Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 22

November 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 22, 2023.

Life Speaks to Me (lyric video)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 30%23Life Speaks to Me (lyric video)

Turkish Nazi
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 30%23Turkish Nazi

Bharat(India)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 29%23Bharat(India)

Bayport(The Hardy boys)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  19:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Bayport(The Hardy boys) → The Hardy Boys (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. However, the title that matches this title with the proper spacing, Bayport (The Hardy boys), does not exist, but the title with the proper capitalization and spacing, Bayport (The Hardy Boys), does exist and targets the same target as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 18:07, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was an article for several minutes in 2013 without any useful content and edit history has been moved anyway.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:36, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:RDAB. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:46, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:30, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 10:30, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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Leviathan(myhtology)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . wbm1058 (talk) 18:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Leviathan(myhtology) → Leviathan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to both lack of a space between the title and the disambiguator, and the misspelled disambiguator "myhtology" (should be "mythology".) Steel1943  (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was an article for about 7 minutes in 2007 and edit history has now been moved.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:46, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:30, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:17, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 10:28, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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Reliant K
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:17, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Reliant K → Plymouth Reliant (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm curious if it's more likely that people searching for the band Relient K would use this alternative spelling. The target page notes that the car has been referred to as "Reliant K" and currently has a hatnote to the band. The redirect originally went to the band in 2009, then was switched to the car the following day. It has not been updated since. I think it would be better to switch the targets. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 17:16, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think it is about equally likely to apply to either; fourteen years in the same place suggests some consensus for keeping it there; stability is typically a positive. The hatnote at Plymouth Reliant suffices in my eyes.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  18:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - appropriate hatnotes will make readers know which pages they should read should they initially go to the wrong page. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 20:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SMALLDETAILS. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk &#124; edits) Feel free to ping me! 00:16, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Change - As someone who was looking for the band, my vote would be to change it to a disambiguation page. 2601:281:CF82:880:5DD7:935B:FA1F:B17D (talk) 17:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per others above. There's already a hatnote at the current target to help those looking for the band. CycloneYoris talk! 20:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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Pepe's
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 29%23Pepe's

DDDD
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * DDDD → Pruning (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Literally no reason for this to redirect here. Delete TypoEater (talk) 15:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: The page does reference "the 4 D's", but I feel like this is a limited use case with a lot of opportunities for WP:SURPRISE. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 17:07, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambig. The target article does state in the lead "Some try to remember the categories as "the 4 D's"", so there is a connection to the target. However there is also Dead Dead Demon's Dededede Destruction (yes that's 5 Ds but apparently not in the original Japanese), a Bra size, one designation for the D (musical note) in the Subsubcontra octave and an art collective Sharon Gilchrist was part of. It's also a notation in various articles about date formatting (Date format by country is the most general place it seems to be defined but there might be a better target). Thryduulf (talk) 17:16, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * DDDDisambiguate per Thryduulf. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk &#124; edits) Feel free to ping me! 00:09, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate (drafted). There's also a WP:DABMENTIONed song and album by this name. The current target can go in WP:DABSEEALSO along with the much more historically-significant Four Ds. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 08:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * DDDDabify per current draft -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate with the draft. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:25, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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Gel guards
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  07:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Delete. Non-notable alien; the original citation is archived here. redirected the page to a list in 2013, but the entry for the creature on the target page at that date was just "Main: The Three Doctors", and he did not merge any info. If not deleted, the merge target should be The Three Doctors (Doctor Who), but that article now says merely "UNIT headquarters faces an attack by shapeless blob-like creatures", not naming them "Gel Guards" as in the BBC citation. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page histories? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  12:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Gel guards → List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Gel Guard → List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
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 * Delete or Add: The critters are no longer listed on the target page. As such, the redirect should be deleted or the critters should be added back to the list. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 17:09, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. The pre-BLAR content were one-liners, and if that couldn't make it to an article or list, it is too trivial to be retained. Jay  💬 07:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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Emergency Meeting
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 29%23Emergency Meeting

