Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 2

October 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 2, 2023.

Salma Ahmed
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 * The result of the discussion was wrong venue.  This is an article, not a redirect. Also no rationale/proposal was given by the nominator, . That said the article is probably eligible for speedy deletion. I am going to tag as a BLP Prod in any case. A7V2 (talk) 00:57, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Salma Ahmed → Salma Ahmed (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Masohpotato (talk) 23:08, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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Notintendedtobeafactualstatement
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 9%23Notintendedtobeafactualstatement

Redirects containing zero width spaces
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * 4-Methyl-2,4-bis(4-hydroxyphenyl)pent-1-​ene → 4-Methyl-2,4-bis(4-hydroxyphenyl)pent-1-ene (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * ​​Olga Batalina → Olga Batalina (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Notintendedtobeafactualst​atement → Jon Kyl (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * ​​Karelia → Karelia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Chorizo ​​de Pamplona → Chorizo de Pamplona (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These redirects are all identical to their targets, or in one case to another existing redirect to the same target, except for an added zero-width space. All are unlikely search terms that do not serve any navigational purpose, but too old for WP:R3. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:5D43:2887:B701:6DAA (talk) 22:05, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete as I was going to nominate these redirects here as well. I would also point out the related discussion on User talk:NmWTfs85lXusaybq/Archive 1 and User talk:Espresso_Addict. This maintenance task was originally inspired by a technical move request of P Nation‍. Hope this section could be merged with another part of this request. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 03:34, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete – There are legitimate uses for zwsp, but this is not one of them. Mathglot (talk) 19:46, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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Jess Bradley
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of The Boys characters. signed,Rosguill talk 21:47, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Jess Bradley → List of The Boys characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unhelpful: no mention at target. Edward-Woodrow •  talk  20:53, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Refine the section targeted to List of The Boys characters (a subsection of the present target) which begins "Jessica A. "Jess" Bradley". I can't find any evidence that there are any other people with this name currently mentioned on Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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Thaw Daggerslash
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 9%23Thaw Daggerslash

55 Cancri i
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:47, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * 55 Cancri i → 55 Cancri (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unhelpful: no mention at target. Edward-Woodrow •  talk  19:58, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete as simply isn't at target. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 22:08, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above. A7V2 (talk) 01:03, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, as well as 55 Cancri h for the same reason. SevenSpheres (talk) 16:25, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
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Slyvo Spleethe (et al.)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 9%23Slyvo Spleethe (et al.)

Spiker (The Edge Chronicles) (et al.)
<span id="Spiker (The Edge Chronicles)"> <span id="Goom (The Edge Chronicles)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 9%23Spiker (The Edge Chronicles) (et al.)

History of rugby union in England
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Rugby union in England per SNOW. (non-admin closure)  J947  † edits 01:54, 7 October 2023 (UTC)


 * History of rugby union in England → Category:History of rugby union in England (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It's always better for a redirect to target an appropriate article rather than a Category, and in this case the article Rugby union, or perhaps Rugby union has relevant content (especially since rugby union was invented in England, so the history of rugby, and the history of rugby in England, are intertwined). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:49, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Rugby union in England. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:04, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Rugby union in England as precisely what is being searched for. A7V2 (talk) 01:04, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Rugby union in England per A7V2. Thryduulf (talk) 10:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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Thutse
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  20:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thutse → Thuthse (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Doesn't seem to be an alternative spelling of the target; all I could find when searching it was ceb:Thutse River. Qwerfjkl talk  17:26, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep – see the quotes at thuthse.  J947  † edits 01:59, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1696675127483:WikipediaFTTCLNRedirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_October_2" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  10:38, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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Апрель
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to April (disambiguation). (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 19:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Апрель">Апрель → April (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

