Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 11

September 11
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 11, 2023.

Pax Russica
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 18%23Pax Russica

Andersnordic
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 19%23Andersnordic

Fred Hansen (poker player)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:38, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Fred Hansen (poker player) → Gus Hansen (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No evidence that Gus or Gustav Hansen is known as Fred. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Martin Kabrhel (midstakes poker player)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:39, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Martin Kabrhel (midstakes poker player) → World Series of Poker Circuit (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Martin Kabrhel (high-stakes poker player) → World Series of Poker Europe (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unclear why these have different targets, nor why the redirects have a navbox on them. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Martin Ryan (quarter-professional poker player)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:39, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Martin Ryan (quarter-professional poker player) → Martin Ryan (poker player) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Steven Jones (quarter-professional poker player) → Steven Jones (poker player) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

As noted elsewhere, "quarter-professional" is likely a neologism invented by the redirects' creator, and is unlikely to be useful. Based on the references being used to support a lot of these odd redirects, I am starting to think that the creator has been using Wikipedia for SEO for an online poker site. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:56, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Calvin Anderson (bracelet winner)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Calvin Anderson (bracelet winner) → 2014 World Series of Poker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Calvin Anderson (razz player)">Calvin Anderson (razz player) → Calvin Anderson (poker player) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Calvin Anderson (semi-professional poker player)">Calvin Anderson (semi-professional poker player) → Calvin Anderson (poker player) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Calvin Anderson (high-stakes poker player)">Calvin Anderson (high-stakes poker player) → Calvin Anderson (poker player) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Calvin Anderson (midstakes poker player)">Calvin Anderson (midstakes poker player) → Calvin Anderson (poker player) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

More unnecessary redirects from overly-specific-but-still-ambiguous disambiguators, all but one targeting the only poker player named Calvin Anderson with a Wikipedia article. Some were mentioned in Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 2 but no actions were suggested for these. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:50, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete the last four per CSD G8, the first one was created by a sock and should be deleted as well. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:48, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
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Jeremy Kottler (real estate broker)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:39, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Jeremy Kottler (real estate broker)">Jeremy Kottler (real estate broker) → Jeremy Kottler (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Jeremy Kottler (poker player)">Jeremy Kottler (poker player) → Jeremy Kottler (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

