Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 3

November 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 3, 2023.

Wikipedia:Childname
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete (WP:G7)  . Author requested deletion and it was deleted by  (non-admin closure) TartarTorte 00:27, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Childname → Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Neither useful nor in use - Wikipedia shortcuts are routinely spelled in all capitals, so it's implausible that anyone would use this redirect. — kashmīrī  TALK  18:36, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. CHILDNAME targets the same target as this redirect, and there's no hard requirement that all shortcuts need to be in CAPS. (Yes, it is preferred, but not a requirement.) However, I'm "weak keep" per WP:PANDORA since I understand what the nominator means by their statement. Steel1943  (talk) 19:16, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Struck, for the record, even though the redirect has already been deleted. Steel1943  (talk) 23:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Nominator created the all-caps version today, rather than move the redirect to that version which would have been the proper course of action.-- ☾Loriendrew☽  ☏(ring-ring)  19:56, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This statement contradicts WP:MOVEREDIRECT, specifically the point regarding unnecessarily breaking page edit histories. IMO, the nominator took the correct course of action by creating the new redirect ... but I don't agree with deleting the other (nominated) one. Steel1943  (talk) 20:37, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, I just noticed you are the creator of the nominated redirect. Are you in any way attempting to invoke WP:G7 here? If so, I'll withdraw my "vote". Steel1943  (talk) 20:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That may be the better approach, doing so. Glad to see at least one person used the old redirect, although using WP:COLONTRICK may not capture the total uses.-- ☾Loriendrew☽  ☏(ring-ring)  21:58, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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You know, I'm something of a scientist myself!
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You know, I'm something of a scientist myself! → Spider-Man (2002 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

R from catchphase created by a sockmaster, featuring a phrase not mentioned at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominator note: This is a continuation of a previous set of "redirects from catchphrases". Three of these were nominated a month ago, all deleted: Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 4. These titles are all generally shorter in length than those three, but still just as unmentioned and created by the same user. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:32, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete I am hoping that this (and the others on this page) will go better than Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 26 and follow the longstanding consensus of the community that these redirects aren't helpful. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Infinite. It isn't mentioned on the corresponding Wikiquote page, so I'm not sure it's a plausible redirect. Regards, SONIC  678  23:48, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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You are one ugly motherfucker!
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 11%23You are one ugly motherfucker!

Get in the flask!
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 11%23Get in the flask!

You're not just wrong, you're stupid.
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 11%23You're not just wrong, you're stupid.

Qwarktastic!
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Qwarktastic! → Ratchet & Clank (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

R from catchphase created by a sockmaster, featuring a phrase not mentioned at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:25, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I can't find it anywhere on Wikiquote, and the only results on Google are a bunch of unrelated webpages. Regards, SONIC  678  01:31, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I am hoping that this (and the others on this page) will go better than Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 26 and follow the longstanding consensus of the community that these redirects aren't helpful. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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I think I smell a barbecue!
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 11%23I think I smell a barbecue!

You're my boy, Blue!
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 11%23You're my boy, Blue!

All we had to do was follow the damn train, CJ!
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 11%23All we had to do was follow the damn train, CJ!

I think Coolsville sucks
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I think Coolsville sucks → Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

R from catchphase created by a sockmaster, featuring a phrase not mentioned at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. It's not even mentioned at q:Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed, so it's not a plausible redirect. Regards, SONIC  678  19:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - not needed, only mentioned twice in the film (the latter was said on the air as an exact copy of the first mention) and is rarely significant in this movie. There are no pages which has the string "I think Coolsville Sucks" apart from the seven affected pages which has been edited after this nomination started including this one. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 13:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I am hoping that this (and the others on this page) will go better than Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 26 and follow the longstanding consensus of the community that these redirects aren't helpful. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Pizza time
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:53, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Pizza time → Spider-Man 2 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

