Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 19

July 19
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 19, 2024.

"Fax (hair)" and "Fax (head hair)"

 * Fax (hair) → Hair (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Fax (head hair) → Hair (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

The word "fax" is mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving it unclear what these redirects are meant to refer to and/or define. The only other article on Wikipedia I can find that mentions such terms in context is John the Baptist, but with the way the term "fax" is used in that article pertaining to "hair", it makes it seem as though these nominated redirects are some sort of suffix. Steel1943 (talk) 22:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RFOR, as Middle English might reasonably be considered a "foreign language". The word may be familiar to modern readers through Shadowfax, but the Wiktionary link from Fax (disambiguation) will cover this usage adequately. Tevildo (talk) 09:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep I have added an etymology section to the page on Hair so it is now in the target article. Fax is attestated in modern English, not only Middle English, even if its usage has since become rare. Ingwina (talk) 10:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * In that case, my stance (I am the nominator) is changing to retarget Fax (hair) to Hair but still delete Fax (head hair) since the "Etymology" section does not specify anything about "head" or "head hair". Steel1943  (talk) 19:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This is from the page "The now broadly obsolete word "fax" refers specifically to head hair".
 * I feel like if fax means hair, the word should redirect to the whole page - is there precedent for redirecting to the specific section mentioning the word if the word refers to the wider article? I don't have too strong views about this bit though - it just depends on the nuance of wikipedia policy to me! Ingwina (talk) 08:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Mario Circuit

 * Mario Circuit → Mario Kart (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Not mentioned in the target. Mia Mahey (talk) 21:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Keep or restore article? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:07, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep as track from game. mwwv  converse ∫ edits  03:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The reason it was reverted into a redirect is because it was completely unsourced. It should only return to being an article if reliable sources relating to it show that it is noteworthy enough to include on Wikipedia. SleepDeprivedGinger (talk) 11:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Revert to an article without prejudice to AfD per WP:BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 12:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. It should be trivially easy to find a source supporting inclusion in the target article. BD2412  T 03:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Bolsover (borough)

 * Bolsover (borough) → Bolsover District (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Delete, neither the current non-metropolitan district at Bolsover District nor the previous district Bolsover Urban District hold/have held borough status. Yes Google searches in quotes for "Bolsover Borough Council" will return results but the same is the case for "Braintree Borough Council" and "Harlow Borough Council". This is different to Chesterfield (borough) and Chesterfield Borough Council that go to Borough of Chesterfield that does have borough status along with the previous district Municipal Borough of Chesterfield. Its normal for districts that have borough status to have redirects from "Foo (district)" but not redirects for "Foo (borough)" when the district doesn't have borough status. Yes there are links to the redirect but they can be changed to the correct target and it appears to only have been at this title for a few weeks in 2004 when it was corrected and moved.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 21:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Simply the result of an error I made briefly over a little over 20 years ago. Seems entirely reasonable to delete. Morwen (talk) 00:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. Given the internet hits for "Bolover borough" and "Borough of Bolsover" this is a common enough error to merit a redirect. See e.g page 11 of this PDF where the local Conservative Party calls it "Borough of Bolsover". We educate people making this sort of mistake by taking them to the content they are looking for that explains the correct situation rather than making them jump through hoops to find it. Thryduulf (talk) 08:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep as an attested error that someone might search. The existence of the redirect will correct them effectively enough. Fieari (talk) 00:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Guillermo Vilas: Settling the Score

 * Guillermo Vilas: Settling the Score → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Not sure what to do about this one. The subject exists (per third party searches) and is linked at List of Netflix original films (2020) in the list of film released that year. But ... the fact that this title is a redirect and not an article seems to validate WP:REDYES deletion. However, the subject of this redirect is mentioned twice in the biographical article about its subject, Guillermo Vilas: Once in the last paragraph of the article's top section, and once in the last paragraph of Guillermo Vilas. I am not sure if either of these targets are viable retargeting options for this redirect, or if the redirect should be deleted to promote the creation of an article (though my preference here is deletion.) Steel1943  (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I am skeptical of the value of red links in prompting article creation. I think it's better to have a red link than no link at all, where an article can potentially be written, but better to have a redirect than a red link where the article is really unlikely to actually be written. The ultimate end question is what best serves the reader looking for information on the subject. BD2412  T 23:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Bigflo & Oli: Hip Hop Frenzy

