Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 20

July 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 20, 2024.

Yevhen Kholoniuk

 * Yevhen Kholoniuk → 2011–12 figure skating season (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Subject does not appear in target article. Bgsu98  (Talk)  22:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Once We Were Human

 * Once We Were Human → Once Human (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Not sure why this exists, all I get for results is a book on Amazon that has no Wikipedia page. It's not mentioned in the band page at all. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 *  Retarget - Retarget to Once Human (band). This site and this site both mention "Once We Were Human" as the old band name.  BTW, Lauren Hart still directs to the Once Human disambiguation page. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * See WP:R #8. If you can find a reliable source that can be added to the article saying they were called that, then sure. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Reply - WP:CHEAP, both of those references are used on other Wikipedia pages, so either these are reliable, or the others need to be purged. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Coaster models

 * Coaster models → Toy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

I believe I get what the creator was referring to when creating this redirect ... toy models of roller coasters. However, the phrasing of this redirect does not make that clear, considering that the word "toy" is nowhere in this redirect and the word Coaster is ambiguous. (In fact, Coaster makes it seem this redirect could refer to toy models of train track configurations?) Steel1943  (talk) 21:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Too overly vague - let the search function do its job instead of arbitrarily assuming people want X or Y. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Gender-neutral games and toys

 * Gender-neutral games and toys → Toy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

About a day or so ago, sort of as a temporary measure until I could figure out a better course of action with this redirect, I had refined this redirect to Toy from Toy due to believing the base title not being adequate for explaining this redirect. However, I just realized that due to the fact the word "games" is in this redirect, the redirect's title seems to be an incorrect connection to its target due to potential WP:XY issues since the target is about toys and not games. At this point, I'm thinking deletion is the best option. Steel1943 (talk) 21:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Children's games and toys

 * Children's games and toys → Toy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Childrens' games and toys → Toy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Delete per WP:XY. Children's games is a redirect that targets List of children's games, an article about a different subject than the nominated redirects' current target. Steel1943 (talk) 21:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Pet toy

 * Pet toy → Toy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Ambiguous. Could also refer to Chew toy. Steel1943 (talk) 21:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as ambiguous. As well as Chew toy, we have Dog toy and Cat toy, none of which are a more obvious target than the alternatives. Tevildo (talk) 15:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Boy's games and toys and girl's games and toys

 * Boy's games and toys and girl's games and toys → Toy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

WP:XY. Boys' toys and games and Girls' toys and games are separate articles. Steel1943 (talk) 21:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Template:Db-empty-notice

 * Template:Db-empty-notice → Template:Db-nocontent-notice (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

db-empty is a wrapper around both db-c1 and db-a3 so the notice shouldn't only apply to A3. Making a similar wrapper that chooses between {{subst:db-nocontent-notice}} and {{subst:db-catempty-notice}} should be possible but is not worth the effort so just delete. Nickps (talk) 19:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Turns out writting such a wrapper is as easy as copying db-empty and changing a few lines. I've already done it, so all that is needed now is to remove the redirect. Nickps (talk) 16:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Live Photo

 * Live Photo → Crispin Gurholt (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

The Live Photo (iOS) meaning mentioned in the hatnote seems to be the prevalent one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: Seems to be? Do you have something to substantiate that? Perhaps in Olso or Berlin it's the other way around? No justifiable reason to delete. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Who suggested deletion? 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You did. By saying this should point somewhere else, you are essentially advocating for deleting what it is now in favor of another. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate At the very least, there's no primary topic here. The artist is almost certainly not primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Assuming no primary topic, we can hatnote. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Mutual benefits

 * Mutual benefits → Mutual aid (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]


 * Mutual benefits (disambiguation) → Mutual aid (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]


 * Mutual benefit → Mutual Benefit Life Insurance Company (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

"Mutual benefits" is not mentioned at the target article. The first redirect is a Neelix creation. The second redirect does not target a disambiguation page. The third is inappropriate at that capitalisation. I would delete them all. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Mutual benefits (disambiguation) since its target is not a title match. Currently neutral about the others. Steel1943  (talk) 21:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all per below, now that I've had time to examine the others. "Mutual benefit(s)" is a rather vague phrase. Steel1943  (talk) 04:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all As overly vague and let the search function do its job as it's meant to. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all as misleading. The search function will turn up the insurance company if the person is searching for it. Softlavender (talk) 23:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Template:Empty-warn

