Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 20

September 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 20, 2023.

Wolftopia
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 21:31, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Wolftopia → TOI-1338 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Subject of a tiresome offwiki campaign to rename the star after the founder. No reliable sources suggest this is an alternative name for the star, and is not mentioned in article. OhNo itsJamie Talk 23:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:PROMO -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 15:23, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:PROMO; no reason to have this redirect. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 06:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Captain Hindsight
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:28, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Captain Hindsight → Coon 2: Hindsight (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Is this the primary topic (has become a famous nickname for Kier Starmer by Rishi Sunak now). No clear disambiguation here; I think deleting it would be best. GnocchiFan (talk) 17:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 20:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  22:23, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd keep it, at least for the time being. I can imagine people remembering "Coon 2: Hindsight" by the "Rise of Captain Hindsight" in its original title and thereby finding the target article through this redirect.  If "Captain Hindsight" as an attack on Kier Starmer gets established, we can turn this into a disambiguation page like Tricky Dick and Slick Willy.  However, I suspect this particular nickname is going to fade with the news cycle --- in fact, it already did back when Boris Johnson first tried it out in November 2020.  (This in turn led to Johnson being dubbed "General Incompetence", "Captain Clueless" and "Major Disaster", none of which are still widely used, to my knowledge.) --David Schaich Talk/Cont 20:00, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - while I understand the above, there is no indication that this film is known by this particular excerpt of the title. I agree with the point about Starmer's nickname disappearing as soon as it appears, though, and wouldn't give any weight to that. --194.33.196.5 (talk) 11:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - apparently a working title for the TV episode subject, and a central character in it. Political attacks don't make good redirects, it's too easy to fall afoul of WP:RECENTISM and WP:G10. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. I reckon this redirect is popular enough to be a dab page, even though I'm normally more wary than most here. There's a fair few news articles that prominently mention this nickname. Nicknames aren't BLP problems or the like for mine, well we've got lists of them and other media don't feel shy of using them let alone mentioning them. Tough one though.  J947  † edits 20:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment as a general smear, it is more that just Starmer, as it has been used before that. So, a more general target about commentary for hindsight being 20/20 for critics should be added if such an article exists, if this is disambiguated -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 09:50, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per David Schaich and add hatnote for Kier Starmer. A Google search for "captain hindsight" reveals that the South Park character remains the primary topic by far. If the hatnote becomes obsolete after a while as such political terms tend to do, it can be removed; this is an example of recentism in my opinion. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk &#124; edits) Feel free to ping me! 17:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
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Foreign Economic Relations Board of Turkey (
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 * The result of the discussion was Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 04:23, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Foreign Economic Relations Board of Turkey ( → Foreign Economic Relations Board of Turkey (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Very short-lived disambiguation error at page creation. WP:R3 was declined since it's probably a touch too old (4 July 2023). Skynxnex (talk) 18:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:20, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom as a typical WP:RDAB WP:UNNATURAL situation. Duckmather (talk) 23:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC) ; amended 03:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually I temporarily had forgotten that WP:RDAB only applies when the target is a disambiguation page, so I'm amending my !vote slightly. Duckmather (talk) 03:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:22, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. I recall a discussion a couple of years ago about links that end with a parethesis being useful for StackExchange users, due to the external link format used on that site.  Was a global decision reached then? Tevildo (talk) 17:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tevildo do you mean Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 27? If so, that discussion about missing trailing ")"s, probably because of their URL parser excluding them (and/or something Markdown due to its link syntax) and it ended in delete. There may have been some other discussion(s) I haven't found. Skynxnex (talk) 15:50, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was the discussion. I see it's not relevant to this particular redirect - so, Delete per nom. Tevildo (talk) 16:16, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unhelpful.  J947  † edits 02:28, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unambiguously created in error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Snow delete: Highly implausible. C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 02:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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Template:R from deadname
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 5%23Template:R from deadname

