Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 2

January 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 2, 2024.

The Goryeo-Khitan War
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 10%23The Goryeo-Khitan War

Atta Islands
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn;  I am continually put to shame by Thryduulf's thorough research.  (non-admin closure) 🌺 Cremastra  (talk) 18:11, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Atta Islands → Attu Island (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unclear connection with target. Unlikely misspelling, could be potentially confused with ʻAta. Delete. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 21:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment This does not appear to be a misspelling, but possibly an older and/or alternative name (perhaps due to transliteration standards changing over time?). History of slavery in Alaska uses the term, cited to a 1903 New York Times article which describes them as the "westernmost of the Aleutian chain". Which matches the geography of Attu Island. A 1978 paper in the library of the Alaska Resources Library and Information Services inlcudes on page 83: "The breeding distribution of murres in the Aleutians is rather spotty, with colonies of over 5000 birds occurring only at Bogoslof, Kagamil, Chaguluk, Koninji, Buldir, Ag attu, and Atta Islands (Sekora et al. in press)" (That source doesn't appear to be online). This 1873 map by the U.S. Coast Survey "covers the Aleutian Archipelago from Atta Island to Unimak Island" (although whether the island is labelled "Atta" or "Attu" needs someone with better eyesight than me to be certain). This 1942 Oregon Newspaper might refer to an Atta Island or Islands in the Aleutian Islands chain, but the OCR isn't great so I'd want to verify that with the image (I don't have a Newspapers.com account) There is also Atta Island in the Philippines, which doesn't appear to be mentioned anywhere on en.wp. "Island" or "Islands" seems very inconsistent regarding Alaska - my guess is that the plural is used for the Near Islands group and the singular for the largest of them - but the Philippine one is always singular so this title should not redirect there, but a "not to be confused with" hatnote would be appropriate from the target. I can find no evidence that this is ever used to refer to ʻAta. There are other sources that mention an Atta Island in the Aleutian Isalnds too, e.g., and given the era involved only a fraction of sources will be in a place and format Google can find. So in summary, I can find no evidence to back up the nomination and so do not support deletion. There are plenty of sources for an Atta Island in the same part of the world as Attu Island, but nothing that makes it explicit that they are the same (if nothing else it's a plausible search term as a likely OCR error). As for the plural, this is also used but less so, and it is only my supposition that it refers to the Near Islands, but it is logical (Attu/Atta is the largest of the group) I've not found any evidence to the contrary. I'm not sure what to recommend here, but definitely not deletion. Getting anything more definitive is almost definitely going to require offline resource, and possibly from someone more local than London. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

August Moon
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to August Moon (Mr. Wiggles).  Jay  💬 06:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


 * August Moon → Mid-Autumn Festival (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I think August Moon (Mr. Wiggles) should get the page, with an about disambiguator and the 2 instances of August Moon directing to the festival should be piped correctly. microbiology Marcus (petri dish·growths) 21:07, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The two wiki-links to the Chinese-festival sense of August Moon now pipe directly to Mid-Autumn Festival. I have no objection to the proposal to redirect August Moon to the musician, with an about hatnote. -- M.boli (talk) 03:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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I Lost My Little Boy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 14:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I Lost My Little Boy → Ponyo (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is an R with history that came from a 2012 AfD that closed as merge to Ponyo. However, no content was actually merged, so this redirect now points to an article with no mentions of the subject. I propose to delete. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: If anyone's confused as to why Ponyo was chosen as a merge target (I certainly was), it seems to be because some news outlets announced that this would be the "next Studio Ghibli movie" in 2005. After Howl's Moving Castle (2004), Sorry, I forgot about Tales from Earthsea (2006)! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: especially as reading an early version of this page is not encouraging https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I_Lost_My_Little_Boy&oldid=484916877 JAYFAX (talk) 20:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The AfD closed as merge, so it is not clear why the closer did not perform the merge. The AfD provides more context of the "rumour" here: Talk:Ponyo. Assuming this was a short-lived rumour from a decade back, delete.  Jay  💬 06:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Thoracolumbar
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 13%23Thoracolumbar

Lumbosacral
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 13%23Lumbosacral

Cervicothoracic
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 13%23Cervicothoracic

Cock Destroyers
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 14:30, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Cock Destroyers → Rebecca More (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * The Cock Destroyers → Rebecca More (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

To encourage article creation. (There previously was one, but it was deleted per WP:G5.) Laun chba ller 23:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Added Cock Destroyers as suggested above. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk!</b> 07:39, 26 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 16:13, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Also bundle Cock Destroyers with this. Jay  💬 09:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Restore and AFD this old article per WP:BLAR. Duckmather (talk) 15:43, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. It started as a redirect, was turned into an article by a sock and turned back into the redirect as a WP:G5. Restoration is not required. Jay  💬 06:46, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * As Launchballer points out (and as the reflist of the old article suggests), the topic of "Cock Destroyers" is potentially notable and article-worthy in itself; that's why I suggest restoring the article. Duckmather (talk) 00:53, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure is, and the content may be good, but we're talking about a G5 criteria here about a sock getting credit. Jay  💬 07:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Duckmather: If you want to take responsibility for the old content, G5 can be set aside. But in that case why send it to AfD? -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 01:07, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that sock-written articles are usually deleted because they are not high quality enough though (and this was why G5 was even added as a speedy deletion criterion)? I think restoring-and-AfD-ing seems to be a safer choice to build consensus about whether we should even have an article, especially since Jay opposed my restoration suggestion. Duckmather (talk) 03:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Duckmather: That is one reason that G5 exists, but there are other reasons, the most fundamental being that when the community has said someone is unwelcome here, they are not owed the assumption of good faith inherent in reviewing their contributions. That's why I, like many admins, won't enforce G5 in cases where someone is willing to take responsibility. So it really comes down to whether you're taking responsibility for that content. (I want to be clear, I'm not !voting here; this is an inquiry to resolve an ambiguity before closing.) -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 05:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Duckmather whether an article was written by a sock implies nothing about its quality. While there may be a correlation, this does not imply causation. Thryduulf (talk) 20:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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Gaza holocaust
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 16:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Gaza holocaust → Palestinian genocide accusation (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 20. Gaza Holocaust is salted against creation, this seams to be a loophole with capital letters. <span style="background: #ffcc00; ">𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱 ☎️ 📄 14:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per precedent. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 16:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note that the article has only 17 16 pageviews in its entire history . <span style="background: #ffcc00; ">𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱 ☎️ 📄 23:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt this too. – GnocchiFan (talk) 00:30, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:49, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete and apply full creation protection under WP:ARBPIA. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:58, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

The Muslim World
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12%23The Muslim World

Glorification of Palestinian terrorism
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 9%23Glorification of Palestinian terrorism

Glorification of martyrdom in Palestinian society
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 9%23Glorification of martyrdom in Palestinian society

No Flow
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12%23No Flow

To Be in Love
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 14:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


 * To Be in Love → UK Singles Chart (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It is not helpful to redirect to a target that has no mention of the subject in question. These redirects do imply that these songs charted, so they may be notable per WP:NSONG. Deletion to encourage article creation may be desirable. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: "To Be in Love" could also refer to Romance (love). No opinion on most of the rest. Duckmather (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 06:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Way too vague in my opinion. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there fuel for a dab? We have Swing Softly, Masters at Work discography, and Eighth World at least.  J 947  ‡ edits 20:34, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per Cyclone, and because of the caps. There is also Class Guitar. A dab would have helped if there was an article or if this was a redirect, but leaving to search results is better. Jay  💬 06:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).