Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 10

June 10
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 10, 2024.

Factory owner
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Hummingbird Salamander (film)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hummingbird Salamander (film) → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Another failed WP:CRYSTAL based on Netflix acquiring rights to make a film (in 2017), but then nothing really found in third party search engines after that. Seems as though the film would have been based on the subject at Hummingbird Salamander; however, the aforementioned article currently does not contain information about a film, leaving it currently a "not-so-good" target to retarget this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 23:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. We don't seem to have any relevant information to point to. Thryduulf (talk) 08:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Dorothy & Alice
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  23:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Dorothy & Alice → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Dorothy & Alice (film) → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Dorothy and Alice → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Dorothy and Alice (film) → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Seems like failed WP:CRYSTAL. Per third party search engines, looks as though Netflix acquired rights to produce a film by this name, but then ... not finding anything else on third party search engines. In addition, the only place where the phrase "Dorothy & Alice" is mentioned on Wikipedia is Allelon Ruggiero, but not in the content of the article but rather a reference. Steel1943 (talk) 23:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. "Dorothy and Alice" gets two uses in article space, but neither relate to a film, neither obviously primary over the other, and while both could anchor a redirect as a neither strike me as necessary, especially given the ambiguity between them and the lack of significant information. The uses are at Itamar Moses (where he is listed as the playwright of the 2001 short play) and List of shipwrecks in 1782 where it is noted only that a British ship of this name was "driven ashore at Deal, Kent." Thryduulf (talk) 09:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've removed duplicates of the same nom entries, unless there are others of the same line! Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ...Which I have reverted per my edit summary on my revert. Steel1943  (talk) 20:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator and Thryduulf. Checking through the page histories of both titles, they were created on this way in 2020. Four years down the line, nothing has been added or created to be noteworthy (maybe I could create them in the future, who knows?), it is to me implausible to keep this any longer. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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The Waffle House has found its new host
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  ✗  plicit  23:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The Waffle House has found its new host → Waffle House (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

I have not found a mention of the "new host" thing in the target article, though I had first learned about it from a MatPat video a while ago. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 21:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep I added a properly cited mention to the section. 👍 Ca talk to me!  01:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep per Ca. Thryduulf (talk) 09:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep now that a sourced mention has been added. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs )
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EMBO journal & reports
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 * The result of the discussion was history merge to EMBO Reports and delete  . For reference, the history that has been merged is from 14:04, 4 May 2007‎ — 10:44, 6 March 2008‎. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 21:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * EMBO journal & reports → The EMBO Journal (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

XY redirect. The subject is The EMBO Journal or EMBO Reports, not both. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Further thoughts on the page history? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 12:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I want to say delete, as what little content this page previously had is reflected in the current, separate articles, and the old references are broken links to the Nature website. However, I vaguely remember there being licensing reasons to keep old page histories for attribution. Retarget to European Molecular Biology Organization may be the way to go if that's right. &#8213; Synpath 04:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There's nothing in that redirect's history that was ported over the other articles. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Taking another look, I see that now - striking retarget suggestion and delete. Thanks &#8213; Synpath 16:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Merge history or simply delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The history should be merged to EMBO Reports. It seems to fit cleanly there. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as ambiguous. However nothing in the redirect appears to be copied to other articles? Still, I don't know much about guidelines regarding histmerges, so I don't have any opinions of it. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  14:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge history and delete: the title which is listed here at RFD is implausible and ambiguous, but the target title best describes the info of these two titles. Intrisit (talk) 19:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Barood (2003 film)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Barood (2003 film)">Barood (2003 film) → Munin Barua (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

If this film does exist, should probably "Delete per WP:REDYES". Either way, it's a bit misleading and WP:UNDUE and WP:SURPRISEing that this film redirect targets one of potentially multiple notable people that could be associated with the film. Steel1943 (talk) 21:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For a while after I nominated this redirect, I was thinking this redirect may represent a WP:HOAX, but ... it seems the only source I could find about the subject of this redirect is https://letterboxd.com/film/barood-2003/watch/ . I could not find any other sources, but the subject of the redirect definitely seems to represent a different subject than Barood (2004 film). Steel1943  (talk) 21:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Terrible Secret of Space
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  23:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Terrible Secret of Space → All your base are belong to us (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Original page covered a non-notable meme and was redirected in a 2005 VfD to The Laziest Men on Mars, who wrote music that was a popular bit of the meme. That page was itself redirected to All your base are belong to us in 2023. The end result is that this page for a non-notable meme now redirects to an entirely different meme. Technically this is "mentioned" on Eye Drops but given the lack of content on that page I think it's unlikely to be useful as a redirect and recommend deletion. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 20:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm pretty sure the original meme was less of a meme and more of the name for the classic Something Awful shibboleth that went "Q: Do you have stairs in your house? A: I am protected." See: .  The closest link to All Your Base is that Something Awful was one of the first internet groups to really popularize that meme as well, which isn't really a link at all.  I would alternatively support a retarget to Something Awful if and only if a WP:RS can be found discussing the shibboleth I mentioned and the information added to that article... it really is a significant and notable feature of Something Awful forum culture, but it would have to be referenced to be used, and somehow I doubt there are any reliable sources (unless that know your meme link I just provided counts?) Fieari (talk) 02:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:KYM is not a good source, no. Also, Delete per nom. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Papa Emeritus 2
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Wikipedia:TRIVIALMENTION
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * TRIVIALMENTION → Wikipedia:Trivial mentions (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * TRIVIALMENTIONS → Wikipedia:Trivial mentions (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Usually, people are looking for WP:TRIVIAL, which has seen more attention, has more information, and details guidelines instead of just restating them. While searching these redirects will probably include the target page as a result even without this redirect, it will not bring out WP:TRIVIAL. Thus, I think it'll be most helpful to navigation to retarget both of these redirects to WP:TRIVIAL.

