Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 26

October 26
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 26, 2023.

Boxing at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's lightweight
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 3%23Boxing at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's lightweight

Jihadi terrorism
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 09:09, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Jihadi terrorism → Islamic terrorism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Should this page redirect to Islamic terrorism or Jihadism? GnocchiFan (talk) 16:45, 19 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think that policy compels the current situation (WP:TERRORIST). As far as I understand, Jihadism is a religious fundamentalist but not explicitly militant nor terrorist ideology, but some adherents engage in militarism, extremism, and terrorism as perceived by the global west. Those activities are better covered at Islamic terrorism. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:23, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Ivanvector. EditorEpic (talk) 12:07, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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Cete (clade)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Evolution of cetaceans. There was no participation despite a relist, hence no opposition to the nomination's retarget proposal. If there is a differing opinion later, this may be taken up at RfD again.  Jay  💬 09:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Cete (clade) → Mesonychia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. The term represents an outdated hypothesis about the ancestors of cetaceans. The term isn't mentioned at evolution of cetaceans either, although the theory of mesonychian ancestry is discussed there. The term does appear in the cladogram at Artiodactyl, but the evolution of cetaceans article would be a more relevant target. Plantdrew (talk) 21:52, 19 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Proto-Artiodactyl
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Artiodactyl. There was no participation despite a relist, hence no opposition to the nomination's retarget proposal. If there is a differing opinion later, this may be taken up at RfD again.  Jay  💬 09:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Proto-Artiodactyl → Mesonychia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target or anywhere on the internet. As far as I can determine, mesonychians have never been considered to be artiodactyls (or ancestral to them); there has been debate about whether mesonychians or artiodactyls are ancestral to whales (there's consensus now that whales descended from artiodactyls). Assuming that this is a term that exists anywhere outside of Wikipedia, the appropriate target for a redirect would be artiodactyl or ungulate (the next broader group including artiodactyls for which there is an article) Plantdrew (talk) 21:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Marwina-Libya
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 5%23Marwina-Libya

Native American clothing
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 7%23Native American clothing

Mooncat(Childrens TV character)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:41, 2 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Mooncat(Childrens TV character) → ITV Yorkshire (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Missing space and not yet fixed: "children's, not childrens". Please delete this. 176.33.243.226 (talk) 18:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete unreasonable typo Yoblyblob (talk) 15:04, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: The page was not tagged until 17:08, 27 October 2023 (UTC), so I'm unsure if it should be relisted to today's RfD. Tartar</b>Torte 17:09, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB, it was at this title for around 5 minutes in 2006.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 15:17, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete for 3 errors. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:17, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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Robert Card Foundation
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 17:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Robert Card Foundation → Cleveland, Tennessee (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete target does not mention it, and Google gets no results. Created by a permabanned user -- 65.92.244.127 (talk) 15:00, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete no clear connection between the two Yoblyblob (talk) 15:29, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:G5 Randi🦋Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 16:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's no mention anywhere in enwiki. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:21, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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Stockholm/S, Sweden
<span id="Stockholm/S, Sweden"> <span id="Stockholm/G, Sweden"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 3%23Stockholm/S, Sweden

Judas phone
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 5%23Judas phone

𝕏
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 7%23𝕏

Kuzushiji
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . (non-admin closure)  Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  13:20, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Kuzushiji → Cursive script (East Asia) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No pages link to this page, no mention of page name on target. Not necessary. MicrobiologyMarcus petri dish&#8226;growths 20:37, 4 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 23:38, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - A search on wikipedia provides no other hits for this term, a search on Google shows this appears to be an accurate definition. A reference for the term should be cited and added to the target page rather than weeding a viable redirect that may be helpful. - Darker Dreams (talk) 02:53, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as long as there is no mention at the target, as this term is not referred to anywhere on Wikipedia, nor is there a definition which is ever alluded to. Utopes (talk / cont) 21:39, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  21:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep tag R from synonym and R without mention -- we have the topic of this subject as an article, so we literally have the information a person looking for this term is searching for. Deletion for not being listed, would mean that we have to turn Wikipedia into a dictionary, with large footers to list every synonym that a redirect could come as.  -- 65.92.244.127 (talk) 09:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep and tag per above. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 07:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Final relist due to lack of consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 07:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Not mentioned at target -> does not deserve a redirect. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:11, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete unless mentioned with reliable sources clarifying the relationship. I tried finding some myself so I could add this term to the target and vote "keep", but I failed. As someone who's neither a calligraphy expert nor a native Japanese speaker, from the Google hits it's not clear to me at all whether kuzushiji is synonymous with sōsho, or a subset of it, or a superset, or a partially disjoint set:• The only thing I can find in English that's directly on point is a an unpublished paper (by someone whose main expertise seems to be computer science rather than Japanese, and hence probably not a WP:EXPERTSPS) which suggests it's a superset: From there canonical form, characters are often 'destroyed' through shortcuts, linking and rounding, also known as kuzushiji (崩し字). In its extreme form it leads to the sousho style.

