Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 25

November 25
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 25, 2023.

Parralel lives
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  ✗  plicit  23:49, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Parralel lives → Parallel Lives (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete because of the uncommon misspelling for the redirect. --Bumpf said this! ooh clicky clicky! [insert witty meta-text on wiki-sigs here] 21:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Based on the number of occurrences of this spelling on talk pages and in file descriptions this seems to be a very common misspelling. Thryduulf (talk) 00:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I always have to think about how to spell "parallel", so I'm pretty sure lots of people spell it wrong. This title isn't needed for anything else, so keeping it is harmless anyway.  P Aculeius (talk) 14:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per Thryduulf and P Aculeius. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep clearly a common misspelling; though perhaps retarget to the disambiguation page Parallel Lives (disambiguation) -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 12:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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Heather Hannoura
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:52, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Heather Hannoura → Laura Jane Grace (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete: This redirect discourages the creation of Heather Hannoura's article. Deleting it would encourage article creation. It serves no other purpose than redirecting to Laura Jane Grace, her former wife, and reliable sources, providing information that they were married, are common and can be easily found. &mdash; CrafterNova  [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 19:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per CrafterNova. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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University of Notre Dame Folk Choir
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Two of the three participants agreed with keeping. Also, to alleviate Red-tailed hawk's worries about WP:REDYES, I'll tag this redirect with R from possibilities. (non-admin closure) Duckmather (talk) 02:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * University of Notre Dame Folk Choir → University of Notre Dame (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The folk choir isn't mentioned in the target article. This might be a case of WP:REDYES, as the group's probably notable, but I don't think that the redirect is appropriate if they're not mentioned in the target. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 18:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm, this is weird. Thanks for flagging this down. Seems the page was created as a redirect? Pinging the user who created it . Eccekevin (talk) 03:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I created this to resolve a prominent redlink at J.J. Wright (composer), which appeared in DYK earlier this year, and a redirect to University of Notre Dame seemed appropriate. —  RAVEN PVFF   · talk  · 15:30, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it is okay as it stands. It might merit a page in the future, but before that is written this is the most sensible redirect. Eccekevin (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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☄️
  Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 7%23☄️

Marilyn (Mario character)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:52, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Marilyn (Mario character) → Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:REDYES. Not mentioned at target. The history is not worth keeping. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk &#124; edits) Feel free to ping me! 17:29, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete this redirect exists because Articles for deletion/Marilyn (Mario character) closed as "merge" in May 2005. The information about Marilyn (at the time of the AfD it was "The biggest Shadow Siren in the bunch. Other than one line, she is unable to say more than "Guh", and various forms of it. She can become stronger and hit hard.") and other playable characters was removed in this September 2005 edit with the rationale that it was mentioned in another article, without specifying which one. Wherever it was then, the content doesn't seem to exist anywhere now so there is nowhere suitable to point the redirect and no requirement to keep it for attribution purposes. Thryduulf (talk) 00:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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The Star Beast
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . No consensus has developed as to whether there really is a primary topic, or if the "The" is a distinctive difference between the options here. Leaving it in the current form as a disambiguation page covering both appears to be the safe default. ~  mazca  talk 01:34, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The Star Beast → Star Beast (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There are only two "The Star Beast" entries, and the Heinlein novel is much better known than a Dr. Who episode. Clarityfiend (talk) 14:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom: a novel by Heinlein is much better for PTOPIC than a single upcoming Doctor Who episode. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 14:24, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm actually proposing that today's page move of the novel be reverted. Clarityfiend (talk) 16:29, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There is a third listed Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm not convinced that the Heinlein novel would be the better target. And I'm not sure why one would dismiss the Doctor Who entry as "a single episode", given it's appeared in multiple forms since 1980. I say this as having read both stories. There is a third one - Star Beast (novel) - and perhaps that can be cleaned up, as there's no indication in the article that the topic is even notable! Nfitz (talk) 23:51, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also keep in mind, that the current redirect at The Star Beast (Doctor Who) would presumably has been replaced by Draft:The Star Beast (Doctor Who). Nfitz (talk) 00:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment. It's a little unclear what is being suggested here, but I would propose that Star Beast (novel) is moved back to Star Beast and The Star Beast becomes a disambiguation page (and a hatnote on Star Beast).  Bear in mind also that we could potentially have an article for The Star Beast (Russell novel) too  -- wooden  superman  12:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also note that the hatnotes at The Star Beast (Doctor Who) currently go against WP:HATNOTERULES. -- wooden superman  12:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Procedurally close until the moves of The Star Beast to The Star Beast (novel) and Star Beast to Star Beast (novel) are contested or reversed at the appropriate forums. Jay  💬 07:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
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Celebi
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 5%23Celebi