More unnecessary disambiguators, as there is only one Jeremy Kottler with an article on Wikipedia. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:42, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Jan-Peter Jachtmann (poker player)
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:20, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Jan-Peter Jachtmann (poker player)">Jan-Peter Jachtmann (poker player) → Jan-Peter Jachtmann (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Jan-Peter Jachtmann (editor-in-chief)">Jan-Peter Jachtmann (editor-in-chief) → Jan-Peter Jachtmann (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary disambiguation; there is only one Jan-Peter Jachtmann with an article on Wikipedia. Delete per WP:RFD (a reader looking for this person can just type their name and the article will come up). Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete: WP:G8, target pages have been deleted under WP:G5. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 19:00, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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 * this page was not eligible for G5 deletion, the creator was not evading any sanction when the page was created, unless you know something I don't. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:30, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I went a bit bold and looked at the account creation dates. There is no way they didn't know they were doing something wrong with one account being made in 2019. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Amy Muller
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination.  Jay  💬 05:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Amy Muller → William Heise (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. While the redirect has text below the redirect line noting this was a film directed by William Heise, which was release in 1896; we have no mention of this film anywhere on Wikipedia, so it seems this redirect should be deleted unless details of the film are added, at the very least in a sourced filmography section, on William Heise's article. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 17:28, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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David Larson (low stakes poker player)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:39, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="David Larson (low stakes poker player)">David Larson (low stakes poker player) → David Larson (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I believe this is the last of the David Larson redirects. Delete or retarget to David Larson (disambiguation) as all the others. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:28, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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2012 World Championship of Online Poker Main Event
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * 2012 World Championship of Online Poker Main Event → Marat 'maratik' Sharafutdinov (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Page move detritus. The creator tried an end-run of AFD by recreating the currently-targeted article at this location and then using a sock to close the discussion, but that copy has been merged back into the target. We do not have an article on this championship other than a results table at World Championship of Online Poker, which does identify a "main event" but both sources supporting it are dead. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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2012 World Championship of Onliner Poker
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * 2012 World Championship of Onliner Poker → 2012 World Championship of Online Poker Main Event (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete; implausible error. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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David Larson (circuit player)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:43, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="David Larson (circuit player)">David Larson (circuit player) → David Larson (poker player) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Circuit player" is not an adequate disambiguator. Either retarget to David Larson (disambiguation) or delete. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Rokusho Shrine, (Toyota)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Rokusho Shrine, (Toyota)">Rokusho Shrine, (Toyota) → Rokusho Shrine, Okazaki (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The comma then parentheses is implausible. If there's a precedent for keeping these let me know and I'll withdraw. C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 17:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note - fixed the nomination header. I don't use it but the Page Curation script doesn't seem to be working properly with the RFD header. Does it look like it's working on your end? This may need a bug report. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ivanvector, I noticed that and was going to fix it but was beat to it. My mobile data is pretty shoddy here, so I'd blame that, but will do more testing when I get home. C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 17:14, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I just encountered the same bug above, so I think that it's an issue with the page curation tool, as I'm on desktop with a fast wifi connection. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 17:30, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * seems to be a known bug, see T345485. C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 18:54, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unnatural per nom. Duckmather (talk) 13:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Duckmather.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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David Larson (quarter-professional poker player)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 14:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="David Larson (quarter-professional poker player)">David Larson (quarter-professional poker player) → David Larson (poker player) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="David Larson (amateur poker player)">David Larson (amateur poker player) → David Larson (WPT winner) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Renominating these since the closer of the recent discussion was a sockpuppet of the page's creator, and because new information may have come to light which I think salts the previous discussion; I will notify the participants, though. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * As promised, courtesy ping, who actually was the only participant in the previous discussion other than now-blocked sockpuppets. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:53, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete ; weak keep  As I stated at the old RfD, I don't believe quarter-professional poker player to be a term that is used to describe poker players, as I have found pretty much nothing to subtantiate that. It does seem that David Larson the WPT winner is the only David Larson who is an amateur poker player we have any content on, as the other David Larson claimed to be an amateur poker player at David Larson (disambiguation) is not mentioned at 2015 World Series of Poker, where it is claimed that amateur David Larson participated. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 17:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, the term "quarter-professional poker player" is not in use anywhere, plus the socking issues. Fram (talk) 17:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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David Larson (casual poker player)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:41, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="David Larson (casual poker player)">David Larson (casual poker player) → 2015 World Series of Poker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="David Larson (aria casino player)">David Larson (aria casino player) → 2015 World Series of Poker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, not mentioned at target Fram (talk) 14:14, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - in all the different redirect discussions we've been going through over what seems like the last month or more with all the Davids Larson, I'm not sure how nobody noticed that there isn't actually a David Larson listed on the World Series page at all. We have David Larson (disambiguation) but we wouldn't list a "casual" player there. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:39, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: The previous discussion was closed by User:The Micronesian-Corsican Revolution, who is the same user as User:TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee, so it was an WP:INVOLVED close. This also means it was an inappropriate use of an alternative account, namely contributing to the same page or discussion with multiple accounts. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:47, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Contributing to the same page or discussion is permitted with clearly disclosed multiple accounts. please make sure you disclose properly (you haven't), and do not close discussions you have participated in. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay no, never mind. Micronesian has closed several discussions that BumbleBee started or participated in, all in favour of BumbleBee's opinion even if consensus was against the suggestion. I'm undoing all of those closes, and blocks are coming. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Very much my bad on not noticing that David Larson wasn't at the proposed target at the previous redirect in the comments. I somehow neglected to check that the target proposed actually mentioned the redirect subject, which is my bad. Delete as there is no such David Larson who is a casual poker player, as someone who is a casual poker player, very likely woud not qualify for wikipedia on notability for being a casual poker player, unless there are other extraordinary circumstances. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 14:52, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I've added David Larson (aria casino player). It should be deleted for the same reasons: neither David Larson nor "aria casino" are mentioned at the target, and I don't see any reason to make a new discussion for this. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Plus see, the term "aria casino player" doesn't seem to be in use anywhere, so very unlikely search term in any case? Fram (talk) 17:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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David Larson (midstakes poker player)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 14:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="David Larson (midstakes poker player)">David Larson (midstakes poker player) → David Larson (WPT winner) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading and odd... the target describes him as a "low-stakes" player. I don't know anything about poker, but it seems to me that "low-stakes" and "midstakes" are not synonymous. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 00:59, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * We have three different poker player named David Larson. The first set of redirects (quarter-professional; amateur; casual) were listed here after it mistakingly was thought of as one player. Upon the listing, on a request belong the discussion, I then created a set of new redirects (2 redirects + 1 new article (amateur --> WPT winner; casual --> aria casino player) + (David Larson (poker player). As an experiment I concludingly created a third set of redirects (low stakes poker player --> poker player; midstakes poker player --> WPT winner; micro stakes poker player --> 2015 World Series of Poker. Now we have three unique sets of listing the David Larsons! TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 05:44, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Link to previous Rfd --> Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_August_22

