36, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Pharrell Williams production discography per nom. The other mentioned RfD had resulted in delete because the song was mentioned in multiple articles (Wild Child (film)) at the time, which is no longer the case. Jay  💬 07:29, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Lindsay Dee Joanne Lohan
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination.  Jay  💬 07:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Lindsay Dee Joanne Lohan → Lindsay Lohan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Potential WP:BLP issue as "Joanne" is not mentioned or cited anywhere in the target page. Steel1943 (talk) 06:24, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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Lindsay Lohan Remixes
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination.  Jay  💬 07:16, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Lindsay Lohan Remixes → Lindsay Lohan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no such subject or list mentioned at Lindsay Lohan or Lindsay Lohan discography. Steel1943 (talk) 06:22, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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Lindsay Lohan's Forthcoming Studio Album
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  06:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Lindsay Lohan's Forthcoming Studio Album → Lindsay Lohan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Neither Lindsay Lohan nor Lindsay Lohan discography are clear on what this redirect refers to, potentially leaving this redirect as failed WP:CRYSTAL. Steel1943 (talk) 06:20, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Another relic of the "Spirit in the Dark" era that has outlived its usefulness in preventing article creation.&mdash;Kww(talk) 06:03, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 13:56, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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Spirit in the Dark (Lindsay Lohan album)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  06:44, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Spirit in the Dark (Lindsay Lohan album)">Spirit in the Dark (Lindsay Lohan album) → Lindsay Lohan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Spirit In the Dark (Lindsay Lohan album)">Spirit In the Dark (Lindsay Lohan album) → Lindsay Lohan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Spirit in the Dark (Lindsay lohan album)">Spirit in the Dark (Lindsay lohan album) → Lindsay Lohan discography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Spirit In The Dark (Lindsay Lohan album)">Spirit In The Dark (Lindsay Lohan album) → Lindsay Lohan discography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No such subject mentioned at Lindsay Lohan or Lindsay Lohan discography. Readers looking for such a subject will be left with no information. Steel1943 (talk) 06:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete unless a mention is added. I can find lots of unreliable sources saying that this was the (working? planned?) title of her (unfinished and unreleased) third album, but nothing in reliable sources. If someone is able to verify it in a reliable source it should be mentioned in the lead of the discography article where it talks about her third album, and at that point these redirects will have value but not until then. Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Historically this was a constantly recreated article, despite failing at AFD, due to a huge number of unreliable sources repeating rumours about it. That problem seems to have disappeared.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:55, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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Pinacolyl
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  06:44, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Pinacolyl → Pinacolyl alcohol (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Dubious target; this radical is also present in Soman, and google searches also point to other compounds that don't have their own articles but are possibly notable, mostly methyl phosphonates. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 04:32, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as the term is merely a partial title match for numerous compounds. Mdewman6 (talk) 15:56, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete similar rationale as discussion on phenethyl. &#8213; Synpath 00:42, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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Herbal smoking blends
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Herbal cigarette. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Herbal smoking blends → Synthetic cannabinoids (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Hello, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Herbal_smoking_blends&redirect=no Herbal Smoking Blends to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_cannabinoids.

This redirect makes no sense and is simply inaccurate. I recommend it be removed for this reason. The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)

Herbal Smoking Blends are not "Synthetic Cannabinoids". Simply do a google search for herbal smoking blends. Thank you for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SleepySusan (talk • contribs) 01:59, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Herbal cigarette which is the (much poorer than I expected) article we have about this topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:39, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Why would you redirect herbal smoking blends to herbal cigarettes? Are herbal cigarettes used for tea? Herbal Smoking Blends are not herbal cigarettes. Just remove the redirect. SleepySusan (talk) 13:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I suspect when the topic is left people will start adding content. This is the first time I have contributed here so I am very new to this, but redirecting a topic just because no one had added content yet does not seem to be a good thing to do. SleepySusan (talk) 14:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to herbal cigarette per Thryduulf. From Google, it seems that an "herbal smoking blend" is a mixture of herbs and other plant matter, which may or may not contain tobacco but evidently never contain cannabis, which are smoked for various therapeutic effects. I don't see any indication of them being used for tea, although their content suggests they could be used to brew a tisane. The only real difference I can see from herbal cigarettes is that the cigarettes are sold prepackaged and ready to smoke, while the smoking blend products are sold loose and meant to be rolled by the user, like dried flower cannabis. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:43, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Tisane is herbal tea. Herbal smoking blends used as tea are called herbal teas or tisane. It says right in your linked content that tisane is herbal tea. There is more than just a little indication they are used as tea. Herbal Smoking Blends and Teas Smoking and Tea Herbs Herbal Blends Organic Relaxing Herbal Smokable Tea Blend I could like dozens more. Yes, herbal cigarettes are made with herbs, as is herbal tea, but they are all different products. One problem with this forward suggestion is that herbal smoking blends are far more popular than herbal cigarettes. Another thing that makes this forward suggestion seem odd is the fact that herbal cigarettes are herbal smoking blends pre-rolled into cigarettes. Herbal cigarettes are made from herbal smoking blends. If anything, herbal cigarettes should be forwarded into herbal smoking blends. SleepySusan (talk) 18:05, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to herbal cigarette. A "herbal smoking blend" is evidently used for smoking, as opposed to a "herbal blend", which is not what we're discussing. A herbal smoking blend might be used in a pipe, but we don't have an article about that, or a mention at Pipe smoking. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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