• Among Japanese Google hits, there's a bunch of arguments on Yahoo! Answers about whether or not kuzushiji and sōsho mean the same thing, and then there's this National Institute of Japanese Literature page about kuzushiji which doesn't mention the word sōsho at all, and gives as its example image a woodblock print of a children's song where most of the hiragana are in standard print form but two of them are kuzushiji.

• The introduction of Kōta Kodama's kuzushiji dictionary (ISBN 9784490103335, the only one I can see without having to get off my ass and walk to a library) doesn't mention the word sōsho at all either.In short, the best I can conclude is that this is a complicated topic area where specialists are picky about their terminology. In that case, a R without mention is a bad idea. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 10:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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Ahri
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  as there is no consensus for any other action after multiple relists. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:23, 31 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Ahri → K/DA (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Akali (League of Legends)">Akali (League of Legends) → K/DA (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Kai'sa → K/DA (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Kai'Sa → K/DA (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

All these character are primarily known for being characters in League, not for their virtual work in K/DA. I'd also argue these redirects are a stretch tenous and certainly surprising - no such redirect needs to exist, unless we make a "Characters in League of Legends" page of some sort (which I don't think is necessary). Couruu (talk) 11:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 23:19, 4 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 16:03, 12 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Final relist — no comments after the previous two. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: I have bundled Kai'Sa into this discussion, as Kai'sa is marked as an avoided double redirect to that page. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  20:31, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Another note: target page and redirect creators notified of this discussion. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  21:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retain most They are specifically mentioned as members of K/DA while they are not specifically mentioned in the League of Legends articles. Their significance, at least on Wikipedia, is more in the virtual group they are a part of than as characters in the game. Disambiguate Ahri as she also appears as a main character in Ruined King now, making WP:DABMENTION appropriate. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:03, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep all and add a hatnote to K/DA saying "Ahri, Kai'Sa, and Akali redirect here. For the video game they originate from, see League of Legends". Anarchyte  ( talk ) 11:45, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I have created Draft:Ahri (disambiguation), which (aside from the League of Legends character and the Air Conditioning, Heating, and Refrigeration Institute) consists entirely of obscure WP:DABMENTIONs and WP:DABREDLINKs. Given WP:DIFFCAPS, the League of Legends character appears to be WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT based on usage . 59.149.117.119 (talk) 06:59, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Also note that, unlike the case during the last RfD, these characters actually are mentioned at League of Legends since this September 2020 edit. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 10:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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UGA vs TCU
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 7%23UGA vs TCU

Ken Marschall (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 15:00, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Ken Marschall (disambiguation)">Ken Marschall (disambiguation) → Kenneth Marshall (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

At the dab page, there is nobody else named Ken Marschall, so this title only refers to one individual.