per WP:RLANG greyzxq  talk 22:43, 23 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. (Note that апрель states that this is a word in Abaza, Komi-Zyrian, Russian, Tatar, and Tuvan.) Duckmather (talk) 00:19, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to April (disambiguation) – There are several entries there that have affinity for Russian and I don't think either one can be called the primary topic. Randi🦋Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 10:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete to facilitate uninhibited Search (127 mentions). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:00, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Being the direct translation of "April" to Russian, the vast majority of these mentions are in Russian-language sources provided in articles, usually as either part of the name of the source where it covers a certain month (or a few) of history or as a part of the access date, making them not useful targets. The DAB page is more useful, and I've edited it to include each entry I've found that may be plausibly searched for with just "Апрель". Randi🦋Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 12:52, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Retarget or delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Duckmather (talk) 16:11, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to April (disambiguation), I am in agreement with Randi Moth. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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 * Retarget per Randi Moth. This is a plausible search term on the English Wikipedia and the search results are actively unhelpful to finding any of the targets for it. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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Artical on PEST analysis of OGDCL
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Artical on PEST analysis of OGDCL → Economy of Pakistan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely search term toweli (talk) 15:09, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: This was essentially an unsourced outline on Pakistan's economy and a bit of other information from 1947 until 2009 until it was WP:BLARred and converted to a redirect. I don't really think that it would have much of a chance of being kept if restored and AfD'd and the mispelling of article makes it a pretty unlikely redirect. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 15:34, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete; I agree with TartarTorte regarding the page history and the title's typo. Duckmather (talk) 23:48, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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C string
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Indian Empire
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Wikipedia:ChatGPT
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Large language models. (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 19:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * ChatGPT → Wikipedia:Using neural network language models on Wikipedia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * CHATGPT → Wikipedia:Large language models (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure which target is more appropriate, as both are fairly recent. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 10:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Large language models: WP:LLM seems to be approaching becoming policy and covers most guidelines related to ChatGPT. Using neural network language models on Wikipedia is very interesting and rather good, but has gotten less traction compared to LLM, so for the time being it seems that LLM would be the better target to have these redirects harmonized. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 13:04, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget, per TartarTorte. ChatGPT is currently powered primarily by LLMs (GPT-3.5 and GPT-4).  &mdash; The Transhumanist   20:47, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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Neighbours: The Adventure
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ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ">ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ → Morocco (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

At Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_23, observed that Morocco's official website in Berber consistently refers to the country as ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ (lmɣrib) or ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ ⵏ ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ (tagldit n lmɣrib), but never ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ (tagldit). They conclude that ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ simply means 'kingdom', not 'Morocco'. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Unclear what should be done with this redirect… Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:16, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The current Morocco page also provides that "ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ" is "Morocco" and literally translates as "the west", while "ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ ⵏ ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ" is "Kingdom of Morocco" and literally translates as "the western kingdom". Both are in notes and while they don't cite a source directly, references include a "Dictionnaire berbère-français" which could plausibly verify this, though I don't have access to the book. Randi🦋Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 20:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe 'Kingdom of Morocco' in Berber? 2A02:A44C:6682:1:35FE:51C4:3219:AC42 (talk) 06:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. I concur with Randi Moth's findings in the previous RfD, searching for ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ -ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ finds three articles in the Wikipedia Incubator for Standard Moroccan Amazigh/Standard Moroccan Berber: which interwikis to Kingdom of the Aurès (a 5th-8th century CE kingdom in present-day Algeria),  which has no interwiki, and  about the United Kingdom. A Twitter account for "The Moorish Kingdom ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ ⵏ ⵉⵎⵓⵔⵉⵢⵏ". The Standard Moroccan Tamazight-English Dictionary does not have an entry for ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ but it does have ones for ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ "Morocco", ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ ⵏ ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ "Kingdom of Morocco", and ⵏ "from", "to". Combined I am positive that "ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ" means "Kingdom" and that this is not a term used exclusively or primarily in relation to Morocco (in English or Standard Moroccan Amazigh) so WP:RFOREIGN applies. Thryduulf (talk) 11:26, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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Survivor (German season 3)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  09:52, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Survivor (German season 3)">Survivor (German season 3) → Survivor (German season 1) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Survivor (German season 4)">Survivor (German season 4) → Survivor (German season 2) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

From a page move, likely to be confusing. Deauthorized. (talk) 02:56, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom.  J947  † edits 02:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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We rob a Mexican monkey
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  09:52, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * We rob a Mexican monkey → Get Lucky (Daft Punk song) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary borderline-nonsensical redirect. How many people are searching Wikipedia for these allegedly "commonly misheard lyrics"? &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 02:07, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: In the world of mondegreens, this is not a notable/common enough one to warrant a redirect. It seems generally redirects as mondegreens only exist if they are common enough to be mentioned in the article or are very common. This is not mentioned in the article and outside of a WatchMojo video I couldn't find any non-SPS that uses it. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 02:58, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. The page implies that articles should describe the lyric for the redirect to be valid. The target article does not mention this mishearing. 〜  Askarion   ✉  14:55, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete nice joke but otherwise implausible synonym at best -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:49, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
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State Normal and Industrial College
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 * The result of the discussion was replace with disambiguation page  .  Complex / Rational  23:41, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * State Normal and Industrial College → University of North Carolina at Greensboro (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per State Normal and Industrial College (disambiguation), this isn't the only school whose origins date back to this name. Per discussion at Talk:State Normal and Industrial College (disambiguation), proposing this redirect be deleted and the DAB moved here. Star  Mississippi  00:49, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Replace with dab page per nom -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 04:32, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Move DAB to this title – also easily could've gone through RM (I think this passes as an uncontroversial technical request at WP:RM/TR, personally). Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  18:38, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies if I used the wrong process. RfD/TR isn't an area in which I frequently edit. Star   Mississippi  00:07, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies if I used the wrong process. RfD/TR isn't an area in which I frequently edit. Star   Mississippi  00:11, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Move DAB to this title per Skarmory. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:50, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
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