Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 8

October 8
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 8, 2023.

Wikipedia:Promotional
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to What Wikipedia is not. (non-admin closure) TartarTorte 21:36, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Promotional → Wikipedia:Spam (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I think it should have the same target as WP:PROMOTION. Veverve (talk) 21:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom -- ( Roundish  ✡  t ) 21:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree, retarget.  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 14:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Water Burial
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Water burial. (non-admin closure)  Clyde  &#91;trout needed&#93; 23:16, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Water Burial → Alkaline hydrolysis (body disposal) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It seems that is most commonly refers to burial at sea rather than the current target, but not sure it should simply be redirected or if it's worth disambiguating at Water burial or elsewhere. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:51, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambig in terms of long-term significance burial at sea is the primary, but the first page of my search results is primarily about the present target (due at least in part due to recent UK news) with some results also about scattering cremated ashes in water, for Cremation is probably the best target as that covers scattering of ashes in the River Ganges and similar, even though the burial at sea article (which is regarded as the main article) doesn't. Thryduulf (talk) 09:16, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambig hatnote may be a workable alternative, but seems likely to have its own problems. - Darker Dreams (talk) 02:23, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have created a dab page at Water burial, so retarget this redirect there. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:39, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to new dab Water burial. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:06, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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FR3D
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * FR3D → Fred (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:R situation. Nobody is going to search for Fred on Wikipedia while replacing the e with a 3 and fully capitalizing it. It has also looks like and has been used as an acronym, admittedly for things we don't have coverage of, but I think the slight confusion that could arise makes this better off deleted. Skarmory  (talk •   contribs)  18:06, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fred Figglehorn, who at least I assume is the intended target of this, spelled it using a Я to spell, which already targets Fred Figglehorn. Using a forward facing R but a 3 as a backwards facing E is novel enough to probably be safely deleted. TartarTorte 23:12, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment somewhat likely leet-speak version of the term, so it is not a reference to "Fred Figglehorn", rather to the name "Fred" itself. Elon Musk and Tesla Motors do spell S3XY that way, so it isn't really unknown to the general populace to replace an E with a 3 -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 23:53, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete thought at first this might be a soundex representation, but when I found numbers are only used for consonants, that theory went out the window. Any supposition that this is directed to a particular name, that name should be targeted rather than the forename in general, in my opinion. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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Rylee Arnold
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Rylee Arnold → Dancing with the Stars (American TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Searches indicate that this person may be connected to the target, but with no mention there this redirect is unhelpful to the reader. Delete. Edward-Woodrow •  talk  18:02, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Retarget? Delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Duckmather (talk) 18:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Would more specifically where she's appeared be more appropriate as a redirect rather than just deleting? That would be Dancing with the Stars: Juniors and the currently ongoing main series' season, Dancing with the Stars (American season 32) (where it also mentions about her first-time involvement right above the cast table). Magitroopa (talk) 19:15, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete None of the proposed targets include enough substance to warrant a redirect - merely one sentence or a table entry. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Penile code
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:26, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Penile code → Criminal code (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While the word "penile" is easily confusable with "penal" it has a completely different meaning, that wouldn't be used in legal contexts. Also the way "penile" and "penal" are pronounced are both different. 1033Forest (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per nom's rationale that it easily confusable. Tag with R from misspelling, R unprintworthy -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 23:55, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete seems to be a joke. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: implausible error. Clyde  &#91;trout needed&#93; 23:17, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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Wasulu language
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  . (non-admin closure)  Clyde  &#91;trout needed&#93; 23:18, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

