Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 23

September 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 23, 2023.

Апрель
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 2%23Апрель

ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ ⵏ ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Duckmather (talk) 16:11, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


 * ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ ⵏ ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ → Morocco (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

this is both of the terms for Morocco in the Standard Moroccan Tamazight language (ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ and ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ), copied from the infobox which is why "|" separates them. there are already two separate redirects for the separate terms, and i cannot imagine someone typing both terms separated by | into wikipedia. greyzxq talk 22:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It isn't the pipe character, it is the yan character in the Tifinagh script used to write the Berber languages. In fact, it is impossible to include the pipe character in the name of a page. This is a part of the full name of the country, as can be seen in the Moroccan government's website in the Amazigh translation (part of the banner image in top-right). Randi🦋TalkContribs 13:58, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Additionally, while I do not know the language in any fashion and cannot find a Standard Moroccan Tamazigh–English dictionary, the website seems to consistently use only ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ to refer to Morocco, so ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ is presumably the "Kingdom" part of the name rather than being used to refer to Morocco, so the ⵜⴰⴳⵍⴷⵉⵜ redirect is likely invalid. Randi🦋TalkContribs 14:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per findings of Randi Moth. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 19:32, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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Köhli
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 18:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Köhli → Virat Kohli (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The current target is inappropriate as I can find nothing with Virat Kohli's naming being spelled with an umlaut, but it seems like it's because this originally redirect to Kohli, which was converted to a redirect to Virat Kohli, before being converted back to what it is now. Having said that, there is no one at Kohli whose name is spelled with an umlaut either, so this would best be deleted. TartarTorte 16:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete - The redirect as it stands does not make sense. "Köhli" with an umlaut is neither mentioned anywhere in the target article nor is it spelt that way in RS.
 * Lord Clayton7 (talk) 19:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete: as per nom, nobody with surname Kohli and an article here uses an umlaut in their surname. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 20:54, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:00, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Kohli. It appears that the German surname is indeed sometimes spelled with an umlaut, see, e.g., . - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete and maybe recreate later as redirect to Kohli per Presidentman. That surname page has 50+ entries but only two Swiss-German names Fränzi Mägert-Kohli and Martin Kohli, and they don't use the umlaut. Jay  💬 05:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
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Foldi Valley
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Duckmather (talk) 16:33, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Foldi Valley → Foladi Valley (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect from page move, nothing links to it. Un-needed redirect now - <kbd style="color: Red;">Rich T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 11:11, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: cheap, harmless, unambiguous. Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  16:02, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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Gluglug
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 3%23Gluglug

LancetGate
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 3%23LancetGate

Australian Christian Channel
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of digital television channels in Australia. Further discussion or action on the restoration of the 2022 deleted version can be independent of this RfD.  Jay  💬 06:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Australian Christian Channel → Subscription television in Australia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unhelpful – no mention at target. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 21:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to List of digital television channels in Australia, where this particular TV channel is mentioned. Duckmather (talk) 15:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Duckmather, an article under this title was previously deleted by @Jimfbleak as a G11 speedy deletion. I would restore the previous article but rewritten. The channel was rebranded as GOOD in June 2022, per this reference by Christian Media & Arts Australia. I am also pinging Jimfbleak to leave his opinion on this redirect discussion. Yours sincerely, TechGeek105 (his talk page) 08:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The reason why I would like the former article under this title, and the ACCTV redirect that formerly targeted the article, to be restored, is because before the deletion, the article had 10 references, and I would like to add more references to the article. Yours sincerely, TechGeek105 (his talk page) 08:29, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:55, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. I deleted this it was blatant spam mostly written by an obvious COI ip account. I know little about Oz TV, and I'm happy to leave it to those who know what they are doing <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - <i style="font-family:arial;color:green">talk to me?</i> 12:47, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd also be ok with having the article formerly at this title restored (and maybe immediately AfD'd after, if the references therein aren't quite paragons of reliability). Duckmather (talk) 16:38, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hm. If it was, as Jimfbleak said, then I'm not crazy about having it restored, even if it's taken to AfD right after. If there were good references there, then maybe someone could look at the deleted page and extract those references. We don't even need a WP:RESEARCHER; it's on archive.org . Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 16:48, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, based on the archived version you found, I wouldn't be excited about having it restored either (the article mostly depends on primary sources, though with a few citations to The Australian). I think that either restoring and AfD'ing or retargeting to List of digital television channels in Australia as I originally proposed would be good outcomes. (And if we AfD, we can decide whether to merge or just redirect at that time!) Duckmather (talk) 15:27, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget per Duckmather above. This is RfD, not DRV - if someone wants the prior deleted article restored they should go there. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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ZeGidPay
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 14:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * ZeGidPay → Union Bank (Pakistan) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect was created via a page move of Union Bank (Pakistan). At a guess, this was a way to create a new (essentially spam) article without appearing to create an article. I reverted the move, leaving behind a redirect, although it isn't clear to me that the two titles are in any way related. There has since been a reverted attempt to convert the redirect into a (somewhat spammy) article, again reverted. I think it might be best to remove the redirect completely. It is currently an orphan. Lithopsian (talk) 16:21, 14 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:53, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Restore and AFD or delete – no connection between the redirect and target, as far as I can see, but there was an article on the subject of the redirect before. Don't think the article in the history is quite in G11 territory, but it's certainly not suitable for mainspace; I'm not seeing notability here, so it probably shouldn't go to draftspace either. I'd rather take something like this through a normal deletion process, whether that be AFD, PROD or CSD, than delete it at an RFD discussion, but I don't think it has much chance to survive either way. There is no point to keeping the redirect around, though. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  16:13, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete The article in the history is a near-A7. There's nothing worth restoring. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Pppery; the article is not worth restoring with nothing reliable to establish notability. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 18:19, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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The Files
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to File.  Jay  💬 05:51, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The Files → NASA Astronaut Group 23 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect was created as the "nickname of NASA Astronaut Group 23", which is actually a typo because the group is called "The Flies".

