Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 24

October 24
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 24, 2023.

Hussein II
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 * The result of the discussion was delete and retarget Hussein II to Al-Husayn II ibn Mahmud.  . Fuzheado &#124; Talk 11:35, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hussein II → Hussein, Crown Prince of Jordan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Hussein II of Jordan → Hussein, Crown Prince of Jordan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete - WP:CRYSTAL. Also per several related discussions. estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:58, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget Hussein II to Al-Husayn II ibn Mahmud as a of Hussein II Bey, they are referred to as "Hussein II" in some places (e.g. the infobox at Rashid al-Shakir Sahib al-Taba'a). Thryduulf (talk) 21:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Hussein II of Jordan per nom, Al-Husayn II ibn Mahmud was the Bey of Tunis and (from a brief search) had no particular connection with Jordan. Thryduulf (talk) 21:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Neither is correct, yet. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:40, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
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Mioldovan language
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Mioldovan language → Moldovan language (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible misspell. 0 views in the last 30 days. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 17:58, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Yoblyblob (talk) 18:22, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Only 2 views this year and 18 since 1 January 2020 give no indication this is useful. Thryduulf (talk) 18:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. 14:40, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Listicle
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 31%23Wikipedia:Listicle

24 February 2022
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Portal:Current events/2022 February 24. (non-admin closure)  Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  12:22, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * 24 February 2022 → Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I see that there is a similar conversation ongoing for 7 October 2023. Based on seeming consensus there, should this page be retargeted to Portal:Current events/2022 February 24? TNstingray (talk) 14:49, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ideally delete because I don't think it's necessary however that target is a good idea. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 15:16, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: There was a discussion a bit ago at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 3 which led to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Redirect being created as a discussion, but consensus was never come to (or at least not actioned on). I think that this would generally be in line with that. TartarTorte 15:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: These discussions should be merged to cover all (or most) examples of dates as redirects Yoblyblob (talk) 16:52, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete and extend discussion more broadly. I really don't see the value in this. We already have list articles and categories that would cover such things. Cinderella157 (talk) 22:51, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to the portal per nom and the consensus of the 7 October 2023 discussion. I don't agree with mass-creating these redirects but if they are created then we should target them to the most appropriate place, which in almost all cases will be the portal or the article about the month. Thryduulf (talk) 01:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to portal per nom. Also all dates redirects such as December 7, 1941, September 11, 2001, January 6, 2021, etc. I don't think a date should redirect to an article. These redirects also creating unnecessary hatnote. Hddty (talk) 16:02, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
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Ăcérræ
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 16:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Ăcérræ → Acerra (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Made up name created by user blocked for disruptive editing. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:37, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete This is a mongrelized diacritic markup for the Latin name. –LaundryPizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 15:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per R3 Yoblyblob (talk) 16:53, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Same rationale as in my other comment. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
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Ărĕlā́tĕ
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 16:25, 31 October 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Ărĕlā́tĕ">Ărĕlā́tĕ → Arles (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

What is this? Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:36, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete This is a mongrelized diacritic markup for the Latin name. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 15:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Useless redirect.  141 Pr  {contribs} 16:05, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per R3 Yoblyblob (talk) 16:53, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. The page creator was blocked for their incessant disruption, and this redirect seems to be just another example of that. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:22, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
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7 October 2023
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Slǎvescu
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Slǎvescu">Slǎvescu → Slăvescu (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Romanian surname, originally the disambiguation page was created without its respective diacritic and accidentally an user moved it to an A-caron (ǎ, Slavic languages) instead of an A-breve (ă, Romanian diacritic). Romanian surnames don't use carons. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 12:17, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:02, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and unlikely search term Yoblyblob (talk) 16:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep as a R from typo, as it did happen -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 03:51, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
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Biden recession
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 31%23Biden recession

Wikipedia:VPN
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Open proxies. The addition of a hatnote is an editorial decision outside the bounds of RFD.  ✗  plicit  14:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)