These should point to appropriate mainspace content, not an internal lit. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:46, 1 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 17:25, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Wasulu language → Wikipedia:WikiProject Languages/Glottolog 3.3 language names (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sundic languages → Wikipedia:WikiProject Languages/Language names in Ruhlen (1987) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Hmm, I think Wassoulou is the best target for Wasulu language. For Sundic languages maybe Sundanese language? Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 08:25, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget both. "Sundic languages" are more than just Sundanese; the name relates to the Greater Sunda Islands. It's an obsolete subgrouping proposal by Isidore Dyen that is occasionally mentioned in the literature even in the 21th century (e.g. in the 2017 3rd edition of Bernard Comrie's The World's Major Languages), so it's a useful search topic. I've added a short mention of "Sundic" in Malayo-Sumbawan languages, so we can use the latter as a practical target for the redirect.
 * Agree about Wasulu language → Wassoulou. –Austronesier (talk) 18:01, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Retarget both per Austronesier. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:31, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
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Mainspace redirects to WikiProjects
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16%23Mainspace redirects to WikiProjects

Wikitable
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16%23Wikitable

Secure.wikimedia.org
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Duckmather (talk) 03:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Secure.wikimedia.org → Wikipedia:Secure server (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Defunct internal stuff does not warrant cross-namespace redirects. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:46, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note prior RfD at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 18. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:55, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 17:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Someone using this search term is unlikely to be looking for encyclopaedic content and the search engine utterly fails to find the directly relevant page that has the information they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: the mainspace and the rest of WP should be kept separated. Veverve (talk) 15:53, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep it is mentioned at the target and per Thryduulf -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:26, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep: Oh boy, more XNRs. This really isn't doing any harm. Clyde  &#91;trout needed&#93; 23:30, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per participants above, and per my previous !vote back in 2021. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:31, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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Namespaces
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Compare below - if you know about the term "namespace" then you know to, well, use the proper namespace when searching. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:46, 1 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 17:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User namespace → Wikipedia:Namespace (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Mainspace → Wikipedia:Namespace (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Comment Tarragon Theatre and Theatre Passe Muraille have concert halls called "Mainspace"; and Wiki should be the article with a mention about mainspaces and otherspaces, instead of the XNR. So disambiguate "mainspace" -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 04:15, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment "User namespace" on other computer realm topics usually means the totality (virtual space) of valid usernames. So delete as it doesn't match the real world topic -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 04:17, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom., the mainspace and the rest of WP should be kept separated. Veverve (talk) 15:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Disambig both - Darker Dreams (talk) 06:00, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all. These WP:CNR are not required and potentially ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:12, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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List of administrators
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16%23List of administrators