R from catchphase created by a sockmaster, featuring a phrase not mentioned at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm surprised this redirect does not target Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Steel1943  (talk) 17:32, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess only if you're not a Marvel fan... InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete this should be about the 30-minute guarantee and the problems that resulted -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 05:26, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I am hoping that this (and the others on this page) will go better than Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 26 and follow the longstanding consensus of the community that these redirects aren't helpful. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete This is also a voiced line in the TMNT arcade game when the characters get a pizza refilling their health.--67.70.101.104 (talk) 04:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per everyone above. There are several pages on Wikiquote where that phrase is mentioned (including that for the target), but I'm not really sure if it's plausible to redirect it to any one of them, so unfortunately, it won't be pizza time for us. Regards, SONIC  678  23:44, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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My pet pig
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:53, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * My pet pig → Pig (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The use of the word "my" and the fact that neither the title of the redirect not the target are subjects with proper names makes this redirect seem like it claims ownership in some way, or that someone is looking up this term to literally find information about their pet pig (which seems to be the case per the article hiding in the edit history of this redirect). Steel1943 (talk) 15:58, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Pet pig and Pet pigs should suffice for that purpose. Brandmeistertalk  16:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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H2ODP
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * H2ODP → Water (data page) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

From my research this appears to more so refer to a water dissolvable paper. I had been unable to find anything that had it refer to the Water data page. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 22:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, whatever this means, it's not mentioned anywhere on enwiki. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * After the explanation below by the creator, definitely delete. We should not be fabricating abbreviations in mainspace for titles that include Wikipedia disambiguator terms. Mdewman6 (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep [if that is my vote as the author matters] It's short for "H2O (Data Page)", I created it and the SEPDP redirect to Standard Electrode Potential (Data Page) because I felt that the long names were only worsened by "(data page)". I request that they be kept unless there is some policy that would forbid/discourage the existence of these redirects, in which case I will not attempt to stop the process. JGHFunRun (talk) 03:31, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * (well actually rereading that, "water" is a short name but I still felt the length of "Water (Data Page)" warranted the creating of the H2ODP redirect) JGHFunRun (talk) 03:33, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If these are supposed to be SHORTCUTs, they are in the wrong namespace, and should be WP:H2ODP and WP:SEPDP as they aren't valid search terms or alternate names with the real world usage -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 06:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 12:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and also delete SEPDP. as they are neologistic protologisms invented on Wikipedia in articlespace, and not shortcuts in projectspace. -- 65.92.244.127 (talk) 03:40, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * COMMENT Neologism and OR fall under wP:RDELETE #8 -- 65.92.244.127 (talk) 03:52, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP:OR and WP:NEO are for writing articles, not creating redirects, and have no significance or relevance in determining if a redirect is valid. Really, redirecting neolgisms to existing terms should be highly encouraged as it will reduce their creation as pages. The question for redirects is whether it obstructs search finding relevant information or facilitates information being retrieved. WP:CHEAP While I'm not sure about custom abbreviations... these redirects do get low but steady hits over the last 90 days. So the argument is literally reduce at least one user's regular navigation experience for... no articulated gain or improvement. - Darker Dreams (talk) 06:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * They should exist as valid search terms. If they do not exist outside of Wikipedia. There is no such topic as "Water (data page)" in the real world outside of Wikipedia, it is just a subpage of the topic "Water". Similarly for SEP's data page. That isn't something that exists outside of Wikipedia, so doesn't have a valid abbreviated search term that would be understandable to the general readership. These fail WP:RDELETE #2 and #5. As others have mentioned these have real world uses for other topics outside of Wikipedia. They suggest that such topics exist on Wikipedia, when the don't, and the target of the redirect isn't a topic, rather just a subpage of extended content where the nominal topic cannot be addressed by the redirect -- 65.92.244.127 (talk) 03:52, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 15:37, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per "someone finds it useful", as evidenced by JGHFunRun's comments. Nobody has suggested that "H2ODP" has any other competing usage; D2 doesn't apply (there's nothing for this to be confused with) and neither does D5 (it's not nonsensical to target a page from an obvious initialism). D8 might apply but I say K5 overrules it. All the same goes for SEPDP. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems to refer to water dissolvable paper. It doesn't seem like we have an article on that, but given that its more common usage is to refer to something else it could lead to WP:SURPRISE. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 20:23, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You're right, it's used in the name or part number of a variety of commercial water-soluble or water-dissolvable paper products, such as . There doesn't seem to be a suitable target for that on Wikipedia, and I'm not having much luck finding sources that could be used to write an article (most are manufacturer press releases and industry blogs about specific products), so this doesn't seem to be a good candidate for an article. The article wouldn't be at this title, anyway. It has its current use now, and if an article is written at some point in the future, we can revisit the redirect then. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:00, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * We just deleted redirects to Venus geography and geodynamics for creative invention of terms, when they made sense from a grammatical point of view, so these redirects to Data Pages don't have that kind of grammatical heft. As one of those terms were used outside of Wikipedia, it would seem to have a much better case for existing than these datapage redirects. -- 65.92.244.127 (talk) 11:58, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Vague redirect to internal jargon - not useful. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:24, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete per Pppery et al. Thryduulf (talk) 18:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Mdewman6. The redirect was created in good faith, but we shouldn't use K5 to justify individual editors' personalized search aids. Jay  💬 06:34, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Mdewman6. Useless abbreviation. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 13:30, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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K-Country
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 * The result of the discussion was Thanks for the ping, 65.92.247.90. Closed as disambiguate: the most helpful option.  Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  12:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * K-Country → Kananaskis Country (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Multiple countries which begin with K. Does not seem to be only connected with one topic. Utopes (talk / cont) 21:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 15:11, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambig. While this doesn't appear to be particularly used for any one country it is a branding used by many radio stations in the US (and 1 in Canada) so I've drafted a disambig for it below the redirect. I'll alert Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio stations as my draft could do with attention from someone familiar with US radio. Thryduulf (talk) 00:01, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. If the consensus is to disambig, then the redirect (currently targetted at WOGK) should be retargetted to here. Thryduulf (talk) 00:01, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment the current target seems to use "K-Country" so it should be included in the new dab page. Kananaskis seems to be K, as in K-Pass [https://explorekananaskis.com/kananaskis-conservation-pass/ etc. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 20:35, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * NOTE This was closed as disambiguate on 2 November 2023 by, whom I think, forgot to close this discussion section -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 04:38, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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The Ashes (rugby league); 2023–
<span id="The Ashes (rugby league); 2023–"> <span id="The Ashes (rugby league; 2023–)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 10%23The Ashes (rugby league); 2023–