Vacation (2054 film)
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . CSD G7 Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 00:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Vacation (2054 film)">Vacation (2054 film) → National Lampoon's Vacation (film series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No film in the series is set to be released in 2054. The redirect's page history suggests that this title is a typo for Vacation (2014 film) (which is itself a bit of a misnomer, because the film was only released on July 2015). Delete as an implausible typo. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 18:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Also only existed at this title for ~1 minute. Skynxnex (talk) 18:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - silly. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:58, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:20, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as implausible. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 21:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: As redirect originator I have no objections. Cannot remember why it was created to begin with. Rusted AutoParts  18:49, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
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Dynamic Island
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Participants did not see scope for a standalone article, but there is interest in having a section at the target.  Jay  💬 08:02, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Dynamic Island → IPhone 14 Pro (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No longer specific to just the iPhone 14 Pro, as this feature is also included on the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep but remove the section (just IPhone 14 Pro). It's still the target that answers reader questions about what it is. Alternatively would support a redirect to iPhone if the feature was covered in more depth there between the 14 Pro and 15 Pro versions, but there's still a chance that 14 Pro will always cover it better. czar  22:33, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominator comment: While there certainly is information about the dynamic island at the iPhone 14 Pro page, my perspective is that none of the three prose mentions of "dynamic island" are particularly worth the redirect's target, especially now that its a feature shared between multiple devices. Even if iPhone 14 Pro covers the feature better than iPhone does, I think it's better to aim towards a more general location that has links to multiple suitable devices, instead of just the one it debuted on. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Keep? Delete? Create an article? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Duckmather (talk) 18:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. WP:BALANCE suggests that we assign weight to subtopics within a topic based on the subtopic's prominence in reliable sources. In general, sources focused on consumer electronics would assign more weight to features in a given device which is new to the category or series of devices that the device belongs to, because that feature would be more noteworthy to that device (i.e. it sets that device apart from other devices in the same category) and readers would be more interested in learning how that feature works. So, sources covering iPhone 14 Pro would generally give more weight to the Dynamic Island because it is what set the iPhone 14 Pro apart compared to other iPhones and smartphones at the time, and because readers would want to learn more about this then-new feature. In contrast, sources covering the iPhone 15 and 15 Pro would give less weight to the Dynamic Island because it is no longer as noteworthy as a year ago; also, because readers already had a year to be acquainted with how the Dynamic Island works, there is less of a need for reliable sources to cover the feature in such prominence compared to last year when the Dynamic Island was a new thing. If we were to not have a standalone article on the Dynamic Island, WP:BALANCE would dictate that we assign greater weight to the Dynamic Island on the iPhone 14 Pro article compared to on the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro articles. Of course, any reader can convert this redirect to a standalone article if they so wish (see Retina display for a branded Apple feature having a standalone article), but for now the redirect should continue pointing to iPhone 14 Pro. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 16:29, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Create article - it's now used on four different series of phones that we have articles on. It can be split out of where it is now, with attribution. Note that the anchor doesn't exist in the current version of the article. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:30, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Stub drafted below the redirect, per my comment above. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Someone has decided they don't like having a draft below the redirect and is repeatedly removing it, so you'll have to see it at Special:Permalink/1176289267 for the time being. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:32, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Either the new article drafted above or, failing that, a retarget to a new manual anchor in iPhone that's placed at the paragraph in the History section that discusses the iPhone 14. The follow paragraph mentions it's also used in the 15. Skynxnex (talk) 19:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retargeting to a section added to a more general article like iPhone would also be suitable. I doubt the feature has standalone notability, since it's really just Apple's proprietary solution to a common issue with front-facing cameras. iPhone hardware already has #Screen and input and #Camera subsections where this could fit. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:17, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I also doubt the feature's standalone notability, hence the redirect. czar  12:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree, it wouldn't be notable or survive any NCORP scrutiny at AfD.
 * So keep unchanged. Redirecting to the product where a feature was first introduced is common practice. For example Continuity (Apple) redirects to OS X Yosemite, Mac Catalyst redirects to macOS Catalina, and there's more. DFlhb (talk) 16:42, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Create stub then propose merge to intended target page. Or, just create the new section, then retarget the redirect there. - Darker Dreams (talk) 04:39, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I drafted a stub already (Special:Permalink/1176289267), it was reverted by someone who still hasn't participated in this discussion (which is to say I wouldn't take their revert as an opinion on what to do with the redirect). Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:41, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I have undone 's last revert. Jay  💬 07:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Feminist (and unrefine). It was introduced with the iPhone 14 Pro, so that's where the greatest affinity lies. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:10, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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Dominion of Canada
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 27%23Dominion of Canada

Wanibaru
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of generation IX Pokémon. signed,Rosguill talk 15:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Wanibaru → Wēnibaru (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Nonexistent transliteration of Japanese name, correct spelling is Wēnibaru (which I moved the original page to) ArcticSeeress (talk) 11:02, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of generation IX Pokémon (where it targeted before OP moved the redirect to the new title) and tag R from misspelling, per WP:LINKROT. The redirect was at the former title for almost a year. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of generation IX Pokémon and tag as R from misspelling per Ivanvector. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 06:48, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of generation IX Pokémon and tag as per Ivanvector. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">🔥Jalapeño🔥  09:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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Kurasshu Bandikū Faibu: ēt Kurasshu to Korutekkusu no Yabō
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 15:14, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Kurasshu Bandikū Faibu: ēt Kurasshu to Korutekkusu no Yabō">Kurasshu Bandikū Faibu: ēt Kurasshu to Korutekkusu no Yabō → Crash Twinsanity (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Transliteration of Japanese translation of original English title, no practical relevance to Japan in article. ArcticSeeress (talk) 10:02, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORRED - no Japanese name is attested in the article and the topic is not especially Japanese - the developer is British and the publisher is American. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:57, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
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Visagate
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 27%23Visagate

Chulapo
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 * The result of the discussion was soft redirect  to chulapo. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 20:06, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Chulapo → Castizo (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Chulapo means a tradtionally-dressed person from Madrid (see chulapo). The article on Castizo pertains specifically to the historic Latin American racial term for someone of 3/4 Spanish and 1/4 Amerindian racial lineage. Casticismo discusses the different uses of terms derived from "casta". No connection is indicated between the racial use of "castizo" in colonial Latin America and the word "chulapo". Voltaigne (talk) 16:33, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:53, 13 September 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the target talk page. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 06:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to chulapo since it works and for lack of a better target (the existing mentions on enwiki are all in passing). Duckmather (talk) 22:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to chupalo per @Duckmather. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">🔥Jalapeño🔥 07:43, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
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Busy-signal equivalent (HTTP)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 27%23Busy-signal equivalent (HTTP)

Blood drive
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Blood donation. There's an avalanche! (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 20:32, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Blood drive → Blood Drive (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I propose that the clear primary meaning of "Blood drive" at this capitalization is Blood donation, and the title should redirect there. BD2412 T 01:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. But put a hatnote back to Blood Drive -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to blood donation per nominator. Clear WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT given the WP:DIFFCAPS. Merge all the hatnotes at the existing target to a Redirect-multi. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 06:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support retarget and relevant hatnotes. - Darker Dreams (talk) 07:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Blood donation per nom and 59.149.117.119, with hatnote to Blood Drive. 〜 Askarion   ✉  16:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nomination. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 21:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
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