MediaZilla
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16%23MediaZilla

Universality (medieval history)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Universality (medieval history)">Universality (medieval history) → Universality (philosophy) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Topic not treated at the target. I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 07:00, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 17:17, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not clear that the topic is not treated at the target. The prevalence of this philosophical tenet during the Englightenment is explicitly mentioned; its medieval form is not. But still it's the same topic. The person who created this page as an article rather than as a redirect should of course have called it "Universality (medieval philosophy). Michael Hardy (talk) 13:47, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Of note: no significant history is lost with deletion here, as the content was moved from Special:Permalink/12415644 in the history of Universality. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  03:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per @Michael Hardy's comments. - Darker Dreams (talk) 06:12, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: per Hardy. Clyde  &#91;trout needed&#93; 23:36, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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Phalaenea crataegella
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  21:12, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Phalaenea crataegella → Scythropia crataegella (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible misspelling of Phalaena. Searching for this exact spelling of "Phalaenea" brings up no results other than Wikipedia and its forks. Randi🦋Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 12:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  12:57, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as R from misspelling: it's used very occasionally. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:41, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 17:16, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Eudonia lacustrata had it with the typo, which I have now corrected. It was added at the page in 2011 by Ruigeroeland, a butterfly expert but a user since blocked, and it may have been a typo, because the line above it in the same edit had "Phalaena lacustrata" with the correct spelling. While the typo has propagated to other wikis, and is not to be seen in other external sources, the correction we can do on enwiki is to Delete. Jay  💬 13:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete, unlikely misspelling especially considering the correct spelling for the defunct designation will pop up before someone finishes typing.
 * JoelleJay (talk) 23:58, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Weak keep per Shhhnotsoloud -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 00:14, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Shhnotsoloud. In response to JoelleJay's comment about the correct spelling popping up first, that's only true for some methods of finding Wikipedia content (principally (maybe exclusively) those using the internal search engine with javascript enabled). Thryduulf (talk) 09:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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First finger (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  Clyde  &#91;trout needed&#93; 23:38, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="First finger (disambiguation)">First finger (disambiguation) → First finger (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Third finger (disambiguation)">Third finger (disambiguation) → Third finger (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While it is true that these terms are ambiguous, the target article is not a disambiguation page. These links serve no purpose at all, and disambiguation links for the other fingers don't exist. Delete as housekeeping. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:04, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 17:16, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment, it does seem as if the two targets are possibly interpreted as disambiguation pages, although the existing format is certainly unusual. In regards to the first finger page, the article seems to be disambiguating "thumb" and "index finger", which are both referred to as "first finger" depending on the context. There is a lot more description present than what would normally be expected of a disambiguation page, but as it stands it does appear that the articles in question are designed to "disambiguate the uses of the two fingers." Utopes (talk / cont) 14:40, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree, but the redirects serve no purpose. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:55, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the big sticking point for me is "whether or not this is a disambiguation page". If it is agreed that this page serves to disambiguate the multiple uses of "first finger", and thusly is a disambiguation page, then that would make First finger (disambiguation) be a valid WP:RTOUNDAB situation. If this isn't a disambiguation page, then the redirect should not exist as such. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:25, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The key question for me is will someone using this search term find what they are looking for at the target? If someone is using a search term ending in "(disambiguation)" they almost certainly want either (1) a link to a specific article they don't know the title of but suspect is not the primary topic for the term, or (2) a list of things that can be referred to by the search term. In both cases the current targets will give them what they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 13:41, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I've proposed to make a list article out of these ordinal finger articles, for the discussion, see talk:Fifth finger -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 20:59, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Thryduulf. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment If the proposed list article is created then I think targetting this there will be uncontroversial, but unless and until that happens I am still in favour of keeping the current targets. Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Gun rehearsal debate in United States film
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 15%23Gun rehearsal debate in United States film

Template:Condense
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:39, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Template:Condense → Template:Too many sections (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Template:Condensed → Template:Too many sections (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This and Condensed are too vague not to be disambiguation pages. See history for my proposed substitution. Mach61 (talk) 04:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Bundled Condensed with this. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 05:47, 1 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  15:18, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think Delete is the right action here. "Condense" is just too vague, even with the explanatory text. And I don't think a dab page in template space is the right answer either. - jc37 18:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment are you also nominating condensed ? -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 10:24, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep or replace with a template with an improved message. This was the template name for almost twelve years and is what I expected it to mean. Others such as Template:Fact are similarly vague. Peter James (talk) 18:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Peter James. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: per Peter James. My thoughts exactly. Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  12:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: per Peter James. Note; Condense template is currently being transcluded onto 117 mainspace pages, and Condensed onto 53. - Darker Dreams (talk) 06:24, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Absolute knowledge
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Power-knowledge. (non-admin closure)  Clyde  &#91;trout needed&#93; 23:39, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Absolute knowledge → Universality (philosophy) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Absolute Knowledge → Universality (philosophy) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention at the target. I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 07:03, 1 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  15:18, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Power-knowledge where this topic is covered and criticized. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:49, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget per @Utopes. - Darker Dreams (talk) 06:27, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Dangerous Girl
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure) Duckmather (talk) 03:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Dangerous Girl → More (Vitamin C album) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

disambiguate this song by Vitamin C is only a list entry song at the target album. However it is an alternate title to Storms (film), and was a song released as a single by Hwasa, which the Vitamin C song does not seem to have been, according to the current target. Thus there are other more prominent uses than the current one. -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 11:12, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  15:17, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Disambiguate per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per nom. - Darker Dreams (talk) 06:28, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Municipal Tuberculosis Sanitarium Complex
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16%23Municipal Tuberculosis Sanitarium Complex