Stockholm/S, Sweden
<span id="Stockholm/S, Sweden"> <span id="Stockholm/G, Sweden"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 10%23Stockholm/S, Sweden

Apple software piracy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:53, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Apple software piracy → Copyright infringement (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Based on the history, this was originally an article that violated WP policies, leading to it becoming a redirect. Given that it was not conceived as a redirect in the first place, the lack of value of the edit history, and the overly specific title for the much more general target article, I recommend deletion. Anonymous 14:40, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete The original article is now RD1'd due to unattributed copying from Apple Inc. Isn't it ironic? –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:07, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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Boxing at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's lightweight
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 10%23Boxing at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's lightweight

Sticky charly
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Sticky charly → LGBT slang (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target page. Tea2min (talk) 11:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Searches yield no connection, maybe with Sticky Charlie? Can’t find any clear links anywhere. Yoblyblob (talk) 12:06, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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Muscle Mary
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 10%23Muscle Mary

Gym bunny
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 10%23Gym bunny

乱
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 11%23乱

Indonesian Red Crescent Society
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:53, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Indonesian Red Crescent Society → Indonesian Red Cross Society (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These are two different organizations (Red Crescent in Indonesian, Red Cross in Indonesian) Braganza (talk) 21:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * oh it was an undo of vandalism
 * (it was originally known "Indonesian Red Cross Society", then it was moved to "Indonesian Red Crescent Society" by Datu Dong who was banned, then it was moved back to "Indonesian Red Crescent Society" by KuRiZu creating this redirect, i don't know if this is enough for speed deletion) Braganza (talk) 21:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete under criterion G3 per the nominator. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 09:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
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Where the Angels Fall
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy retarget to Where The Angels Fall  . I'm closing this discussion early because there is no chance it will result in any other outcome. Redirects from plausible alternative capitalizations are almost always acceptable. (non-admin closure) Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 02:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Where the Angels Fall → The Cat Empire  (talk · links · history · stats)      [ Closure:  ]

Where the Angels Fall is an album by The Cat Empire. Currently, "Where the Angels Fall" (note the uncapitalised "the") redirects to the page for The Cat Empire (as in the band's article), even though the album has its own Wikipedia page now. I am of the belief that this redirect is no longer applicable. SupremeLordBagel (talk) 22:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy retarget to Where The Angels Fall as a . Lowercase "the" is extremely common in titles so it is extremely likely that people will search for the album at this capitalisation (and some methods of finding Wikipedia articles are case sensitive). Thryduulf (talk) 00:47, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
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