 * Bigflo & Oli: Hip Hop Frenzy → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Not sure what to do about this one. The subject exists (per third party searches) and is linked at List of Netflix original films (2020) in the list of film released that year. But ... the fact that this title is a redirect and not an article seems to validate WP:REDYES deletion. In addition, the article for the group mentioned in the title of his redirect, Bigflo & Oli, seems to make no mention or reference of the subject of this redirect anywhere in that article. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Running with Sherman (film)

 * Running with Sherman (film) → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Yet another story which Netflix bought the rights in 2019 to create a film, but nothing came out of it since. The base title Running with Sherman is a redirect that targets Christopher McDougall (after I retargeted it last month), the article about the author of the "Running with Sherman" story, but that article contains no information about a film adaptation of the "Running with Sherman" story. Steel1943 (talk) 21:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Lady Business (film)

 * <span id="Lady Business (film)">Lady Business (film) → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Seems this was a story which Netflix bought the rights in 2019 with the intent to make a film, but it does not seem as though the film ever went into production. Also, it seems the film was to star Brie Larson; online searches for the "Lady Business" turn up nothing at the present time 5 years later ... well, while also distinguishing that the "Lady Business" film is a subject separate from Unicorn Store. Steel1943 (talk) 20:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. If anyone else thinks this feels familiar, you're probably (like me) thinking of Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 11, which turns out to be unrelated, although if this is to become an article the parenthetical will not be needed. Thryduulf (talk) 11:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

VSTA

 * VSTA → Visual Studio Tools for Applications (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

I have just created VSTA (disambiguation), and while I would grant that the current redirect target is the most popular target directly using this acronym, I lean towards thinking that there is no primary target, and the disambiguation should be moved over the redirect. BD2412 T 19:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

AlphaDeltaNationalFraternity
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:CSD - created when fixing an unambiguous error.  Thryduulf (talk) 11:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * AlphaDeltaNationalFraternity → Alpha Delta (national) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Words run together unlikely mistype. Naraht (talk) 19:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * No substantial history; appears to have been created by error, since the author moved the page to a correct title. I see no other source formatting this without spaces. Too new to have been old camelcase links. Delete Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  02:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Return to the Palace
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was redirect converted to an article  . Probably safe to close this early, given the circumstance. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 22:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Return to the Palace → List of programs broadcast by Seoul Broadcasting System (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Not mentioned at the target page.  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   18:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * i just want to redirect it for a while.., but anyway the page was created. Aidillia (talk) 22:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Pokemon generations 5

 * Pokemon generations 5 → Pokémon (video game series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

implausible pluralization? if kept, i'll be retargeting to the gen 5 games regardless of result  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 16:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Don't delete Seems plausible. Readers might see the "5" and think generation should be pluralized. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  02:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Misty Williams

 * Misty Williams → Misty (Pokémon) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

same rationale as below, different character, wrong surname (apparently, results seem torn between williams and waterflower)  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 16:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Brock Harrison

 * Brock Harrison → Brock (Pokémon) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

i do not want to elaborate on how many layers of obscure fanon this is, so i hope the explanation can begin and end at "that's fanmade"  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 16:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment there's apparently an old interview featuring Brock's VA where he mentions this information, but it seems pretty trivial regardless. Linking the archived link of the interview that I could find, but admittedly I'm not sure if this would sway anything either way. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ...huh. won't debate the canonicity of that (debatable as its canonicity is, see word of saint paul on tv tropes), but i will suggest not risking adding it to avoid enabling that side of the pokémon fandom fanfic fandom  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 01:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

PKMN R

 * PKMN R → Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

what about pokémon ruby?  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 16:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Cianwood Island

 * Cianwood Island → Pokémon Gold and Silver (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

the island does not have a proper name. it's just "cianwood city"  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 16:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Cianwood City (Cianwood Island)