This redirect was made by User:Ollieisanerd with the good intention of creating it for the hatnote at the top of the Ken Marschall page. However, the previous hatnote which pointed to Kenneth Marshall (disambiguation) directly seemed to be perfectly sufficient and more accurate to the situation, as it had a list of other people named "Kenneth Marshall" (with 4 possibilities), and NOT a list of other people named "Ken Marschall" (with 0 possibilities). Noticably, Ken Marschall is not listed as an entry at the target disambiguation page, but only exists in the "See Also" section. This seems to be because there is no need to disambiguate Marschall's entry from the rest (as it is a distinctive, separate name). Utopes (talk / cont) 05:36, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 12:56, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've changed the hatnote on Ken Marschall to target Kenneth Marshall (disambiguation). As this redirect has only 9 hits in the past 90 days and no incoming links, it could be safely deleted. On the other hand, it doesn't hurt anything either. Station1 (talk) 07:11, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:45, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Someone could easily think one of the other Kenneths on the disambiguation is named Ken. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 03:11, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete this is "Ken Marschall" not "Ken Marshall" nor "Ken Marshal" -- 65.92.244.127 (talk) 04:20, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Recently created redirect for a good faith use as hatnote, which has since been reverted as unnecessary. Jay  💬 05:36, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There's no other Ken Marschall or Kenneth Marschall here, but this also doesn't hurt anything. I guess someone could think one of the Kenneths' last names is spelled with a C and that they use the nickname, so weak keep on grounds of being slightly more helpful than harmful. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  03:52, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Matty
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 * The result of the discussion was move Matty (name) over the redirect  . Hey man im josh (talk) 14:53, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Matty → Matty Healy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There's 50+ people named Matty on Wikipedia; in my opinion, it's almost impossible to specify a particular target from just the common name of "Matty". I would recommend targeting either Matty (disambiguation) or Matty (name). Utopes (talk / cont) 06:21, 3 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Move Matty (name) or Matty (disambiguation) to this title? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Complex / Rational  12:30, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Move Matty (disambiguation) over this redirect. Clearly no primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 16:04, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Move Matty (name) over. Matty seems to be far more popular as a name of people than of other things. BD2412  T 23:05, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Move the name on top, per BD2412. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:32, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Move DAB, unlikely primary for single word.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:27, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Same question from the last relist — replace with the name or the disambiguation page? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:44, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Replace with disambiguation page -- 65.92.244.127 (talk) 03:59, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Move Matty (name) over. The article doesn't indicate Healy is known by the mononym, and the name is overwhelmingly more popular |Matty_(name)|Matty,_Hungary|Matty_Island|Matty_(fabric). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Move Matty (disambiguation) over per Thryduulf. Matty is also places and other things. Jay  💬 05:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Move Matty (name) over – |Matty_(name)|Matty,_Hungary|Matty_Island|Matty_(fabric) pageviews heavily favor the name, even when one of the other topics spikes (which hasn't happened in a long time). Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  03:47, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Move  Matty (name) over per above reasoning Yoblyblob (talk) 14:13, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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Seclusion room
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 7%23Seclusion room

Pouring
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 11%23Pouring

La Fiesta Tech
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . (non-admin closure) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * La Fiesta Tech → The Sims 2 expansion packs (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per The Sims 2, this is a Neighborhood in The Sims 2: University, however it's not mentioned in the standalone article (the above list is the only place in Wikipedia that mentions it), and to the table would be strange, so suggest deletion. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the talk of the proposed target The Sims 2. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 07:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Final relist — no comments after the previous two. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The Sims 2 as that's where search results point anyway (and in this instance the search results don't even display the mention in its context). I'd be more inclined to delete if the mention was further down the table and less immediately accessible.  J947  † edits 02:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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 * More inclined to delete due to the page getting only around 6 visits over the past year and a half Yoblyblob (talk) 14:17, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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Academie Le Tour
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to The Sims 2. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Academie Le Tour → The Sims 2 expansion packs (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per The Sims 2, this is a Neighborhood in The Sims 2: University, however it's not mentioned in the standalone article (the above list is the only place in Wikipedia that mentions it), and to the table would be strange, so suggest deletion. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Delete or retarget? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:07, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The Sims 2 as that's where search results point anyway.  J947  † edits 02:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the talk of the proposed target The Sims 2. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 07:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Final relist — no comments since the last one. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not too convinced that the names of the neighbourhoods should be included in that table at all (so weakly leaning delete), but I don't really know anything about The Sims. Ping who recently worked on the expansion articles for a more qualified opinion. (See also the nom below this one). —Kusma (talk) 16:59, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Retarget per J947. Thryduulf (talk) 09:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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The Ashes (rugby league); 2023–
<span id="The Ashes (rugby league); 2023–"> <span id="The Ashes (rugby league; 2023–)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 3%23The Ashes (rugby league); 2023–

Slaewaz
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 17:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Slaewaz → Slow living (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Nonexistent word invented [probably not, see replies below] by sockpuppeteer User:AugustusAudax at AFC: Articles for creation/Redirects and categories/2023-03; source given at AFC makes no mention of the word. [Changed after reply from User:Eejit43; present in source as "slæwaz" (note the æ)]. The user's Draft:Slaewaz was deleted in September 2023 for being abandoned. Google turns up zero results for this. Potential misspelling of the reconstructed term *slaiwaz in Proto-Germanic, whose potential meanings include "slow" and "dimwitted". ArcticSeeress (talk) 03:46, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