Doug Doug
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 7%23Doug Doug

Pan-Primates
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Primatomorpha.  Jay  💬 07:07, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Pan-Primates → Primate (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. jlwoodwa (talk) 07:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment the term is defined as "Pan-Primates includes Primates and all extinct mammals that are more closely related to that crown clade than to any other extant mammals." However there seems to be disagreement about which groups other than primates are actually covered. The term is mentioned in the taxobox (but not prose) at Primatomorpha (the taxonomic rank above pan-primates) and Plesiadapiformes mentions the term prominently in the lead, linking "Pan-Primates" directly to Primate. These might make good redirect targets, but might not - I'd like to see some input from those with subject-matter knowledge so I'll leave a note at the relevant WikiProject. Thryduulf (talk) 13:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Primatomorpha: Per Thryduulf, this is likely to be the better target. UtherSRG (talk) 13:26, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Template:Taxonomy/Pan-Primates and Template:Taxonomy/Plesiadapiformes, which link to Pan-Primates, may need attention once a decision is reached. Certes (talk) 15:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Primatomorpha. This is how it was originally, but it was changed last year. —  Trilletrollet  [ Talk &#124; Contribs ] 22:51, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment someone entering this may be looking for Pan (genus) through incorrect disambiguation. So a hatnote might be a good idea. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 13:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with the hatnote suggestion. Thryduulf (talk) 20:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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Matrix Theory and Linear Algebra
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Matrix Theory and Linear Algebra → Matrix (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:XY. Matrix theory redirects to the same target as the nominated redirect, but Linear algebra is a different topic. Steel1943 (talk) 20:58, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment "Matrix Theory and Linear Algebra" is a standard sort of title of an introductory linear algebra course, probably offered and hundreds of universities, and perhaps also of textbooks intended for such a course. --JBL (talk) 21:09, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems like a potential argument for WP:REDLINK deletion then, if the pairing of these two terms together represent a university course of some sort rather than the target subject. Steel1943  (talk) 21:21, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, the result of "Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 21" may be relevant here regarding setting some sort of precedence. Steel1943  (talk) 21:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That may or may not be relevant. The principle argument for deleting the redirects there was that they were too ambiguous to make a viable disambiguation or set index article, referring to many different courses at multiple levels (at least high school to undergraduate level) in multiple different education systems and institutions. @JBL's comment suggests far less ambiguity in this situation. Thryduulf (talk) 14:00, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you can source that this is a common title, then a page with that as an introduction and links to both topics with a brief (few words) summary of each would make a good set index. Thryduulf (talk) 10:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Speaking from a non-WP-editor perspective, this is easy to verify by putting the phrase into your favorite search engine and looking through a few pages of hits, picking out different universities and textbooks as you go. Of course this is not a WP-usable form of verification, and I am skeptical that one can find much in the way of secondary sources commenting on the fact of the commonness of this phrase.  We can see in the history of this redirect something of what was intended, since it originally pointed to "matrix theory".  This phrase is a partial synonym of "linear algebra", suggesting the less-theoretical aspects of the field, especially as taught in introductory courses with audience largely composed of engineers -- but I don't think we really have an article about that (or, to the extent that we do, the article is already the current target of the redirect).  In the end I've just commented here (rather than !voted) because I don't see that it matters very much: it's easy to understand why the redirect was created and why it points where it does (so its existence isn't harmful), but it's also hard to see a situation where it is crucial for navigation in the encyclopedia (so its deletion also wouldn't be harmful).  --JBL (talk) 18:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete at this capitalisation (which infers a proper name). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete, I don't think a set index would be very valuable here as it would be more unlikely than the sum of its parts, and this title as a whole does not seem to be in dire need of being a redirect to one page or another as in WP:XY. While it may certainly be a topic due being a possible name for a class, it doesn't seem to lend itself well in redirect form as a one-size-fits-all pointer. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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