Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 24

November 24
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 24, 2023.

Foreign Secretaries
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Foreign Secretary.  Jay  💬 06:30, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Foreign Secretaries → Ministry of foreign affairs (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Foreign_Secretary or Foreign_Secretary seems like a more logical target. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 21:55, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Retarget or keep? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:37, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. There are several countries that use this title, including India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. Seems reasonable to redirect to the ministry that these people generally work in, rather than a specific British one. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 22:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You make a valid point, but at present Foreign Secretary concerns the British office, while Foreign secretary is a disambiguation page, and both Foreign Secretaries and Foreign secretaries (which used to point to Foreign minister) redirect to Ministry of foreign affairs. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 23:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * |Foreign_Secretary_(India)|Foreign_Secretary_(Pakistan)|Foreign_Secretary_(Bangladesh)|Foreign_Secretary_(Sri_Lanka) Pageview analysis Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 00:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * keep/retarget all variants for the current target indicated in the nomination. Whether the foreign secretary is an equivalent of the foreign minister, or the top bureaucrat in the foreign ministry, or the most senior diplomat in the foreign service, the current ministry target is the proper target. Foreign minister would be incorrect for the bureaucrat uses. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 00:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget this particular redirect to Foreign Secretary per WP:PLURALPT: "the normal situation is that a plural redirects to its singular" and I can't see a reason to deviate from that guideline. Similarly, Foreign secretaries should really target Foreign secretary, although that's not the subject of this RfD. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget to Foreign Secretary per Shhnotsoloud.  J 947  ‡ edits 04:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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Maple leafs
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Toronto Maple Leafs.  Jay  💬 06:44, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Maple leafs → Maple leaf (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The plural form of "leaf" is "leaves", not "leafs". However, there is a hockey team (the Toronto Maple Leafs) that the redirect Maple Leafs points to. I think it's more likely that a user searching for this term would expect to find the hockey team while forgetting to capitalize the term "leafs" than it would be that they forget the plural of "leaf", add an "s" on to the end and seek to find the leaf. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 19:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Retarget to Toronto Maple Leafs? Or to Maple leaf (disambiguation)? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Toronto Maple Leafs – I'm not entirely convinced that the Leafs are the primary topic for this term, but the spelling is fairly unusual. On the other hand, it's a plausible grammar mistake to make, especially if you're learning English (world-renowned for its straightforward grammar and intuitive spelling). The second hatnote at Toronto Maple Leafs covers that fine, though. On the other hand, maybe targeting to Maple leaf (disambiguation) is best, as it represents a compromise between the current target and the proposed one. :Ultimately, we have to guess what people searching "Maple leafs" in the Wikipedia search engine want, and, as we aren't telepathic, we may as well flip a coin. I think the hockey team is the best target, given the hatnote, but not by a wide margin. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:05, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Searching google (which is case insensitive) for "Maple leafs" every hit on the first three pages is related to the hockey team. Adjusting the search term to exclude "Toronto" all but 2 hits on the first three pages were clearly related to the hockey team (one was selling paper maple leaves for craft projects, one refused to display anything to someone in the UK). All-but about 5 on the first three pages were related to the hockey team when both "Toronto" and "hockey" were excluded from the search term. This very strongly indicates that the hockey team is the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 00:49, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * REtarget to Maple leaf (disambiguation), many people misspell the plural, and the disambiguation page lists all uses, including several Leafs and that which might be pluralized that way. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 00:36, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget to Toronto Maple Leafs. Due to (1) the primacy of the sports team over any other use of "maple leaf" in terms of raw viewers, and (2) the fact there is an existing hatnote at that article pointing to Maple leaf (disambiguation) anyway, I'm fine with this solution. It's my impression that a lot of readers search lowercase.  J 947  ‡ edits 04:08, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget either to DAB or Toronto Maple Leafs.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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Home (Basshunter lyric video)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 2%23Home (Basshunter lyric video)

I regret nothing
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . There have been no comments at all since the previous relist, and the discussion overall has been listed for more than a month; another relist won't help. Normally in cases with no consensus and no arguments supporting the current target, the default is to soft delete the page. However, anyone is allowed to refund a soft-deleted page or replace the title with something else, and since a disambiguation page has already been drafted, I'm going to leave it in place. Editorial discussion about the disambiguation should proceed on its talk page. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I regret nothing → Postal (franchise) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target page, nor in references. I would typically have no idea why this redirect exists, but the edit summary states: "'I regret nothing' is what the Dude says before killing himself in EVERY game"