Relisting comment: Thoughts on retargeting? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 04:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete too confusing when there are multiple players with the same name. Not sure why is "experimenting" creating confusing redirects? Polyamorph (talk) 21:26, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Larson (surname), where all three poker players named David Larson are listed with better descriptions, so readers can figure out for themselves which David Larson they're looking for instead of relying on what might be confusing or misleading disambiguators. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Relisting following a reversion of an WP:INVOLVED close by the redirect creator. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:40, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate all, along with other David Larsons. I saw the earlier RfDs and didn't join then, but re-thinking this, these redirects are too confusingly muddled to be helpful. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Page created at David Larson (disambiguation). --Paul_012 (talk) 06:19, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Regarding the adequacy of the existing surname page, The current David Larson article doesn't actually seem to be the clear primary topic, and the name would benefit from disambiguation. I've started an RM. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:38, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Similar page (under similar discussion) (David Larson (micro stakes player)) already redirected (to disambiguation). Also redirected David Larson (low stakes poker player) to the same disambiguation. The ongoing discussion per requested move will go on concurrently. Think we can close this now. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 07:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Question Can multiple people with the name reasonably be called a "midstakes poker player"? The articles don't make that clear. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:47, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: There was a previous RfD I started with similarly confusing named redirects created by the same person here Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 22. I'm unsure entirely as to what is happening here because it does seem like as commented by Tavix, that these terms are not widely used, if used much at all. I understand the need to disambiguate between the many different David Larsons who play poker, and I think that these are good faith efforts to disambiguate them, but I am unsure if they are useful if they're not widely used. I think it's possible that sending all redirects to David Larson (disambiguation) would be a solution, but I'm also not sure if having all of these redirects exist and going to the DAB is necessarily the best solution because they were intended to disambiguation specific people. I think that regardless of result, we should probably reconsider the redirects from the linked RfD as well, as they're related, but given two relists, far too late to bundle into this RfD. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 14:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm leaning delete on all of these now as it seems they will make it unreasonably difficult to locate the intended David Larson - there isn't an appropriate disambiguator which uniquely and unambiguously identifies each one of them. "Professional" seems subective (since all poker players play for money) and "stakes" is a term to describe poker games, not poker players. The "David Larson" titles should just target the disambiguation page, but we don't need several dozen of them. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:53, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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David Larson (micro stakes poker player)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 14:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="David Larson (micro stakes poker player)">David Larson (micro stakes poker player) → 2015 World Series of Poker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Based on my searches, "micro stakes" is not synonymous with "low-stakes" how Larson is described in the article. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 01:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * We have three different poker player named David Larson. The first set of redirects (quarter-professional; amateur; casual) were listed here after it mistakingly was thought of as one player. Upon the listing, on a request belong the discussion, I then created a set of new redirects (2 redirects + 1 new article (amateur --> WPT winner; casual --> aria casino player) + (David Larson (poker player). As an experiment I concludingly created a third set of redirects (low stakes poker player --> poker player; midstakes poker player --> WPT winner; micro stakes poker player --> 2015 World Series of Poker. Now we have three unique sets of listing the David Larsons! TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 05:44, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Link to previous Rfd --> Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_August_22

