Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 9

September 9
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 9, 2023.

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Shen Menglu
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 * The result of the discussion was article created  . All of the delete !votes having been struck or having their conditions satisfied by creation of the article, this discussion is moot. (involved close) Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC) Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Shen Menglu → Shen Mengyu (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a misapplied redirect: Shen Mengyu and Shen Menglu are two different people, both footballers who happen to play for the same club at present. Not sure if Menglu would be eligible for an article at present, but this redirect is just incorrect so should be deleted leaving the redlink, can't see any other way round it. Crowsus (talk) 21:59, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah, wow. When I came across the redlink for Shen Minglu back in January, I had no idea she was a different player from Shen Mingyu, and thought it was simply an error in the reporting! Chinese expatriate footballers usually have a fair amount of coverage, so when I get home later today, I’ll have a look and see if Shen Minglu has enough coverage for GNG. Sorry! Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 10:41, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Crowsus Okay I've gone through and added information to the article, I believe Shen meets GNG pretty comfortably with significant coverage in China. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 12:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:REDLINK and WP:RFD, unless an article is drafted first. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:22, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Of course an article can and should be created if Shen Menglu is notable. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:30, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Delete  per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:28, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Reminds me of Brady Feigl. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk &#124; edits) Feel free to ping me! 11:38, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Pinging @Ivanvector @Mx. Granger @Lenticel and @CopperyMarrow15 for reconsideration following draft creation at Shen Menglu. Thanks! Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 13:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me – keep the new article. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:32, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Remove redirect and keep the new article. Nicely done, Davidlofgren1996! –CopperyMarrow15 (talk &#124; edits) Feel free to ping me! 20:35, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Request to withdraw, as nominator, if possible (or close now as resolved) - User:Davidlofgren1996 has now created a very adequate article on the correct person, so the misplaced redirect is no longer an issue. Crowsus (talk) 17:39, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Close as the redirect is now an article -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:25, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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Ferry Pier Terminus
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  .  ✗  plicit  00:46, 16 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Ferry Pier Terminus → Tuen Mun Ferry Pier stop (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While I think this title is a bit vague/ambiguous, apparently it was the historic name for the article it currently points to. When I first saw this, I thought of San Francisco Ferry Building. Could probably refer to other ferry terminals as well. Not too sure what to do, possibly a hatnote or otherwise on the target page to fix the ambiguity? Or dab page? Fork99 (talk) 23:31, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * No useful incoming links either. Fork99 (talk) 23:36, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:32, 2 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 21:42, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT, given this was the exact name on the signboard, all the Google Books hits are about this one and I cannot find any other examples of this exact name in title case being used to refer to other places. WP:PTMs like Tsing Yi Ferry Terminus, Hung Hom Ferry Pier Bus Terminus, or North Point Ferry Pier Bus Terminus might be worth a redirect-distinguish hatnote at most. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 01:10, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Countrycore
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Ministry of Helth
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Ministry of Health as this is where the proposed target redirects to.  ✗  plicit  23:58, 16 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Ministry of Helth → Minister for Health and Aged Care (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Renominating per the last discussion in which Minister for Helth was retargeted to Doug Everingham. Keep or retarget? If retarget, redirect to Doug Everingham (to match Department of Helth and Minister for Helth) or Ministry of Health (as r from misspelling)? – Scyrme (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * As a note, I deliberately nominated these two "of Helth" redirects separately as they won't necessarily be retargeted to the same place. Please don't bundle them. – Scyrme (talk) 17:15, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Ministry of Health (disambiguation) - confusingly, Australian Cabinet ministers oversee Cabinet departments, not ministries. This misspelling should go to the disambiguation page. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:23, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ministry of Health (disambiguation) as R from misspelling. See my comments below. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:59, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ministry of Health (disambiguation) as /  -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 18:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ministry of Health (disambiguation) and tag as misspelling per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:48, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Minister of Helth
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Health Minister. (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 16:13, 17 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Minister of Helth → Minister for Health and Aged Care (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Renominating per the last discussion in which Minister for Helth was retargeted to Doug Everingham. Keep or retarget? If retarget, redirect to Doug Everingham (to match Minister for Helth) or Health minister (as r from misspelling)? – Scyrme (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Doug Everingham, per Tamzin's comment in the previous discussion. Everingham referred to himself officially as the "Minister of Helth", owing to his support for a series of spelling reform proposals that were not adopted. He is the only person to have used this title with this peculiar spelling in an official capacity. A hatnote could point to Minister of Health (disambiguation), if that page existed (I'm not sure why it doesn't, there are many countries with a Minister of Health). There's no reason I can see for this to redirect to the current target. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:28, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * A disambiguation page probably doesn't exist because there's already a set index located at Health minister which does the job of listing and distinguishing between roles sharing that title in different countries. That set index is the target for Minister of Health. I'm not sure what the guidelines are about having titles including "(disambiguation)" redirect to set indices. I suspect it's discouraged given WP:SETNOTDAB explicitly says that set index articles are not disambiguation pages.
 * If I recall correctly Mdewman6 argued that Everingham did not refer to himself as "Minister of Health", but rather "for Health". (WP:SMALLDETAILS) I don't know whether Everingham, the press, or ordinary Australians actually have/had an especially strong preference for phrasing it "for" rather than "of". However, search results for "Minister+of+Health" are all generic misspellings whereas "Minister+for+Helth" yields results particular to Australia; perhaps the difference does matter? – Scyrme (talk) 18:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Set index articles are freaking confusing. But I've added a redirect casualdejekyll  19:00, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it's not discouraged by the guidelines? If it's not discouraged, maybe Health minister (disambiguation) should also exist? I had thought of making both myself, but I didn't want to rush ahead in-case someone replied with relevant info (such as guidelines or precedents like long-standing examples or RfDs that have dealt with this before). – Scyrme (talk) 18:11, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know either. But having both an SIA and a disambig is probably duplicate effort - they're extremely similar and in this specific case I'm not even sure that there's a difference. casualdejekyll  20:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know if there an official guideline, but WP:G14 says pages with (disambiguation) in the title can be deleted if they do not "redirect to a disambiguation page or a page that performs a disambiguation-like function" (emphasis added). In this case the set index clearly does perform a disambiguation-like function, so redirecting to it from (disambiguation) titles should be fine. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * "or a page that performs a disambiguation-like function" sounds good enough to me. I've made the redirect. – Scyrme (talk) 20:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Health Minister as a R from misspelling and R from avoided double redirect of Minister of Health. Indeed, during the last Rfd I updated the sources and statements at Doug Everingham and Minister for Health and Aged Care which use the terms "Minister for Helth" and "Department of Helth". There is no support for ascribing these other versions specifically to the Australian topics, so should be retargeted as misspellings. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:59, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Health Minister as a R from misspelling and -- a hatnote can be added for Ivanvector's target  -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 18:34, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Health Minister and tag as misspelling per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:48, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * If the page is retargeted as it looks like it's going to be, that target should have a hatnote similar to ""Minister of Helth" redirects here. For the Australian politician who referred to himself officially as Minister for Helth, see Doug Everingham." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivanvector (talk • contribs) 20:17, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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Template:PvdD Tweede Kamer members
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:58, 16 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Template:PvdD Tweede Kamer members → Template:Members of the House of Representatives of the Netherlands, 2012–2017 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Outdated, not necessary to keep Dajasj (talk) 16:57, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom. — Ætoms  [talk] 09:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
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Winde (medical symptom)
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Wikipedia:VPP
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  per SNOW. (non-admin closure)  J947  † edits 00:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