 * <span id="Cianwood City (Cianwood Island)">Cianwood City (Cianwood Island) → Pokémon Gold and Silver (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

are there any cianwood cities this could be mistaken for? more importantly, the island it's in isn't actually known as "cianwood island"  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 15:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

PKMN SS

 * PKMN SS → Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

has it been agreed that sword and shield will always be abbreviated as "swsh", or could this be dabified?  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 14:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. For some reason, this abbreviation makes me think of the ship in Red, Blue, and Yellow (probably because of the use of "SS"). Probably best to just delete this thing. Steel1943  (talk) 15:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I first thought it referred to the ship in Pikmin. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  02:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

HeartSilver and GoldSoul

 * HeartSilver and GoldSoul → Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

that's actually pretty funny and almost a plausible mistake, but they're not even consistently named. one is mind thing/metal and the other is metal/mind thing. more than anything, i vote to delete this as aesthetically painful  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 14:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep Plausible mix-up; readers may not realize that one is mind thing/metal and the other is metal/mind thing. The adjectives (as a non-pokemon fan) seem arbitrary to me, and I can see myselft making this mistake. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  02:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Pokémon DuskGold and DawnSilver

 * <span id="Pokémon DuskGold and DawnSilver">Pokémon DuskGold and DawnSilver → Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Dusk Silver → Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Dawn Gold → Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

i wanted to argue that they were development names, fan speculation, or something, but that doesn't seem to be the case. best case scenario, they were the names of rom hacks or bootlegs, but i only found deviantart ocs  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 14:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * the names aren't even consistent with each other, why  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 14:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Galar

 * Galar → Pokémon Sword and Shield (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

there's apparently at |least 2 more things with this name, but i'm mostly concerned about fjalar and galar, the smartness juice guys from norse mythology. is this worth a dab or hatnote, or is this specific galar a primary as h*ck topic?  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 14:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Create disambiguation page there are several Galars that are pretty notable subjects (The main location of a high selling videogame, a figure in Norse mythology, a town in Spain, a village in Wales, and apparently a redirect at Bahnar language) All of these are pretty important subjects, and I can't see which one would be the primary topic. I feel a DAB page would very much be helpful here given the number of things that have the name Galar. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Dabify due to multiple potential targets -- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate Per others, no obvious primary topic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate: Seems like the best option.  C F A   💬  18:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

200 (song)

 * <span id="200 (song)">200 (song) → Becoming a Pop Star (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

The song is actually not a primary topic. So, I suggest a retarget to 200 (disambiguation) since I added 2 songs to this disambiguation. 88.235.215.238 (talk) 14:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

M-Block

 * M-Block → MissingNo. (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

'm (or 'm block) is a glitch pokémon that shares missingno's "sprite", index number, and some functions, but is otherwise a different glitch. it's not mentioned in the article aside from an offhanded mention in the translation for source 1  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 17:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Thoughts on adding a mention at the target? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. AFAIK we don't discuss the 'M glitch in any other capacity, the most common method of finding MissingNo will also turn up 'M, and it doesn't just copy SOME functions, but PRACTICALLY ALL functions. For our intents and purposes, 'M and MissingNo. are the same thing and should be treated accordingly by redirects. Leave further details to Glitch City Labs and Bulbapedia. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * for pedantries that would border on fancruft if there weren't actually a couple of sources behind them...
 * missingno (the form everyone recognizes, that is) can be obtained via the old man and mew glitches and the time capsule exploit with certain names, special stats, and gen 2 pokémon respectively, adds 128 items to the item in the 6rd slot of the player's bag, and corrupts hall of fame data
 * 'm (specifically 00, as fe and ff are just hybrids) can only be obtained via the old man glitch and shares missingno's sprite, item cloning, and hall of fame corruption as a result of sharing its index number, but has (slightly) different data, such as moves and cries, can evolve into clefairy or kangaskhan, and lets you catch phantom ditto. according to some old stuff i found, it can also apparently spontaneously turn into a rhydon if you have another 'm in your party
 * from a quick-ish look, those two sources mention 'm and its differences compared to missingno in some level of detail, an archive of the latter currently being source 9 in missingno's article, so if a mention could be added or discussed, i wouldn't be opposed to it  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 14:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Lunamann.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * i was going to suggest it in the talk page right after this closed, guess i'll have to wait another week  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 11:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Pokémon incident