That being said, we already have an article about The Flies, a separate entity to the astronaut group, and this title is a single character transposition from that.

In terms of possiblities, one suggestion is retargeting to The Flies as a plausible typo(?). My other main thought is to lean into the name, and target File, which contains a number of different titles consisting of "The [X] Files".

When writing that out, the X happened to represent a variable in place of different words; but, despite this, The X-Files could maaaybe be a possibility as well. Or just deletion. But right now I think File is likely the best candidate for retargeting. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J947  † edits 02:52, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to File (disambiguation) -- where an album and a film series could be intended -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 12:48, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague and confusing. Note that none of the items listed on File are specifically referred to by the exact string "The Files", and an onwiki search (which is what the reader would see if this redirect was deleted) shows that the phrase is just as vague as it seems. However, it seems plausible that readers looking for "The Files" could be looking for things whose names are of the form "The [something] Files" (which a google search backs up), so retargeting to File could be a vaguely plausible target (in addition to The Flies as the nom suggests) if we opt not to delete. Duckmather (talk) 03:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
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 * Retarget to File as ambiguous. Counter Duckmather I would say that The Files: The Greatest Hits could easily be referred to without its subtitle. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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Helena Mankowska
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 30%23Helena Mankowska

ᗅᗺᗷᗅ
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 05:54, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="ᗅᗺᗷᗅ">ᗅᗺᗷᗅ → ABBA (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems very unlikely to actually be useful to anyone, the only other page that links here is another stylization with the letters ᗅ and ᗷ replaced with normal As and Bs (AᗺBA &middot;&#32; they're homoglyphs), and there was only one page view in the past 90 days. LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 01:17, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: unambiguous and harmless. Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  16:04, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:18, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * keep per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not used or helpful. Perhaps its unambiguous and harmless, but someone's gone through the effort to nominate it, so the work is done. Might as well continue with this clean up task instead of wasting the effort. Grk1011 (talk) 13:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, this is the anagram that the group has used, which is likely just as convenient to type as "AᗺBA" to begin with. For people using this valid stylization as a search term, this redirect can serve its purpose once in a while. And if unused, it's still unambiguous and harmless per Edward. It's a style which is pertinent to the article, and any usage makes this worth it. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:45, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a valid stylization as Utopes has correctly pointed out. No reason for deletion. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:57, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
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Password hint
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 05:57, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Password hint → Security question (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A password hint is a cleartext displayed to the user when they requested so. A security question requires the user to answer a question to reset their password. They are not the same thing. Requesting to delete. <span style="font-family:system-ui,Inter,-apple-system,sans-serif;background-color:#f3f3fe;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:3px;white-space:nowrap">NM 00:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: There is surprisingly no good target for this on wikipedia. Delete per nom. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 02:27, 23 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per TartarTorte - <kbd style="color: Red;">Rich T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 11:13, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per TartarTorte although I think this might be a good section in an article in the future -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:26, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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Alpha-naphthyl thiourea (Antu)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 06:03, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Alpha-naphthyl thiourea (Antu)">Alpha-naphthyl thiourea (Antu) → Α-Naphthylthiourea (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirects where the an expansion of an abbreviation is followed by the abbreviation in parentheses should be avoided, due to confusion with disambiguation. In this case, there is an incorrect space and the initialism is capitalized (ANTU); all these factors indicate this is highly unlikely to be useful and should be deleted due to the potential for confusion. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:21, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Redirects are costly: "Titles that have both a name and an abbreviation". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:03, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:COSTLY and Shhhnotsoloud. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 17:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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