 * VPP → Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This should be disambiguated, as there is no reason there would be more traffic at Village pump (policy) than at Village pump (proposals) per. —Matr1x-101 (Ping me when replying) { user page (@ commons) - talk }  14:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep we already have WP:VPR, VPP has a long standing use (over 15 year) with almost 5000 links in. There is also already a navbox at the top of VPP that goes to VPR, so it wouldn't save the lost editor any clicks to land on a disambig page first. "No primary topic" primarily applies to content pages - for the benefit of casual readers - not really helpful here. — xaosflux  Talk 15:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * keep I agree with xaosflux above. Also, VPP is 15+ years old, updating it will mean confusing a lot of editors. Not worth it. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:21, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep: well-established; WP:VPR/WP:VPPR is the shortcut for proposals. Per Xaosflux. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 15:36, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per WP:CHANGESC it's generally advised against changing shortcuts that have already been well established, especially when it has been used in closed deletion discussion as those cannot be changed. WP:VPP seems to be used in numerous closed AfD discussions, so it would probably be best to keep just to make said archives discussions understandable. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:13, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per historic use. There's already a hatnote at the top of the policy village pump referring to the proposals village pump. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:01, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep this is a long-established, well-known, heavily-used and widely-advertised shortcut. Altering it would be highly disruptive. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 17:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * SNOW keep per the above.  Invading Invader  (userpage, talk) 00:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
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Baba Sathya Sai
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General jan dodonna
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Including R from lowercase (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 05:42, 16 September 2023 (UTC)


 * General jan dodonna → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Bad miscapitalization serves no purposes, but causes the redirect to show up in Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations. Dicklyon (talk) 05:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep but recategorize as R from lowercase instead of a miscapitalization. These redirects help readers who can't or won't use capitals in the search bar, except that the first title of every page must be capitalized for technical reasons. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:11, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as a R from lowercase per Ivan. This one is potentially helpful and not hurting anything. Regards, SONIC 678 04:43, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and tag as lowercase per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Vixy Reinard
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