 * <span id="Pokémon incident">Pokémon incident → Dennō Senshi Porygon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

extremely vague. requires that "pokémon" and "incident" be defined in a way that somehow narrows it down to only this particular episode of the anime generation that also featured jynx and hypno, while excluding every other controversy the franchise has seen  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 16:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * should mention that i would favor retargeting it to an article or section of an article detailing most controversies, no such thing exists (yet). the closest i found was pokémon episodes removed from rotation, but even then, that's only for the anime  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 16:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Any further thoughts? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as far too vague. When seeing the title I assumed it was some sort of (political) scandal or other real-world incident related to Pokémon in some way. A politician making a gaffe and exposing their ignorance while trying to appear to be a "man of the people" or something like that would have been my first guess. Thryduulf (talk) 17:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * isn't that the plot of swsh  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 17:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have a clue! I've never watched, read or played Pokémon. Thryduulf (talk) 20:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - contrary to the above (and a whiny fan base) this is by far the most consequential incident related to the series. This actually ahead real world implications, that reliable sources wrote articles about. Sergecross73   msg me  23:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep as WP:PTOPIC. This incident was/is overwhelmingly more impactful than any other. Fieari (talk) 00:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Weak delete - It certainly was a "pokémon incident", probably the biggest one, but it doesn't really go by the name "pokémon incident". Googling "pokémon incident" does lead to lots of reference to this event, but also to other unrelated events. It could also reasonably relate to Pokémon Go to the polls, which is pretty much exactly the hypothetical poltician gaffe scenario that dreamt up (see this and this for more details).  <span style="border-radius:3px;padding:2px 3px;background:#ffc3b3;color:#552a2a;font-weight:bold;font-family:monospace">BugGhost 🦗👻 12:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe a disambiguation between:
 * Dennō Senshi Porygon
 * Pokémon episodes removed from rotation
 * Pokémon Go
 * Pokémon Go to the polls
 * But I'm not sure if there's enough traffic to Pokémon incident to warrant this disambiguation. <span style="border-radius:3px;padding:2px 3px;background:#ffc3b3;color:#552a2a;font-weight:bold;font-family:monospace">BugGhost 🦗👻 12:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * at this point, i'm gonna change my vote to a strong listify (preferrably with a different name), since there's also the 80 quadrillion times the franchise was accused of being satanic, and the 0 times it was accused of being satanic because of giratina  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 14:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak delete per the ambiguity of this redirect caused by the existence of a list of incidents at Pokémon Go. Not saying the current target is not notable, but it's not the only notable "incident" related to Pokémon. Steel1943  (talk) 15:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Biographies of living persons

 * Biographies of living persons → Biography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