 * Template:Empty-warn → Template:Db-nocontext-notice (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Confusing. Much like db-empty, one would expect it to refer to A3 or C1 but not A1 which explicitly does not apply to empty articles. Nickps (talk) 13:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak delete I agree its ambiguous due and I'd argue C1 is more likely as a category would be more likely to be considered to be empty because although its now possible to create an empty page (it never used to be) I wouldn't expect many articles to be created that are completely empty and blanking is often done when G7 ends up being the criteria used to delete. I'd also note that Template:Empty redirects to Template:Db-empty so I'd consider deleting them both.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think empty is just fine as is. db-empty wraps both db-a3 and db-c1 and chooses which to serve depending on the namespace so there is no ambiguity there. Nickps (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Reading your comment again, I hadn't thought of the G7 point. I guess there is an argument to be made for deletion but considering that db-empty is probably associated with A3 and C1, I'd be very hesitant to delete. Nickps (talk) 19:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften

 * Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften → Springer Science+Business Media (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]


 * VS Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften → Springer Science+Business Media (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

These terms do not appear in the target article. Bgsu98  (Talk)  02:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Waiting for someone to add mention to the target article. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 09:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment It seems to be a sub-publisher of Springer Science+Business Media, that publishes German language sociology works according to this dewiki article. Ca talk to me!  15:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Those titles still do not appear anywhere in the article. Bgsu98   (Talk)  00:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Speedy Mouse

 * Speedy Mouse → Ultra-Leicht Flugtechnik Speedy Mouse (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

I searched it in Google, and most may refer to Speedy Gonzales. Should we retarget to Speedy Gonzales or make a disambiguation? 88.235.215.238 (talk) 06:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I can get behind disambiguation. My google searches don't bring up either the current or suggested targets prominently though, I get a lot of mice that happen to be quick, particularly cat toys, and other random stuff. I do find hits for rollercoasters mentioned at Dream World (Thailand) and Barry's Amusements though. Thryduulf (talk) 08:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Formicapunk

 * Formicapunk → Cyberpunk derivatives (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]


 * Cassette futurism → Cyberpunk derivatives (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

These terms do not appear in the target article. Bgsu98  (Talk)  02:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. These terms referred to a section that was removed in April and had been tagged as unreferenced for nearly two years. - Eureka Lott 16:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. Cassette futurism returns many results on Google, for example, and . And besides, it looks like the target text has been restored, complete with references. The nowardays widely accepted term for this period of retro-futurism is most commonly referred to as Cassette Futurism, but the term Formicapunk has also been used (but it is not as widely used as Cassette Futurism). Formicapunk was used in the webcomic Bouletcorp by John Boulet. The original link is http://web.archive.org/web/20230623104540/https://bouletcorp.com/2011/07/07/formicapunk/ (this is an Internet archive version as the current URL doesn't work), but even so, google still brings up links to other pages that use that term. So I suspect that there are still some people out there who are aware of the term Formicapunk but not the term Cassette Fururism. But even so, I'd definitely keep the redirect for Cassette futurism, but I'm not so sure if Bouletcorp's Formicapunk cartoon is notable enough even though the term Formicapunk has taken a life of it's own. Ae-a (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete both Per WP:NEO. Seems to be an invention of TVTropes editors, and Wikipedia is not TVTropes. 80s-punk is undoubtedly a thing, but it's cited to Wikis and unreliable sources in an attempt to make the section appear merited. Until someone can come up with an actual source, it shouldn't be there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia requested photographs in Lafayette Parish, Louisiana

 * Wikipedia requested photographs in Lafayette Parish, Louisiana → Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Lafayette Parish, Louisiana (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. Rusalkii (talk) 05:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 10:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Pion condensate

 * Pion condensate → Chiral symmetry breaking (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Not mentioned in target page. Rusalkii (talk) 05:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Angga Yunanda

 * Angga Yunanda → Mermaid in Love (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

This redirect of a non-notable Indonesian person that fails WP:NACTOR only appears in two notable roles. Also there are citing problems in previous versions does not rely on WP:BLP sources. 49.150.14.10 (talk) 03:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Kiddie Pool

 * Kiddie Pool → List of Robot Chicken episodes (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

When most people search "Kiddie Pool" without additional context, they're probably not looking for an episode of a TV show. I propose retargeting to Swimming pool, which directly mentions the term. Zerbu 💬 02:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom; Kiddie pool already targets Swimming pool. Walsh90210 (talk) 03:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per WP:DIFFCAPS and WP:DABMENTION. While the lower-case version unambiguously refers to swimming pools, the proper name could refer to several things. Disambiguation page drafted below the redirect. - Eureka Lott 03:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate as proposed by Eureka Lott. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)