Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 8

November 8
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 8, 2023.

Final Fallacy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Final Fallacy → RPG Maker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article, even as a notable game made with the engine. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:35, 1 November 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete There's nothing of value there, just an unsourced article from 2005. Its nonexistence as an article for 17 years (whereas normally WP:PROD only takes seven days) can be seen as sufficient support. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:11, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Suprise per delete. (Yeah, I don't get it either.) Steel1943  (talk) 05:29, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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Alex Scherff
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:55, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Alex Scherff → Minnesota Twins minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

non notable minor league player who is no longer with the Twins org Spanneraol (talk) 22:57, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Tyler Herb
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:55, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Tyler Herb → Milwaukee Brewers minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

not listed at target article and no longer in the Brewers minor league system Spanneraol (talk) 22:35, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Luis Contreras (baseball)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:55, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Luis Contreras (baseball) → Milwaukee Brewers minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

not listed at target article and no longer in the Brewers minor league system Spanneraol (talk) 22:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Angelo Castellano
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:55, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Angelo Castellano → Kansas City Royals minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

non notable player, not listed at target article and no longer in Royals organization Spanneraol (talk) 22:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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National Produce Stakes
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 15%23National Produce Stakes

Ryan Nutof
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Ryan Nutof → Cincinnati Reds minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

not mentioned at target page and not currently in the Reds minor league system Spanneraol (talk) 21:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Jhonny Pereda
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Jhonny Pereda → Cincinnati Reds minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target page and he is not currently a member of the Reds organization Spanneraol (talk) 21:43, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Yonathan Perlaza
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Yonathan Perlaza → Chicago Cubs minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Subject is not mentioned at target page as he is not in the Cubs system anymore. Spanneraol (talk) 21:25, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Gilbert Lara
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 16%23Gilbert Lara

Paw (internet)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Paw (internet)">Paw (internet) → SMS language (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete; this isn't mentioned in the article's extensive list of examples and a Google search of "paw internet" found a wide variety of results, none of which had anything to do with the definition given in the edit summary of this redirect's creation. Anonymous 19:02, 1 November 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 20:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:11, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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Sandox
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 18:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Sandox → Sandbox (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Does not seem like a plausible misspelling for "sandbox". Searching the term up exactly how this is spelled on Google gives results about a drug/medicine tablet branded as that. 1033Forest (talk) 18:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete as potentially misleading. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 00:19, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete seems to be a brand of Doxycycline. Probably confusing for those searching for the drug. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete nothing on Google for sandboxes for this term.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:29, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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JUNIPER
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 15%23JUNIPER

Desperation Move
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  04:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Desperation Move → Superpower (ability) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Desperation Attack → Superpower (ability) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Desperation Move is an avoided double redirect of Desperation Attack, which was in turn a redirect left behind from a move to Desperation attack, which was in turn an article "that had something to do with video games" that was converted to a redirect before being deleted in 2016, after Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 10. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:28, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: For another opinion on Desperation Move. Also, notified of this discussion at the talk of proposed target Desperado (chess). Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 07:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete both per the result of Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 10. -- ( Roundish  ✡  t ) 23:36, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget the former to Desperado (chess), which is also known as a "desperation move". The latter can probably be safely deleted. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 00:03, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Source? InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:13, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Pinging in case he missed.  Jay  💬 08:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand this as common parlance, but I think that there's quite a good number of examples of use that was in Chess Review if you take a good read through the whole issue, for example. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 00:51, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete someone could write an article on such WP:REDLINK to cover various desperation moves, such as attacks, hail marys, desperation versions of Breakout (military)/Relief (military), feints, etc. and other intentionally selected low probability moves in order to seek relief from an oppressive encumbrance -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 03:10, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:REDLINK per the IP above the relist. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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YourPritam
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 * The result of the discussion was closed as speedy deleted  . By  as a WP:G5  - Created by a banned or blocked user (Your Pritam) in violation of ban or block).  Jay  💬 10:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * YourPritam → Gosainbaganer Bhoot (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target has a mention of the actor in the cast. However, the actor is listed in the cast of multiple films on enwiki, no reason to have the current target as the primary. Delete. Jay 💬 05:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Sanbox
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 13:11, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Sanbox → Horse tack (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target term not mentioned in article, and searching this word exactly how it's spelled on Google gives results about a Q-Logic SANbox. 1033Forest (talk) 05:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Nothing returned to show that this was even remotely related to horses. Why? I Ask (talk) 06:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. While googling for "Sanbox" "horse" -Wikipedia does produce some results they are exclusively typos for "sandbox" and none are obviously related to horse tack. Thryduulf (talk) 10:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:39, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. As an explanation, see the history of Horse racing equipment for how the page started at the title User:Hitterperez/sandbox, moved to mainspace, moved back to "sanbox" as the editor may have lost track of the exact title where the page was previously. Jay  💬 06:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
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Bagua/Hsing-i
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 15%23Bagua/Hsing-i