I've also talked about the confusion a bit on the article creator's talk page. I believe that this is a good compromise instead of using a hatnote as I've previously advocated for. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't understand the request. WP:TRIVIAL is a redirect, and redirecting WP:TRIVIALMENTION there would create a double redirect. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Of course, I mean retargetting it to where that redirect points to. Aaron Liu  (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep/No Change: Currently, WP:TRIVIALMENTION is a redirect to the essay called "Trivial mentions", which clearly makes sense. This redirect has been used int his way for more than a decade, and changing it would break the redirect in archived discussions. WP:TRIVIAL is a fine redirect, but doesn't discuss trivial mentions, and we shouldn't conflate the two. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Shooterwalker. Thryduulf (talk) 17:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't see any evidence people using these shortcuts are doing so with the expectation they're linking to the ATA section instead of the essay. There are ~725 uses of these combined across Wikipedia, and it seems worse to change intended targeting in historical discussions than potentially correct for mistakes I didn't find in spot checking those uses. Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 20:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - Generally appropriate. Projectspace shortcuts may be, and very often are, ambiguous. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 20:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Emigration from North Korea
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Carpenters
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Carpenters → Carpentry (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

I reverted a bold change of target from Carpentry to The Carpenters, but the idea deserves discussion. A disambiguation page is also an option. What do others think? Certes (talk) 11:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Disamb makes the most sense, the terms seem co-primary for this redirect. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , please embolden your "Disamb" word so as to help the closer decide the cumulative outcome of this entry. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Carpenter (disambiguation) which already covers the plural. Thryduulf (talk) 12:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I came here undecided but support that option. The two most likely meanings are (perhaps fortuitously) right at the top of the dab. Certes (talk) 13:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to disambig (if we keep it at all). It's easy to link to either Carpenter or The Carpenters, there's no need for this to be there to support one in particular as any sort of 'convenience' or 'clarity' redirect. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, based on how this is actually being used. There are currently 41 articles linking to the page, and I checked them all. Each one refers to the profession, not the musical group. The hatnote should suffice for anyone who's confused. - Eureka Lott 00:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's actually being used in this way because any other use would be careless and we have (mostly) diligent editors. I check daily for new links to "Carpenters" which refer to the musical duo and mend them.  Others will have fixed similar errors before I spotted them, and of course we will never know how many editors considered using "Carpenters", checked where that link led, then chose a better target without publishing an incorrect link. Certes (talk) 10:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for providing that context and for diligently repairing those links. That's an impressive level of dedication! You've only had to fix 14 mainspace links in 3½ years, though, so it doesn't look like there's a problem with the current situation. - Eureka Lott 10:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per . Steel1943  (talk) 04:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per the above two users' assertions and is an R from plural-worthy title. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Eureka's diligent check of 41 incoming pages. Jay  💬 14:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Nicktoons (TV network)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Nicktoons (disambiguation).  Jay  💬 14:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Nicktoons (TV network)">Nicktoons (TV network) → Nicktoons (American TV channel) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

This title is a bit considerable considering the international versions of Nicktoons. But I'll also consider the other side of it towards deletion if the title is unmerited now. What do you think? Intrisit (talk) 11:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Nicktoons (disambiguation) as a . Thryduulf (talk) 12:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Thryduulf (who also fixed the hatnote on Nicktoons to point to the disambiguation page which I was intending to do as well). Skynxnex (talk) 15:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Nicktoons (disambiguation) per Thryduulf. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 16:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Nicktoons (TV channel)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Nicktoons (disambiguation).  Jay  💬 14:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Nicktoons (TV channel)">Nicktoons (TV channel) → Nicktoons (American TV channel) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

This title is ambiguous considering the international versions of it so it could be a DAB page. American Wikipedians may dispute this; that's why I've listed it here, since this title hasn't hasn't fallen into one before. Intrisit (talk) 11:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete - Per nominator TheNuggeteer (talk) 11:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Nicktoons (disambiguation) as a . Thryduulf (talk) 12:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Thryduulf. Skynxnex (talk) 16:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. This is exactly why we have this DAB page in the first place. Fieari (talk) 02:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Nicktoons (disambiguation) per Thryduulf. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 16:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Druisk
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