Relisting comment: Relisting following a reversion of an WP:INVOLVED close by the redirect creator. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:39, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete and disambiguate - this redirect is nonstandard and evidently won't be useful even to someone with quite detailed knowledge of professional poker, since "micro stakes" seems to be a term invented by the redirect's creator. However, besides the three poker players we also have David Larson and David Larson (athlete), and a disambiguation for these individuals would be more useful than experimenting with redirects. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:31, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Never mind disambiguation: there's already Larson (surname) where all three poker players and both athletes are already listed under the Sports subheading. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:34, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Question Can multiple people with the name reasonably be called a "micro stakes poker player"? Is this a known term in poker? -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Restating my delete !vote, as besides my original rationale above, has also pointed out in a different discussion above that there is no David Larson mentioned at the target. I did find a source for "micro stakes", though: according to Upswing Poker, a spammy instructional site, "micro stakes" is the lowest level of stakes in organized poker, usually only found in online games, with stakes up to twenty-five cents. I don't know why we would ever have an article on a micro stakes poker player, nor why anyone would come to Wikipedia looking for information on them. For the other discussions, this website also defines "low", "mid/medium", and "high" stakes. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:43, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Ivanvector. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:52, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Chicken Poutine
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 18%23Chicken Poutine

Zoomer perm
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 14:23, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Zoomer perm → wiktionary:Special:Search/zoomer perm (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per WP:SSRT, most dicdefs on Wiktionary shouldn't get a soft redirect here. Fram (talk) 10:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - we don't seem to have any information on this hairstyle. As far as I know it's not the same as a chemical perm as described in Perm (hairstyle) so that's not an appropriate target, but probably an article could be written that this could redirect to, such as Bird's nest (hairstyle). I didn't see anything suitable at List of hairstyles either. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: out of WP:REDYES concerns. It seems very much, like as noted above by Ivanvector, that this is its own hairstyle and probably should deserve its own article. If detail is added to List of hairstyles, I'd support a retarget to there with an R with possibilities tag. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 13:21, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I've created a very rough draft stub at Draft:Bird's nest (hairstyle). Appears to be a notable topic, and can be sourced to fashion magazines rather than celebrity blogs, but may only be worth an entry at Perm (hairstyle) or List of hairstyles. I'll have to come back to it or someone else can work on it. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for creating this draft btw. Nervelita :3🏳️‍⚧️ (talk) 17:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Adoption in China
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy close  . See WP:RENOM. The previous discussion was relisted, so there was more than a week to air concerns about the suggested retarget. Otherwise, closers are usually receptive if you ask them to back out of their closure and relist if you explain why you feel that'd be productive. On the other hand, immediately renominating is disruptive because it undermines the previous discussion and the consensus therein. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 13:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Adoption in China → China Center of Adoption Affairs (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A broad and obviously notable topic should not probably redirect to one of presumably several organizations that are relevant to it. This should be a red topic per WP:RED. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 10:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy close per WP:OTHERPARENT. Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 4 closed less than four hours before Piotrus renominated the page. If the nominator wanted to challenge the close, the proper venue is WP:DRV. Courtesy ping closing admin . Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:14, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. I don't know what will be right here. Should another editor speedy close this? Don't know if me closing this twice in 2 days will be too involved. Jay  💬 05:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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Miranda (mother of Frances)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  04:13, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Miranda (mother of Frances)">Miranda (mother of Frances) → Frances the Mute (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect was created from some dubious OR that is not mentioned at the target article, nor should it be. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 22:33, 4 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 05:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete - unclear from target what this is supposed to mean. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Klaǐpēda
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  04:13, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Klaǐpēda">Klaǐpēda → Klaipėda (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think people will look up "Klaipeda" with those weird diacritics on them, it looks like an implausible search term to me. Reminds me of Čanada and Ğööğle which were deleted due to similar issues. <span style="font-family:monospace,Courier;color:#414245">#prodraxis connect 03:30, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete I doubt anyone will search for this, but I did a bit of digging to figure out where this even came from. A very early revision of the Wikipedia article on Klaipėda used "klaǐpēda" as a "simplified phonetic transcription for Lithuanian" (click link for more), which is a non-standard notation invented by Wikipedia and which has been marked as obsolete, rightfully replaced by IPA. Curiously, the Latin character ǐ is not used in any language of the region, but it reminds me a bit of Cyrillic й, used to represent the glide /j/ (often in diphthongs) instead of и which represents the vowel sound /i/. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 03:52, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk &#124; edits) Feel free to ping me! 10:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Largest economies
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of countries by GDP (nominal). (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Largest economies → Lists of sovereign states and dependent territories (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I suggest retargeting to List of countries by GDP (nominal). Nominal GDP is the usual method by which the sizes of economies are measured, so targeting a generic list of lists will surprise many readers. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom, looks like a more suitable target. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 10:47, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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