🔞
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Kogen Province, North Korea
<span id="Kogen Province, North Korea"> <span id="Kogen, North Korea"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 15%23Kogen Province, North Korea

Kogen Province, South Korea
<span id="Kogen Province, South Korea"> <span id="Kogen, South Korea"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 15%23Kogen Province, South Korea

Fu-chien County
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Fu-chien County, Taiwan
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 16%23Fu-chien County, Taiwan

Events in rail transport
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 * The result of the discussion was set-indexify  . (non-admin closure) —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 08:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Events in rail transport → 2009 in rail transport (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Rail transport did not only exist in 2009. (The day is January 1st... 2010... all rails have instantly disappeared. The events have finished happening. It's over. The ships won.) Utopes (talk / cont) 05:31, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * but ships are not so good on land – I think that the cars won really. Sore point considering yesterday's announcement — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 14:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 21:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting for a stronger consensus... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 04:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Set indexify, linking to History of rail transport, List of years in rail transport, Rail transport by country, Lists of rail accidents, Timeline of railway history and anything else appropriate we have. Thryduulf (talk) 09:49, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Created due to me moving it back following a . Probably re-point to List of years in rail transport — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 14:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Why assume someone is looking for a list organised by year rather than lists organised by location or type of event? Thryduulf (talk) 21:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Timeline of railway history, which has the major events listed in one place. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:21, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Timeline of railway history per Tavix; very helpful target. Not entirely sold, however, that everyone using this search term are referring to events over time.  J947  † edits 02:53, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Setindexify.  J947  † edits 21:46, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Retarget to Timeline of railway history — the other pages cross-link — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 14:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @GhostInTheMachine: Could you clarify your recommendation for this discussion? You have two conflicting !votes to retarget — please strike one. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:25, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist — undetermined consensus between retargeting and set-indexifying. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:23, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I still think a set index is the best choice here as there is no indication that someone wants to see a chronological rather than topical or geographical list. I don't understand what GhostInTheMachine means by "the other pages cross-link" as there are navigation templates or similar on the timeline article. Thryduulf (talk) 10:19, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I've now drafted a set index below the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 11:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Now that the draft is out there, Thryduulf's set index looks helpful. Jay  💬 17:23, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Set index per Thryduulf. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:17, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Set index per Thryduulf. The draft looks good to me. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Set index will do as drafted — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 10:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:31, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Why is that preferable to the set index? Thryduulf (talk) 23:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Listicle
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:21, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Listicle → Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * LISTICLE → Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no information at the target about listicles, which is what I was looking for when trying out this as a possible source of information for advice about listicles, whether that be for notability, reliability, usefuless, whatever. I don't know if there was at the time of redirect creation, but as things stand now, this is just unhelpful at best, and misleading at worst, so I simply suggest deletion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm really confused as to what the issue is here. Stand-alone lists is page for information on list articles — the nomination rationale makes no sense to me. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:15, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * See the article on listicles: I.e., generally Buzzfeed-style "10 Times Squirrels Got Inside Celebrity Homes.  Number 6 Will Shock You".  The target guideline page on lists doesn't say anything about these, which is what I and most others would be looking for.  WP lists aren't (or at least shouldn't be) listicles.  35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:39, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I highly doubt that "most others would be looking for" information of the BuzzFeed variety; no Wikipedia article is structured this way, and I can think of no reason to expect information about this kind of content in the project namespace. It's also worth noting that article means very different things in the contexts of journalism and encyclopediography — and so listicle will inherit that difference in meaning. In talk page discussions, I've seen the terms list, list article, and listicle used interchangeably, so these redirects are undoubtedly useful to the community. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:55, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I really don't understand your keep rationale here. I've never seen anyone use "listicle" to refer to a WP list, whereas I've seen it used extensively to see it refer to the clickbait-style example I described above, often somewhat pejoratively.  I'd expect a redirect like this to point to information or guidance or opinion about their use as sources, not the overall page about WP lists generally (unless that page actually had information about listicles, but it doesn't, hence the nomination in the first place). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Unless it's been used significantly I would also lean delete /disambuate - I would have thought it was about listicles as sources. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  15:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  20:09, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've had a mostly-written essay on the specific topic of Listicles & Wikipedia lying around in a Google Doc for ages.  I'd be happy to clobber the redirect and replace it with my essay if there's a desire for Listicle-specific content in the Wikipedia space, which would render the RFD moot (there'd just be a hatnote to the stand-alone lists target).  SnowFire (talk) 04:57, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: For consideration of the retarget suggestion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:41, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - listicles do not conform to Wikipedia's style guide for lists (the current target). Sending an editor looking for this shortcut to the guideline page on how to make Wikipedia lists properly doesn't seem like a bad thing. If SnowFire's essay proves to be a better target then we can retarget there, but as of now that page does not exist on Wikipedia. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:18, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. Proseline might also be a potential target, depending on what is meant by "listicle". — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 15:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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Biden recession
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Economic policy of the Joe Biden administration. (non-admin closure) —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 08:35, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Biden recession → 2022 stock market decline (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Many have discussed (and some have cheered for) a "Biden recession" since he became president, though as of today none has materialized. The current target 2022 stock market decline is not a recession. I recommend the redirect be deleted. soibangla (talk) 03:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  14:21, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: The term was added to the lede of the target as a synonym by 2601:645:8880:297d:3d45:e942:63ea:53fe and removed as "Politically motivated" by 2605:b100:113:5f2d:49a0:8c4c:d619:f702 a week later. The redirect was created during that time. Jay  💬 07:10, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Economic policy of the Joe Biden administration. Stock market declines and recessions are very different things so the current target does not relate to the subject matter. There has been some debate over whether there was a recession in the US in 2022, with some right-wing commentators and politicians arguing that there was. There is a paragraph in the alternate target discussing this.  Hut 8.5  19:09, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * keep. the Biden recession is a cultural concept and campaign slogan. it is not a technical term, and there is no requirement that it satisfy a chosen metric, such as quarterly GDP growth. it is a real phenomenon related to Jerome Powell’s quantitative tightening efforts. isadora of ibiza   (talk)
 * Retarget per Hut 8.5 * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:11, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Hut 8.5. I am the person who created the redirect, and with how 2022 stock market decline is looking, I think at this point it makes more sense for it to go to Economic policy of the Joe Biden administration. If you google "Biden recession", you'll see the phrase largely used by Republicans, starting around 2022.--JasonMacker (talk) 18:29, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Hut 8.5. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 15:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
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Morenoism
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 15%23Morenoism