Miniflat
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:51, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Miniflat → Bedsit (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No indication the terms are synonymous; no mention at target. Edward-Woodrow •  talk  14:29, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Google brings up two primary meanings of the term, a type of umbrella and a type of property, both sometimes also called "mini flat" or "mini-flat". The latter seems to be principally a Nigerian English term, and if is accurate (and I have no reason to think it isn't) it is not a bedsit but a small apartment. The only content we have here (about either use) is this (inaccurate) redirect and a see-also link to it, so there is no retargetting option. I'd suggest soft redirecting it to Wiktionary, but there is no entry there and I'm not immediately finding suitable uses (filtering out adverts is hard) and I've run out of time to look further. The umbrella usage is basically just a marketing adjective and wouldn't make a good redirect even if we did have content. Thryduulf (talk) 11:10, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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... University redirects
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Ethnology university → Types of universities and colleges in China (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Medicine and pharmacy university → Types of universities and colleges in China (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Finance and economics university → Types of universities and colleges in China (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Political science and law university → Types of universities and colleges in China (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Science and engineering university → Types of universities and colleges in China (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausable search term, would potentially cause confusion with users searching for __ university in general and being redirected to a much more nation specific topic  Just ' i ' yaya  13:25, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. These are broad search terms that if searched are likely to give the reader confusion. What's more is that the target place doesn't really have any info on these universities either.  ULPS ( talk •  contribs ) 14:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I would like to address the concerns raised regarding the redirects I created for specific types of universities in China. It is my belief that these redirects are beneficial for both editors and readers, and here's why:
 * Cultural and Administrative Specificity: It's important to note that the classification of universities based on their academic emphasis is a unique and significant aspect of China's higher education system. These aren't just broad terms but are official categories formulated by the Ministry of Education of China. The way China classifies its universities is distinct and not found in other countries, making these terms unique to the Chinese context.
 * Convenience for Editors: When writing about Chinese universities, editors often need to reference these specific classifications. Having a redirect link to the "Types of universities and colleges in China" page will streamline the editing process and ensure consistency across Wikipedia articles.
 * Enhancing Reader Comprehension: For readers unfamiliar with China's university classification system, these redirects offer immediate context. Without these redirects, a reader might be left wondering what a "Science and Engineering University" or a "Medicine and Pharmacy University" specifically refers to in the Chinese context.
 * Addressing the Concern of Confusion: I understand the concerns about potential confusion. However, it's crucial to realize that these terms, when translated directly to English, are uniquely Chinese. A search for "Science and engineering university" in a global context would yield a myriad of results, but in the Chinese context, it refers to a specific classification. The redirect serves to educate and inform the reader about this distinct classification system.
 * Content Enhancement: Regarding the comment that the target place doesn't provide much information on these universities, it offers a starting point. The Wikipedia page can be expanded in the future to provide more detailed information on each category, making the redirects even more valuable.
 * Precedence: Wikipedia has numerous redirects for terms that might seem broad but are specific in certain cultural or national contexts. These redirects serve to guide readers to the most relevant information pertaining to their search.
 * In conclusion, the purpose of these redirects is not to generalize or simplify but to offer clarity and context specific to China's higher education system. I kindly urge the community to consider the benefits these redirects bring to Wikipedia's global audience and the potential for expanding knowledge on a unique aspect of China's educational landscape. Cfls (talk) 18:12, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete This terminology is presumably not exclusive to China - redirecting global search terms to a China-specific article is unhelpful. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per @Pppery. - Darker Dreams (talk) 06:31, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Egafd
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16%23Egafd

Army of X (France)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Army of Catalonia (France)">Army of Catalonia (France) → Peninsular War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Army of Arragon (France)">Army of Arragon (France) → Peninsular War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Army of Aragon (France)">Army of Aragon (France) → Peninsular War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Army of Andalusia (France)">Army of Andalusia (France) → Peninsular War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Army of Portugal (France)">Army of Portugal (France) → Peninsular War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Army of Spain (France)">Army of Spain (France) → Peninsular War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target does not cover the topic (covering is different from merely mentioning). Thus, those redirects should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 08:16, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The person searching for these topics will find the information we have about them at the target. Thryduulf (talk) 10:14, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per @Thryduulf. - Darker Dreams (talk) 06:35, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Army of Aragon
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 15%23Army of Aragon

