Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 1

July 1
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 1, 2024.

Mass graves in the United Kingdom
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Mass graves in the United Kingdom → Plague pit (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Ambiguous term that should not be redirected to a specific target. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete There are plenty other reasons why people are buried in a mass grave outside a plague. The Banner  talk 08:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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Mass graves in Mandatory Palestine
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Mass graves in Mandatory Palestine → Tantura massacre (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Ambiguous term that should not be redirected to a specific target. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There's a new article at List of mass graves in the Middle East that may be an appropriate target for this. - Eureka Lott 00:30, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Misleading. There will be far more mass graves then just this one. The Banner  talk 08:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Mass graves in the State of Palestine
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Mass graves in the State of Palestine → Tantura massacre (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Ambiguous term that should not be redirected to a specific target. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete Misleading. There will be far more mass graves then just this one. The Banner  talk 08:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * delete - This one was just an error. A better example is Gaza Strip mass graves? But that's still a specific target for a general term, so not an appropriate redirect either? MWQs (talk) 06:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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The North Caucasus
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 9%23The North Caucasus

Government of the Middle East
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Government of the Middle East → Middle East (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Unnecessary and misleading redirect. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Misleading link to a non-existent entity. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 08:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as misleading -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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Government of the Arab World
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Government of the Arab World → Arab League (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Unnecessary and misleading redirect. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete there is no such thing as "government of the Arab World". M.Bitton (talk) 00:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Misleading link to a non-existent entity. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 08:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as misleading -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, misleading. CMD (talk) 07:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Triambus
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Triambus → Equilateral polygon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Target section was removed in Special:Diff/996642726, so the redirect is no longer valid. GTrang (talk) 23:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Mexican Avocado Dispute
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 9%23Mexican Avocado Dispute

Moscow City
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 9%23Moscow City

2024–25 Latvian-Estonian Basketball League
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator  . The redirect now points to the correct season with the correct dash.  Complex / Rational  14:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="2024–25 Latvian-Estonian Basketball League">2024–25 Latvian-Estonian Basketball League → 2023–24 Latvian–Estonian Basketball League (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

invalid redirect: different years. Should be a red link Estopedist1 (talk) 12:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Also bundle 2024-25 Latvian-Estonian Basketball League * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 18:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * speedy close It was started as a stub article, but I think confused something and made it a redirect into a wrong place. This kind of Rfd shouldn't have started. I'm reverting it into a stub article and we should continue there. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * professionally resolved by user:Pelmeen10. Sorry, my bad, that I didn't check page's history--Estopedist1 (talk) 05:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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Porch monkey
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 10%23Porch monkey

The lockdowns
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Keep is preferred by a narrow numerical majority, and is supported by persuasive arguments that it is the current primary topic. signed,Rosguill talk 13:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The lockdowns → COVID-19 lockdowns (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

While the COVID-19 measures are probably the freshest in people's memories, I think that "the lockdowns" is too broad to use as a redirect to that topic and therefore propose retargeting to the general topic of lockdown. Sdrqaz (talk) 02:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Regerget as R from plural. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 04:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Rererget per above. If the readers were looking for the covid lockdown in particular, they can scroll down to the section covering it easily. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  13:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per The pandemic and Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 9; while there may be some WP:RECENTISM, most who will use the term "the lockdowns" (emphasis on the), will likely be referring to the COVID lockdowns, especially with the established precedent of "the pandemic." — Knightof  theswords  23:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Reherget I mean keep - agreeing with Knight, the lockdowns is likely intended to be the covid lockdowns BugGhost 🪲👻 08:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Consensus appears to be leaning towards keep. Relisting for further input... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 04:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep literally 100% of the results on the first five pages (when I stopped looking) of a Google search for "The lockdowns" -Wikipedia refer to the Covid-19 lockdowns - you can't get a clearer example of a primary topic. Usually for something like this I'd expect to find mentions of one or more non-notable bands, esports teams, instagram users or something like that, but I'm just not. Thryduulf (talk) 09:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retargeg per LaundryPizza, Ca, and Nom. I find the idea that "The lockdowns" is specifically primary to COVID-19 lockdowns to be a severe case of WP:RECENTISM; the Covid-19 pandemic was a massive global event, yes, but so was, say, World War 1. Four years after WW1, it was probably extremely easy to say "The War" and people knew you were talking about WW1; ten or twenty years after WW1, not so much. If people really are looking for the Covid-19 lockdowns, the proposed retarget-- Lockdown-- has a hatnote to it right at the top of the page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What matters for the purposes of redirects is what people are looking for now. What people might be looking for in 10 or 20 years (or even 2 years) is irrelevant WP:CRYSTALBALL-gazing. If the primary topic changes then we can and should change the target of the redirect, but we do readers a disservice by not taking them to what they want to read directly now because they might (or might not) be looking for something different later. Thryduulf (talk) 23:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ...I suppose that's fair. Withdrawing vote. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Lockdown doesn't really list specific lockdowns, if List of lockdowns existed this would be a better target but otherwise I'd probably suggest to keep as is.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * List of lockdowns should be linked in a hatnote from the present target if it is created, but it should not be the target itself due to the present target being the overwhelming primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 09:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget too general of a term to apply to a specific event. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Kerp per Thryduulf's findings. <span style="color:#f80;font-family:'Cascadia Code',monospace">mwwv  converse ∫ edits  13:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget Redirecting to a specific set of lockdowns creates a risk that more and more pages will link to an inherently unstable redirect. All of those pages will become subtly incorrect when the redirect is changed after the next major lockdown event. Presentism might make sense for a term that is frequently typed into the search bar, but I don't think that's the case here. Jruderman (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Knight, and oppose targeting Lockdown per Crouch. I can understand the "R from plural" if this was just Lockdowns, but the use of "The" makes this non-generic. As for pages becoming incorrect with time, that is the nature of Wikipedia, and fixing will have to be a continuous process. Jay  💬 19:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. The recent lockdowns are going to be the primary thing people are looking for when they type "the lockdowns" into a searchbar. It is a useful redirect, and, seeing as no article exists like list of lockdowns, I think we should keep it pointing to the primary place of articles that actually exist. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 20:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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City of Auckland
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 8%23City of Auckland

Tone (color)
<span id="Tone (color)"> <span id="Tone (color theory)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 8%23Tone (color)

Lepidosauria Varanus
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Lepidosauria Varanus → Bengal monitor (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

just two of the higher taxa that happen to include the Bengal monitor; not entirely dissimilar to this other since-deleted redirect Spizaetus (talk) 02:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Is this combination of taxa even a thing? If this is just an original term then Delete. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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