Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 12

September 12
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 12, 2023.

Triton (programming language)
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . The AfD was far more recent than I thought at first, I misread it as 2022 instead of 2023 somehow, and I don't want to seem to be WP:FORUMSHOPPING. (non-admin closure) TartarTorte 23:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Triton (programming language) → OpenAI (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I feel a bit odd nominating this as this redirect was the result of this AfD, Articles for deletion/Triton (programming language); however, I find that this redirect is not particularly helpful. While Triton is a programming language developed by OpenAI, it's not mentioned in the article, or anywhere on enwiki from what I could find. It seems like it might best serve the reader to not have this redirect exist if there is no information about it at the target. TartarTorte 23:29, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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Northern Ireland language in Northern Ireland
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Northern Ireland language in Northern Ireland → Languages of Northern Ireland (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. This is a redirect from a requested page move. I agree with the sentiment of the consensus from the request, which said that the title defies common sense and that there is no such "Northern Ireland language". The redirect has no pageviews in the last ninety days and no main-namespace internal backlinks, and since the move was made while the article was very small – only about three months after its creation, I doubt it has any external backlinks either. This redirect – being clearly unlikely to be searched for – can only cause confusion. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk &#124; edits) Feel free to ping me! 22:52, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * FYI, Ahrefs only picks up on one external backlink, from a Wikipedia mirror. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  04:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. A highly questionable, obscure and "novel" term that is not mentioned in the target (for good reason*). Per WP:RFD. If was a newly created redirect would likely meet speedy WP:R3 - as an implausible typo/misnomer. (I say "good reason" as "Northern Ireland language in Northern Ireland" isn't a thing. No more than "United States language in United States" has any reality....) Guliolopez (talk) 09:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Northern Ireland language and Language in Northern Ireland are both plausible search terms for someone want to know what language(s) are spoken and/or official in Northern Ireland. The two together are not. Thryduulf (talk) 11:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: as per reasons above. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:52, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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Dynamic Island
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 20%23Dynamic Island

Forced march
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure)  Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  16:14, 19 September 2023 (UTC) I wanted to write a GA or something for my 10,000th edit, but instead I closed this RfD.


 * Forced march → Loaded march (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This target does not match the scope of Category:Forced marches, which consists of events where people were compelled by authorities to march. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:31, 4 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 20:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Death march: I'm not entirely sure if this is a perfect target for it, but it seems to cover the far more common use of this term, even if it is a subset of forced marches. Weak retarget because it does not fully encompass the meaning of the term, but seems to be the article on wikipedia for now that has the most information on it. This should also probably be tagged with R with possibilities, as there likely is an article to be written about forced marches as a more general concept. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 13:26, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate both the current and Torte's target are forced march -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 22:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Dabify to Loaded march and Death march per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:10, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to death march with a hatnote to loaded march. "Forced" and "death" marches are basically synonymous, the only real difference being in how successful they are (and who is defining "success"). The army drill seems to only be called a "forced" march in the US Army exclusively (and not even in other divisions of the US armed forces), and this is not Americapedia. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:43, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not American but am aware of both meanings, so disambiguation seems appropriate here. Later, we can see if the traffic patterns indicate the need for a primary topic redirect. --Joy (talk) 18:28, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate: searching for "forced march" gives definitions of "loaded march" on online dictionaries, so a retarget to death march seems inappropriate. Per rationale for disambiguating instead of keeping the current redirect. –Vipz (talk) 12:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * @Edward-Woodrow what prevents you from interpreting that disambiguation is the consensus here? Four people said so, and the other proposals were a retarget explicitly marked as weak because of ambiguity, and a retarget with the use of a hatnote (which is also a method of disambiguation). Putting in a simple disambiguation page in place would hardly seem to be a controversial end to this discussion :) --Joy (talk) 10:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I was mostly going on Tartartorte's weak retarget and Ivanvector's lengthly argument, based on WP:NOTVOTE. If I read it wrong, I'm happy to close the discussion (I originally was going to close it as disambiguate), but was a little unsure and figured a relist couldn't hurt). Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 11:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate and include at least a see also to forced displacement. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:12, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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Lumpenism
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 21%23Lumpenism

List of Virat Kohli ODI Half-Centuries
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * List of Virat Kohli ODI Half-Centuries → Virat Kohli (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading redirect, as the target article doesn't contain a list of half-centuries by Virat Kohli, and never will do, as that would violate WP:INDISCRIMINATE <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: He's hit 60+ thus far in his ODI career, so it would be pretty indiscriminate to list them all on his page. It seems like the page, before being WP:BLARred in 2016 listed two of his half centuries, but as we already have List of international cricket centuries by Virat Kohli, it seems that unless that article is expanded to also include half centuries, which I oppose, this redirect should be deleted as WP:SURPRISE as the target has no information contained in the redirect title. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 13:03, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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Best Comedy Album
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 * The result of the discussion was turn to Set index  . There is consensus to turn this into a Set index, and the participants, or the nom, or anyone else may go ahead and do it.  Jay  💬 04:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Best Comedy Album → Grammy Award for Best Comedy Album (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Too general a term to be a redirect. Just from this search, I can see multiple other awards with this name. It's entirely possible that none of those awards are themselves notable, but there's enough to make this seem inappropriate to me. Either delete this or convert it to a dab page. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 09:21, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Set index - the page gets a lot of use. I agree with the nom but I don't think deletion would be a net benefit. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd be in favour of creating a set index or disambiguation. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:11, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Now that I'm aware that set indexes are a thing that exist and are distinguishable from dab pages (Thank you WP:SETNOTDAB), I should say that that appears to be more in line with what I was thinking, and I would support that solution. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 20:12, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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Chief of Armed Forces
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Chief of the Armed Forces.  Jay  💬 05:00, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Chief of Armed Forces → Chief of Defence Force (Somalia) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Leftover after a page-move, but this is not the only "Chief of Armed Forces" in existence. Would recommend retargeting to Chief of the Armed Forces or some other suitable alternative. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:24, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Buckshot06 (talk) 01:14, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Chief of the Armed Forces per nom; probably our best target, as I'm assuming we don't have a list/DAB with all variations of the title for every country, and there's no other Chief of Armed Forces. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  04:00, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Chief of the Armed Forces per Skarmory. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 09:23, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom, makes sense. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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