Wikipedia:CAPINYOASS
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete (G7). Patently inappropriate  . — Fox 13:43, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * CAPINYOASS → Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm all for derogatory shortcuts to some of our more toxic processes and noticeboards, but this one advocates violence. Please don't shoot the vandals. Blocking's sufficient. —Cryptic 06:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Bagua/Hsing-i
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 07:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Bagua/Hsing-i">Bagua/Hsing-i → Baguazhang (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete: this redirect is not unambiguous. "Bagua" refers to baguazhang, and "Hsing-i" is a shortened form of the Wade-Giles transcription of xingyiquan. So redirecting anywhere doesn't make a lot of sense. SilverStar54 (talk) 05:11, 8 November 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 08:17, 15 November 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the proposed target talk. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 06:08, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Looks like WP:XY. But what about retargeting to the umbrella term Wudangquan? —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Bagua and Hsing-I are very different martial arts, associated only because they are internal styles (neijia), and are described in separate Wikipedia articles: baguazhang and xingyiquan. Also I don't agree with this idea of pointing this to wudangquan as suggested in a comment above, as the history is debatable. Neijia would be better, but it's best to simply delete this. Jōkepedia (talk) 18:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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All work and no play
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. (non-admin closure) —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * All work and no play → All Work & No Play (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I think that this should redirect to the proverb All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy because it is often shortened this way. — Panamitsu (talk) 04:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom, with hatnote.  J947  † edits 09:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Baring the ampersand this is an exact match for the title of the target and there is a hatnote to the proverb. If this is retargetted though there needs to be a hatnote to the album. Thryduulf (talk) 11:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget without hatnote. The article for the proverb has a section for popular media references, and I've added the album there. I believe it's much more likely that people are thinking of the well-known proverb rather than the demo album for a Christian alternative band when they search "All work and no play". Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 17:20, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, there's already a hatnote and most people searching the term probably want to get to the page "All Work & No Play". SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 07:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, SouthParkFan2006 -- Can you explain why you believe people using the search term "All work and no play" are looking for a 1998 demo album rather than a well-known proverb? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 15:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's because "And" is the same as "&". SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 16:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Significa liberdade the argument for retargetting would be very significantly stronger if the album was not regarded as the primary topic for its title. Thryduulf (talk) 12:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Thryduulf and @SouthParkFan2006 -- Since July 2015, the lowest monthly visits to All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy is 10,668 (Pageviews). Conversely, All Work & No Play's highest monthly page view count since July 2015 is 367 (Pageviews). Based on this, as well as the lack of capitalization, I believe it's much more likely that people are looking for the proverb than the album Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SMALLDETAILS. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:41, 24 November 2023 (UTC)</S>
 * Shhhnotsoloud -- In this case, I would argue that SMALLDETAILS argues for redirecting to the proverb. Given that the page for the proverb includes reference to the album, according to SMALLDETAILS, "small details are usually sufficient to distinguish topics", including capitalization and punctuation. In this case, the redirect is in lower case and doesn't use the ampersand, whereas the album is in title case and uses the ampersand. If people were looking for the album, which is less likely based on page counts stated above, they could easily find it on the proverb's page. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You're right: I'm sorry, I made a mistake. Retarget to All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy per WP:SMALLDETAILS. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize, Shhhnotsoloud! :) Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 18:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget: without hatnote per SL. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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John-John
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to John John.  ✗  plicit  07:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * John-John → John F. Kennedy Jr. (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is too vague to be valuable. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to John John: I think with this example WP:DIFFPUNCT is not a strong enough argument to target to JFK Jr, especially with John-John Dohmen also being listed at the DAB. So long as there is no PTOPIC for John John, this seems to be not problematic. If there is a PTOPIC for John John though, that should probably be discussed in an RM to move John John to John John (disambiguation), but as that is not currently the case and citing the possible ambiguity from punctuation, I think the retarget to the DAB should work for now. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 04:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to John John per TartarTorte. Thryduulf (talk) 11:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to John John per TartarTorte. -- Lenticel  ( talk ) 05:34, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to John John as R from modification. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:42, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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Totally Spies! 4: Autour de Monde
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Totally Spies! 4: Autour de Monde">Totally Spies! 4: Autour de Monde → Totally Spies! (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The correct name is Totally Spies! 4: Around the World (which is mentioned in the target article), and I have already created a redirect for that. However, the French name "Totally Spies! 4: Autour de Monde" is not mentioned anywhere in the target article. So, the redirect from the French name should be deleted. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Mythology of Kosovo
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Cultural heritage of Kosovo. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Mythology of Kosovo → Kosovo Myth (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Deletion - redirect suggest mythology of the state or region of Kosovo, meanwhile the target is about Serbian nation-building myth Marcelus (talk) 22:05, 7 November 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow (talk) 00:06, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete different meanings -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 09:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Cultural_heritage_of_Kosovo per nom Yoblyblob (talk) 14:08, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Delete or retarget? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:09, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Cultural heritage of Kosovo. -- ( Roundish  ✡  t ) 01:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Retarget to Cultural heritage of Kosovo. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 06:16, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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