Armée... redirects
<span id="Armée du portugal"> <span id="Armée d'Andalousie"> <span id="Armée d'Arragon"> <span id="Armée de Catalogne"> <span id="Armée d'Espagne"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 15%23Armée... redirects

Napoleon's army in 1808
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to French Imperial Army (1804–1815). (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Napoleon's army in 1808 → Peninsular War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading redirect, as the topic is broader than the target. There is no good retarget. Therefore, I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 08:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to French Imperial Army (1804–1815) as an . Thryduulf (talk) 10:18, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget As articulated by Thryduulf. Tiny Particle (talk) 19:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per @Thryduulf. - Darker Dreams (talk) 06:38, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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HGP Industries
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Oldcastle BuildingEnvelope. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:29, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * HGP Industries → Oldcastle Materials (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Hordis Brothers → Oldcastle Materials (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Arm-R-Clad → Oldcastle Materials (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Three redirects pointing towards "Oldcastle Materials" which don't seem to be mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia, to my understanding. The only place on Wikipedia that mentions these three in any capacity is this help desk message from 2011, talking about the chain of events of being bought. Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2011 July 22, although I'm not convinced that these subsidaries need redirects to the main article if there is no context available. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:03, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * HGP Industries should redirect to Oldcastle BuildingEnvelope (references: ). Peter James (talk) 16:20, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Peter James is correct, all three of these should point to Oldcastle BuildingEnvelope (the incorrect target was an error on my part). Hordis Brothers (the owner of the Arm-R-Clad brand) sold to HGP, and HGP sold to OldCastle, I know there's a reference for this somewhere because I knew all of this from reading it in a source that more than likely meets WP:RS, I'm just not finding it at the moment. I figured it's worthwhile to create the redirect because there is a fair number of people on the internet posting on the Q&A websites about these defunct companies, and certain classic cars were made with "Arm-R-Clad" branded windows (which I guess are a rare find now), so users are likely to search Wikipedia for these companies. PCHS-NJROTC  (Messages)Have a blessed day. 13:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per PCHS-NJROTC and tag as R to article without mention. Jay  💬 06:08, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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Homo sapiens cognatus
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Consensus is that this redirect isn’t misleading. Pppery supported deletion for a seperate reason, which also didn’t receive consensus. (non-admin closure) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 02:34, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Homo sapiens cognatus → Bigfoot (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The article for Bigfoot lists it as a mythical creature. The purported scientific name is likely to be a misleading redirect, especially when such name is not listed at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment this is not misleading in the sense that the target is the only thing referred to by this name, but without a mention I'm unsure how useful it is. Thryduulf (talk) 10:19, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm not sure how this is misleading, as it is the proposed scientific name for a hoax once believed to be real. Obviously refers to Bigfoot. -- ( Roundish  ✡  t ) 21:55, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It is a scientific name, when this creature does not actually have an real scientific name because it doesn't exist. This name is not mentioned at the article, and it's completely unscientific due to the creature not existing, so as long as the article doesn't refer to any made-up / theoretical scientific name, this redirect is confusing for readers who wouldn't know why bigfoot has a scientific redirect that doesn't get discussed or debunked at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 09:20, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * But you would have to search for the scientific name to access the redirect. ( Roundish  ✡  t ) 12:33, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily, as there are other means of viewing redirects such as by seeing what pages link to a certain one. Redirects that contain completely standalone concepts which are not covered at the target page (for instance, the word "cognatus" appearing nowhere at the page), are often confusing to attuned readers that would be left guessing why the redirect exists without relevant information related to it, and confusing redirects should generally be removed. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:24, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete due to lack of mention at the target. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, alternative name, not misleading at all and useful for readers. Cavarrone 11:12, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per @Roundish. - Darker Dreams (talk) 06:40, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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