That being said, looking up the phrase on google gives many different results, not often associated with this franchise, so it may be WP:SURPRISEing to anyone that searches this. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I should clarify that there are dozens of videos of the Postal dude saying this phrase before killing himself, and that the phrase is even included in the Postal movie, I can’t link the videos but you can look them up on YouTube. Second of all, it is strongly associated with the series considering Postal 4’s title references the phrase more or less (and intentionally misspells it)-SignedInteger (talk) 02:47, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete not mentioned at the target and I don't think it's particularly primary for this search term (I was expecting the target to be Non, je ne regrette rien).  Hut 8.5  08:05, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm also happy with the disambiguation page suggested below. I wouldn't strongly object to retargeting to Non, je ne regrette rien as it is much better known than the other options, but since it's in the wrong language, is missing part of the phrase and is only one possible translation I'm not sure it's the primary search term.  Hut 8.5  19:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Thoughts on retargeting? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:41, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Too vague to redirect here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Non, je ne regrette rien. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: More input is clearly necessary... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:44, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete this clearly refers to either Adolf Eichmann or Edith Piaf -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 08:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate – Other than already-mentioned Non, je ne regrette rien, there are other targets on WP. Songs/albums include Ich bereue nichts, Jag ångrar ingenting (and Jag ångrar ingenting (song) in that album), She's Got Haggar Party Slacks / I Regret Nothing. There's also the memoir by Jen Lancaster and an episode of Omnibus (mentioned as one of the recipients of the British Academy Television Award for Best Specialist Factual). Randi🦋Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 07:16, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist — any comments on the drafted disambiguation page? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 22:29, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete or Disambiguate: When I Google this term, the first two sites that come up are from TV Tropes and Know Your Meme, neither of which mention the Postal franchise. Urban Dictionary traces the phrase back to The Simpsons. TV Tropes describes it as a "Stock Phrase used by characters about to or after having done some crazy action, especially if it could result in dying." As such, I think it's irresponsible to redirect to a specific franchise. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 18:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Drafted a disambig page at the redirect. Did not add the Omnibus episode as the mention is in a list article, and not Omnibus, hence too minor. Jay  💬 03:15, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Radical Party of Great Britiain
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Radical Party of Great Britiain → Giovanni Di Stefano (fraudster) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm not sure of the common outcomes at RFD discussions about misspellings in Redirect page titles but this is a bad one. Plus, we already have Radical Party of Great Britain as a correctly spelled Redirect page. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, unlikely misspelling so no redirect needed. Warofdreams talk 23:44, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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2023–24 Sydney Thunder WBBL season
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 06:59, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="2023–24 Sydney Thunder WBBL season">2023–24 Sydney Thunder WBBL season → 2022–23 Sydney Thunder WBBL season (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect title refers to the current season (2023–24 Women's Big Bash League season) and target points to the previous season (2022–23 Women's Big Bash League season. Beefaloe (formerly SpursySituation) (talk) 21:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Huh? * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:33, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
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Funny jokes
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Current political issues
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  15:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Current political issues → Politics of the United States (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is much too generic a title to redirect to a page about the politics of a single country, let alone one which doesn't discuss the current political issues in the country. There is coverage of current political issues of some countries, e.g. Political issues in India, Political issues in Spain, etc, but I've not found an index to them and I'm not sure this the best title to create one at. Thryduulf (talk) 14:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete: absolutely should not target an individual countries' politics page, and the title is a little to vague to properly disambiguate. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 15:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete LMFAO! How was this redirect surviving for 16 years??? This is clearly Americentrism and should be deleted. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 18:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 10:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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Current Political Issues of the United States
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 1%23Current Political Issues of the United States

Magnificat BWV 243 / Cantata "Ich habe genug" BWV 82
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedily deleted by Materialscientist under criterion G5  . Thryduulf (talk) 12:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Magnificat BWV 243 / Cantata &quot;Ich habe genug&quot; BWV 82">Magnificat BWV 243 / Cantata "Ich habe genug" BWV 82 → Magnificat (Bach) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Was at first created as an article about a Naxos album. Now it redirects to Magnificat (Bach), which doesn't make sense as the redirect title also refers to BWV 82. The album itself doesn't appear to be notable per WP:NMUSIC. —*Fehufangą (✉ Talk · ✎ Contribs) 11:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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Bihar Cricket Team
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Withdrawn by nominator in comment with no votes other than keep (non-admin closure) <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:34, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Bihar Cricket Team → Bihar cricket team (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This was created without discussion and used in breach of MOS standard for page titles. It serves no useful purpose and should be removed. Batagur baska (talk) 10:39, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: the MoS doesn't apply to redirect titles. This is a R from miscapitalisation.  J 947  ‡ edits 10:42, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per J947. Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per J947., redirects like this generally do serve a purpose... for people who don't know how to title things correctly as per the MOS. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 15:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per J947, Thryduulf, and Edward. This capitalization doesn't hurt things, and it's potentially helpful. Regards, SONIC  678  15:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Okay. Best to close this as a keep. Thanks for the feedback, all. Batagur baska (talk) 15:50, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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Israel–Hamas war
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 00:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Israel–Hamas war">Israel–Hamas war → 2023 Israel–Hamas war (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This should redirect to Gaza–Israel conflict, because the 2023 war is not the first one, see Gaza War (2008–2009) and 2014 Gaza War. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 00:15, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and add a hatnote if needed. The ongoing conflict is the clear primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf (though best to return here in ~a year). If the reader is searching up "Israel–Hamas war" today, it is very clear that they are looking for the ongoing conflict.  J 947  ‡ edits 10:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 14:58, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Parham wiki (talk) 17:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Let's be real, everyone searching that term is looking for the current war. Besides, the current Gaza conflict is way more intensive than the previous two ones. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 18:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Make disambiguation page to the more notable wars/battles/conflicts. While this may be the one that most readers are interested in now, in a year it may switch. That, and there's always a good chance they're not looking for the current war. - AquilaFasciata (talk &#124; contribs) 19:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If the primary topic changes in the future we can (and should) retarget the redirect then. A hatnote to Gaza–Israel conflict will be fine for those people looking for other topics. Thryduulf (talk) 20:37, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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Nogger
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedily deleted  . To make way for an accepted AfC submission. (non-admin closure) —Alalch E. 15:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Nogger → List of Unilever brands (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. See also Nogger Black. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:01, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Make into article, I think an article for this ice cream brand would be a good solution. I'm making one in my sandbox now. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 18:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Article is now there - with sources. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 17:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @SouthParkFan2006 I have draftified your Nogger article created over this redirect, see Draft:Nogger. The content was not ready for mainspace. The topic may be notable but the references do not demonstrate notability, much of the content was unsourced, and there is a significant reliance on primary sources. Please consider submitting through AfC. Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. —Alalch E. 00:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.—Alalch E. 00:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete to make way for an AFC Draft. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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