. ~ <b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b> ( talk ) 03:58, 7 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Keep, retarget to wiktionary, or delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Duckmather (talk) 14:41, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: No comments since the last one. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:58, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No comment on the validity of the redirect, but the source given at AFC does say:
 * "(sloh liv-ing: Proto-Germanic *slæwaz) is a lifestyle which encourages a slower approach to aspects of everyday life, involving completing tasks at a leisurely pace.""
 * I see now that it is present as spelled with "æ", not "ae". I rectified the original comment. ArcticSeeress (talk) 04:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * After looking into the page history, the source copied this text from an old revision of the article. See this edit. ArcticSeeress (talk) 04:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems to be, yes. Looks like slæwaz is indeed a Proto-Germanic term that "slow" seems to have been derived from. I see you changed it, but it was definitely not invented as a sockpuppet, and Google does turn up quite a few results it. ~ <b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b> ( talk ) 14:25, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete per Verifiability and Reliable sources. The idea that people over a millennium-and-a-half ago used this word in any sense connected to the late-20th century idea of slow living is an exceptional claim. If we can find an expert in linguistics or the early Middle Ages claiming that, then we should add that content to the target article. But a blog post or even a book about slow living by a generalist author is not a WP:RS for such a claim. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 05:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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Jewish religious extremism
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Jewish fundamentalism.  Jay  💬 05:33, 2 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Jewish religious extremism → Jewish extremist terrorism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Religious extremism does not inevitably culminate in Terrorism; I would guess that there are Jewish religious groups that would be considered extremist in their views without engaging in violence. BD2412 T 20:08, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * Delete: misleading. Veverve (talk) 05:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Jewish fundamentalism, matching Jewish extremism. (Ironically, that redirect may be ambiguous, since there are secular far-right and far-left Jewish groups.) -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 00:09, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Retarget per Tamzin. Thryduulf (talk) 09:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Tamzin. EditorEpic (talk) 13:29, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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Big blue blob
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:CSD.  Both redirects were created by Knightoftheswords281 who commented in favour of deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 20:04, 26 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Big blue blob → France (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The big blue blob → France (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Big blue blob seems to refer to France in the game Europa Universalis IV, but outside of EU4, I don't see France ever being referred to by these terms. Retargeting to Europa Universalis IV would probably be better, but even then, there's no content relating to the redirects there (or in France, for that matter). Add in the fact that there are other possible uses for the terms ( is sourced in Pacific Cup (yacht race), referring to a body of water), and I don't think these redirects are worth keeping. Skarmory  (talk •   contribs)  02:23, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete does not seem to be a major part of Europa Universalis, and is very likely not going to be used by someone looking for France Yoblyblob (talk) 02:55, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as redirect creator. — Knightof  theswords  17:52, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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Wonder drug
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 * The result of the discussion was Disambiguate at Wonder drug  . (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:38, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