This should be a CNR to WP:BLP. All of the 304 links to this redirect are in reference to the Wikipedia policy, rather than the Biography article. It seems unlikely that anyone searching for this would be looking for the encyclopedic article, especially considering the term is never mentioned. It was retarted to Biography from a CNR in 2009. C F A  💬  18:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: I suppose this could also be retargeted to an encyclopedia article about Wikipedia, like Wikipedia, Vandalism on Wikipedia, or List of Wikipedia controversies (Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident), though a project redirect would make the most sense in my eyes.  C F A   💬  18:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget (or add encyclopaedic content) This is a very high profile policy that does get referenced frequently off-site so I'm surprised we don't have some encyclopaedic content about it that could host a hatnote to the policy, although finding sources will be tricky due to the large number of Wikipedia mirrors and many other sites that have policies/guidelines with the same title. If we don't have encyclopaedic content then a cross-namespace redirect is the way to go - this is something that needs to be very easy to find, particularly by prospective editors and article subjects who shouldn't have to learn about namespaces first. Thryduulf (talk) 20:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I was wondering if there would be enough coverage to write a separate article on the policy. I found it surprising that even the Policies and content section in the main Wikipedia article only briefly mentioned the policy (in reference to the Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident). If someone is willing to do that and they can find enough coverage, then that (with a hatnote) would be my preferred outcome over retargeting.  C F A   💬  21:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Its not really a Wikipedia specific term but all Google results are for the policy. Maybe it should be kept as with a link on the DAB page to the BLP policy as well as the current MOS page.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That's what I was considering doing before listing it here, but I decided against it. Do you really think anyone typing "Biographies of living persons" into the search bar is looking for Biography? It is obviously directly referencing the policy and the term isn't even mentioned in the article.  C F A   💬  03:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete promotes incorrect linkage, and making a CNR would not be for readership content. -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 03:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per WP:RETURNTORED. There's no way BLP isn't notable and we should really have some encyclopedic content about it. Nickps (talk) 19:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete unless an alternative article space target is found. Biographies are about people, but not all biographies are about living people. (And, morbidly enough, all biographies in existence today will eventually all not be about living people...) Steel1943  (talk) 22:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment I notified WT:WPWP of this discussion Nickps (talk) 22:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I searched around a bit, and I do not think there is enough in the way of external sources covering this to support an article. Perhaps an article could be written on Wikipedia policies and guidelines, with a section on BLP. BD2412  T 23:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's no justification for a WP:CNR: "most newly created cross-namespace redirects from the main (article) namespace to the Wikipedia (project) namespace should be deleted, ... very old ones might retain their value for extra-Wikipedia links" (not inter-Wikipedia links). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Skeltal

 * Skeltal → Skeleton (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

that's the "doot" meme. doesn't seem like a plausible misspelling of "skeletal" otherwise, as e is just close enough to t where it'd be hard to forget to type one letter  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 18:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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 * Keep: per WP:CHEAP.  C F A   💬  19:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Skeltal is a variant name of a popular internet meme . Our article on skeleton lack information about this meme, neither do any other article. The intro of WP:REDIRECT, a guideline says Redirects are used to help people arrive more quickly at the page they want to read. A generic article about skeletons are not what readers would want to see when they are searching about a meme. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  05:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It seems pretty obscure. I doubt there's enough coverage to write an article on it, but I suppose someone could try. I imagine most people searching "Skeltal" on Wikipedia are looking for "Skeletal," which is also a redirect to Skeleton.  C F A   💬  15:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

One PIece

 * One PIece → One Piece (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

that's an uppercase i  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 17:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep: per WP:CHEAP.  C F A   💬  19:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete Implausible misspelling. Our search function automatically handles different capitalizations. I tend to agree that effort of listing redirects with minor errors can be used elsewhere, but we might as well delete them as they are listed to reduce maintance work for useless redirects. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  05:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

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 * WEak keep per sticky shift key typo error, a very plausible sort of error you see in online forums all the time. -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. Highly unlikely someone is going to capitalize the "i" in "Piece" but not the "n" in "One". In addition, this redirect should not be linked in articles. Also, if this redirect is deleted, trying to search "One PIece" in Wikipedia's search function will return One Piece. Deletion of this redirect seems to have more benefits than harm. Steel1943  (talk) 22:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Suiattle tribe

 * Suiattle tribe → Sauk-Suiattle (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Delete. No links to this redirect, and I can't see anything ever linking to this. Given that "Suiattle" has almost no literature (independent from the Sauk-Suiattle or Sauk themselves), and as far as I am aware, they weren't a tribe, but just a term that referred to people who would traditionally go to the Suiattle River during the summer gathering season in pre-colonial times, I can't forsee this ever being necessary as a redirect. PersusjCP (talk) 01:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep - The primary purpose of a redirect is not to catch links within wikipedia, but to assist users searching for the topic. The target article, in the lead, says that Sauk-Suiattle is a tribe, which makes it plausible enough that someone would search for either "Sauk tribe" or "Suiattle tribe" regardless of the technical accuracy of those search terms.  A redirect is not an endorsement of fact or accuracy, just a search aid. Fieari (talk) 03:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That makes sense, thank you for explaining! PersusjCP (talk) 20:03, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Fieari. Thryduulf (talk) 09:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: reasonable search term. No reason to delete.  C F A   💬  14:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)