Osiris St. Brown
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to John Brown (bodybuilder).  Jay  💬 06:12, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Osiris St. Brown → Equanimeous St. Brown (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This person is the sibling of National Football League players Amon-Ra St. Brown and Equanimeous St. Brown, as well as the son of John Brown (bodybuilder) (Amateur Mr. Universe twice and Mr. World three times). None of the 3 family members make the most sense as the target, so I'd argue this is best left as a red link for the time being. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:56, 31 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete as original article creator. This made more sense at the time when both Osiris and Amon-Ra were in college and covered within the eldest's article as he was already in the NFL. Now Amon-Ra deservedly has his own article while it does not appear Osiris has continued to play. A red link will encourage creation if & when he's notable.
 * Star  Mississippi  01:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Delete or retarget? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:39, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per article creator Yoblyblob (talk) 14:44, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Since the actual redirect was a result of an AfD and others edited the articl, I don't think I can G7 it. If I'm wrong, someone please let me know and I'm happy to do so. Star   Mississippi  01:04, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:25, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to John Brown (bodybuilder), the father. It's a short article so it's easy to find information about all of his sons. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:18, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Tavix. No issue with a child who is described in a parent's article to redirect there. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:34, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Retarget per Tavix. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:11, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Tavix. Mackensen (talk) 23:38, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Filmmaker-stub
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Template:Film-bio-stub. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:53, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Template:Filmmaker-stub → Template:Film-director-stub (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous redirect that's been unwisely pressed into misleading service. The problem with "filmmaker" is that it can mean either a director or a producer, and is sometimes even incorrectly used to mean almost any behind-the-scenes film crew at all, but this was commandeered specifically to the director side of the equation. Bearcat (talk) 01:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * retarget to film-bio-stub -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 08:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Template:Film-bio-stub as a more suitable target. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 15:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
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