 * VPN → Wikipedia:Village pump (news) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose retarget to WP:No open proxies. This shortcut is eons old and the only use today would be for "Virtual Private Networks", which a lot of these are open proxies. Listing at RfD though because of the potential to break some incoming links. Awesome Aasim 02:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nomination. It'd just be confusing to keep as is. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 04:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Open proxies: Per nom. We can potentially add a hat note at the new target, but given that there are not that many internal links to WP:VPN, and that the current target has been marked as historical since 2007 I don't think this would be too disruptive. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 12:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom & TartarTorte Yoblyblob (talk) 16:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Open proxies per nominator; the term VPN is almost always used an abbreviation of virtual private network in modern parlance. For what it's worth, oppose addition of a hatnote — I think it's unlikely to be too helpful. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:00, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom & TartarTorte -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Open proxies, just like Vpn redirects to Virtual private network. Add hatnote for the few internal links that do remain. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk &#124; edits) Feel free to ping me! 15:09, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget with hatnote to help readers going through the incoming archived pages. I don't know if old timers refer to the Village Pump notices in general as VPN. Only a week back, referred to a post at Village Pump (Policy) as VPN at a talk page discussion.  Jay  💬 07:33, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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Demographics of federal electoral districts of Canada
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  04:51, 31 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Demographics of federal electoral districts of Canada → List of Canadian electoral districts (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The page doesn't discuss demographics. It simply lists the electoral districts, and doesn't add the information that the redirect's title promises. Its only link is in the See Also section of the page it redirects to.

This was a full article that was draftified back in July, before being blanked and moved into mainspace in September as a redirect, so there's a good amount of history, nearly 170k bytes worth at its peak. However, it was completely unreferenced in mainspace and draftspace, and Wikipedia is WP:NOT an indiscriminate database. This information in the history is probably not mergeable or useable anywhere in its current (past) state, and as a redirect it leaves much to be desired if the main article doesn't refer to any demographics, especially when the link in the See Also section just loops back to the same article. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 23:52, 16 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: No comments since last relist Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:07, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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 * Delete per nom & encouraging article creation Yoblyblob (talk) 16:50, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Subject not discussed at target page, and I just removed the only mainspace link, which was a circular link in § See also of List of Canadian electoral districts. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:38, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Prior to the list becoming a redirect, it was an exercise in futility. Demographic percentages ebb and flow over time, and the list was destined to become outdated and difficult to maintain.  And it was unreferenced.   PK  T (alk)  17:56, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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The Tower (Dubai)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of tallest buildings in Dubai. (non-admin closure) —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:24, 2 November 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="The Tower (Dubai)">The Tower (Dubai) → Union Properties (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:55, 9 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 23:50, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Delete. This building was previously mentioned in the article, albeit unsourced, until it was removed last August by who made some notable improvements to the target in question. Another option would be to retarget to Dubai Creek Tower, a building that was initially known as "The Tower". <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Where to retarget? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Dubai Creek Tower per CycloneYoris -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of tallest buildings in Dubai and remove the wikilink there. Do not redirect to Dubai Creek Tower which is something else and would be misleading. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Retarget per Shhhnotsoloud Yoblyblob (talk) 16:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm also fine with this alternative target -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I have created an anchor at the list. Now at List of tallest buildings in Dubai. Also retarget The Tower, Dubai accordingly. Jay  💬 07:50, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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Dora the Explora
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Dora the Explorer (disambiguation). Proper target is the disambiguation page given the many possibilities for this spelling, whether it is a song or an episode. Fuzheado &#124; Talk 11:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Dora the Explora → Dora the Explorer (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Dora the explora → Dora the Explorer (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Bundling the lowercase version. Mdewman6 (talk) 16:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Retarget, people who search for "Dora the Explora" are more likely to be looking for the Pink Guy song. Also, having a hatnote that leads to an album where many of the songs are about sex on an article that is probably frequently viewed by children may be contentious. 108.21.221.8 (talk) 11:53, 7 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:14, 16 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: No comments since last relist Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:02, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment The proper hatnote at Dora the Explorer is to Dora the Explorer (disambiguation), where the song is listed, so the hatnote isn't an issue. Mdewman6 (talk) 16:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mdweman6. Hatnote isn't an issue, and it points to the DAB page where the song is listed. Retarget to Dora the Explorer (disambiguation). There's actually an episode titled "Dora the Explora!" listed at Backpackers (TV series), and is also mentioned at the DAB. Therefore, the Pink Guy song isn't the only title that features this spelling variant. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:25, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Retarget to Pink Season per WP:SMALLDETAILS and add hatnote. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk &#124; edits) Feel free to ping me! 01:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: The hatnote at Dora the Explorer is not an issue per WP:NOTCENSORED. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk &#124; edits) Feel free to ping me! 01:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * since consensus may depend on your revised opinion, what is your take on the SMALLDETAILS, and what is the rationale behind your Keep, since 's comment was about the second part of the nomination statement, the hatnote at the target, and not necessarily a Keep vote? Jay  💬 08:44, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I've updated my vote above and proposed a different target. SMALLDETAILS doesn't seem to apply since there's another title with exactly the same spelling. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:25, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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