This term is not mentioned in the article, and it seems to be a generic term for any new highly effective drug.
 * Wonder drug → Aspirin (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The wonder drug → Aspirin (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I found:
 * "Wonder Drug"
 * Wonder Drug: The Secret History of Thalidomide in America and its Hidden Victims
 * A song on Living Under June
 * An episode of Night Court –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:14, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Two references in Aspirin have "wonder drug" in their title and I'd say the article should have a mention but not needed for this. Aspirin is, I'd say, the primary topic amongst drugs referred to as a/the wonder drug:, , , . As for these particular redirects... seems like a disambiguation page for/at "Wonder drug" is warranted, and targetThe wonder drug to Wonder drug, with a hatnote added to Wonder Drug for the disambiguation page. Skynxnex (talk) 02:51, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambig, many different usages and aspirin does not seem to be primary Yoblyblob (talk) 02:57, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambig per above. Thryduulf (talk) 09:51, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambig per above. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Dabify per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 08:36, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per nom's findings. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:34, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
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Indian Empire
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . Indian Empire (disambiguation)  has been created and will be moved to the target shortly. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:03, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Indian Empire → British Raj (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to List of Indian empires or disambiguate. No evidence for primary topic. Google searches show that the term is used for the Mughal and Mauryan empires very frequently and top twenty hits also include restaurants and takeaways as frequently as British India. DrKay (talk) 13:14, 2 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Retarget? Disambiguate? Delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  14:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: This has been subject to a number of edit wars and there seems to me to be essentially no great target for this. I think that disambiguating would be rather difficult as people think of very unrelated things, and what to and not include at the DAB page could prove odd. If there's a good DAB draft, I would support that. I think that the recommendation by the nom isn't a bad idea, but seeing the edit wars and the number of people that in the past supported a variety of different targets, I rarely like leaving things to wikipedia's search functionality, but it actually seems like this would be a good scenario for this. As a question, should we bundle or does WP:DIFFCAPS make it not relevant. I do feel uncomfortable with deletion given the number of pageviews, but my reasons expressed above make me thing it's oddly the best choice. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 15:40, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. This is clearly something people are looking for and should not be a redlink as that will be significantly less useful to readers (who may be multiple clicks/taps away from search results, depending on multiple factors). If someone wants to draft a disambiguation page or set index then please ping me and I'll happily review my preference but in the absence of such I prefer retargetting. Thryduulf (talk) 10:56, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Turn into a disambig or delete. The nom's proposed target is itself a redirect to List of Indian monarchs, which includes loads of regimes that no one would call an "Indian empire" (eg. Kingdom of Kochin Furius (talk) 18:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Same question as before... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Duckmather (talk) 17:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. "British Raj" is rare in the print resources I'm familiar with — I suspect it's far more common in Indian-published sources than elsewhere — and when these sources don't use "British India", the most common way to refer to it is easily "Indian Empire" or "Empire of India".  Nyttend (talk) 05:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambig "lots of very different things referred to with the same/similar name," especially when "primary topic" is extremely contentious, is what disambigs are for. - Darker Dreams (talk) 07:17, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Final relist — consensus seems to be drifting towards either keeping or disambiguating. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:30, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate aside from the EIC and the British Raj, there were several that conquered most of the subcontinent. -- 65.92.244.127 (talk) 04:06, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per aboveYoblyblob (talk) 13:32, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The clear primary topic is the Empire of India (1876–1947 CE), which is why this redirect is used in the hatnote at List of Indian monarchs. Any attempt at disambiguation wouldn't be as good as that existing list. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * What is your evidence for primary topic? DrKay (talk) 19:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate There's enough assumed common language difference between Indian Empire vs. Empire of India in my opinion. British Raj being more common in Indian-published sources is a nonargument, since we don't give more weight to sources based on country of origin or variant of English (MOS:ENGVAR). However, it is true that the phrase "Indian Empire" is used in the most common WP:RS to refer to the British Raj. Therefore, disambiguating makes sense to me, especially for a redirect.  EmeraldRange  (talk/contribs) 04:14, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Disambig can be used to reference several things, and would help ease the edit-warring mentioned in a previous comment here Yoblyblob (talk) 02:59, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate: more than one meaning of the term. I've done a draft at Indian Empire (disambiguation), but there is a very large number of Indian empires at Category:Empires and kingdoms of India, so the draft should probably be expanded. Celia Homeford (talk) 11:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate Nobody knows British Raj as the "Indian Empire". There should be a disambiguation page leading to every nation that could be referred to as "Indian Empire", e.g. the Maurya Empire EditorEpic (talk) 11:32, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Procedural close as moot, now that we have Indian Empire (disambiguation). Anyone may start a WP:RM if they disagree with British Raj as primary. Jay  💬 10:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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Kumpangs
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 05:35, 2 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Kumpangs → Prostitution (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:RLOTE, per the edit history. There's a two line unsourced stub in the history, which would never survive going to AFD, so I don't mind deleting it at RFD if deemed necessary. Search results also pull up mostly irrelevant results; I'm seeing a couple referring to Kompang, and at least one referring to Kampung. Probably best if this is deleted, as there's no good target. Skarmory  (talk •   contribs)  00:52, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Yoblyblob (talk) 03:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above and WP:RLANG. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 15:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
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It was Walpole
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 05:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It was Walpole → Robert Walpole (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This appears to be a reference from Extra Credits, but it's not mentioned here, at Extra Credits or at Extra Credits. Seeing nowhere to target it to, this should be deleted. If a sourced mention is added to any of those, retargetting there should be fine. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 00:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom unless a sourced mention is added. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 15:14, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
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