Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 19

June 19
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 19, 2024.

EarthBound 3
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  ✗  plicit  00:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * EarthBound 3 → Mother 3 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

"earthbound" is mother 2, with mother being referred to as "earthbound beginnings" when it finally got officially released outside of japan. some fans used to refer to mother as "earthbound zero" before. in any possible case that doesn't involve not knowing that the franchise has a different name in japan or being from an alternate timeline where mother was released internationally with its intended international name (earth bound), mother 3 would be earthbound 2  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 20:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. By your own logic, this redirect should point towards Mother 4, a game that does not exist. We have a page titled Mother 4, but it is a redirect towards Earthbound fandom, which talks about two fan-projects that took the name 'Mother 4', neither of which have released. In any case, if someone searches for 'Earthbound 3', I would assume first that they were looking for Mother 3 (and had forgotten that the franchise has a different name (edit: AND numbering schema 19:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC))  in Japan), over assuming they were looking for a fan-project that never released. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep While it is true that if localized, Mother 3 will probably be called Earthbound 2, it is an easy error for fans to make and therefore a believable search target. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - agree with the above BugGhost 🪲👻 16:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - The chain of thought is easy to follow. I want Mother 3.  The Mother series is EarthBound in the west.  Thus, I should search for EarthBound 3.  This is the best target. Fieari (talk) 04:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Anabaptist Healthshare
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Anabaptist Healthshare → Health care sharing ministry (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Singular mention of this organization that this redirect was intended for was removed in October 2023 per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Mention is unlikely to be restored. Jalen Folf  (Bark[s])  20:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete Does not help readers.
 * Ca talk to me!  08:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete not mentioned, potentially confusing, serves no navigational purpose. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:39B9:A943:564A:3BA (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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It hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * It hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts → Yahtzee Croshaw (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

like with "intruder alert! intruder alert!" before, i don't think a basic thing said multiple times in this manner can be primarily associated to one person or piece of media. also not or at least no longer mentioned in the target, i guess  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 19:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete delete delete delete delete as vague per nom. Also, potentially Daftify. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as definitively implausible. The target section of the redirect doesn't even exist, and the phrase doesn't exist in that article anyway. — Smuckola(talk) 03:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete as confusing at best -- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm actually not confused by this one, and quite familiar with the reference (the Chzo Mythos is surprisingly compelling), but it's utterly unneeded and not particularly notable, even amongst fans. I'm sure Croshaw doesn't have a monopoly on this phrase anyway. Fieari (talk) 05:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete This seems to be extremely generic, based on internet search. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 00:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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X (social network)
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy close without prejudice due to the ongoing move discussion  . Thryduulf (talk) 10:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="X (social network)">X (social network) → Twitter (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Currently, there's a discussion for moving Twitter under Elon Musk to this page name, for consistency, it should redirect to Twitter under Elon Musk. However, today it was retargeted to Twitter, making it strange. Web-julio (talk) 17:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment — Like you noted, there's an active requested move at Twitter under Elon Musk where people are currently discussing this exact thing. I'd ask that you consider withdrawing this RFD and talking about it in the RM instead; we really don't need to drag this debate across every single venue on Wikipedia. Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 17:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I second Dylnuge here. While I have already given my thoughts at the recently reopened RM, I do not think this is good practice to have a separate RfD for this redirect at this time. @Web-julio, please, withdraw or I !vote for a speedy close. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Draft:J.Williams
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 * The result of the discussion was speedily deleted  per G5 by CactusWriter. (non-admin closure)  —  Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 17:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Draft:J.Williams → J. Williams (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

The disambiguation page was never a draft. This was a result of a previous redirect hijacking from sockpuppets. Jalen Folf  (Bark[s])  16:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Candidates in the 2022 French legislative election
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  14:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Candidates in the 2022 French legislative election → List of deputies not running for re-election in the 2022 French legislative election (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Target is opposite of redirect, doesn't have the contents one would expect when searching for this Fram (talk) 13:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete There doesn't appear to be such a list on enwiki at the moment. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Fashion in China
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 * The result of the discussion was procedural close  shadowing the closure at Articles for deletion/Fashion in China. by Wcquidditch. The issue at hand here is now moot and the nominator has expressed a desire for withdrawal. No prejudice against renomination here at any time. (non-admin closure)  —  Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 01:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Fashion in China → Fashion in China. (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

There is now a "Fashion in China." page (note full stop). I've redirected this redirect to point there, but ideally we can delete the redirect and then move the new page to not have the full stop. (Edit to add: I know technically this belongs on the technical requests page, but since the new page already exists, I think it makes sense here?) Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Retarget back to Chinese clothing, like it was earlier today. Fashion in China. should probably get deleted or merged into Chinese clothing seeing as it seems to be a one-editor job with a lot of cross over, and it was only moved out of draft-space today. BugGhost 🪲👻 15:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, should I go ahead and revert my change and add Fashion in China. to AfD? Smallangryplanet (talk) 22:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget back to Chinese clothing; send Fashion in China. to AfD. In the event that Fashion in China. is kept (which is unlikely tbh), it can easily be moved over Fashion in China as the latter is merely a redirect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Move over redirect and suppress the title with improper punctuation. Whatever happens with the 'Fashion in China' title (e.g. it remains as an article or becomes a redirect again) aside, 'Fashion in China.' should not exist as a tile because that title format has no affinity to this topic over any other. Trivial history on the unpunctuated title, making a histmerge likely unnecessary. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 18:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I have reverted my change to the original redirect, am I able to close this as no action taken or does an admin need to do so? I can't imagine there will be any additional discussion. Smallangryplanet (talk) 12:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There are instructions for non-admins that want to close an RfD; they're Deletion_process for the "non-admin" instructions (what you're allowed to do and how you should go about it), and here for the RfD-specific instructions on how closing an article works.For the record, I believe the correct result would be "Nomination Withdrawn". 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Woketard
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 26%23Woketard

Make it mac tonight
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete.  Sjakkalle  (Check!)  07:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Make it mac tonight → Mac Tonight (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Absolutely unnecessary redirect. Bgsu98  (Talk)  04:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Being completely unfamiliar with this advertising campaign (and not really wanting to become more familiar) I'm not sure whether it's a necessary redirect or not but a Google search reveals the last line of a Mac Tonight jingle may in fact have been "Make it Mac Tonight!" (although my source is a Reditt post and I wasn't subjecting myself to the video so take that with a pinch of salt unless anyone else can find it mentioned in a reliable source). It's Mac Tonight is also a redirect to this page with it categorised as a redirect from a lyric. Adam Black  talk &bull;  contribs 04:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This redirect was also created by a user who was blocked as a long-term vandal, so I tagged this redirect as a Speedy Delete (G5) after sending it here. BTW, if you didn't experience this ad campaign in person, you didn't truly experience the 1980's. Bgsu98   (Talk)  04:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete Per above. Just found this via the ANI thread. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 05:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete Per above. It's just as invalid and implausible as "it's mac tonight", like any other obsessive WP:FANCRUFT campaign to pretend to make something out of nothing, and try to make "fetch" happen. — Smuckola(talk) 05:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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First f Great Western
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 * The result of the discussion was Delete First f Great Western, which is the only redirect that was properly tagged. There's a clear consensus to keep First Great Western, which, and a weak consensus to delete First Great Western Express in principle, but those aren't actionable due to the lack of tagging. No prejudice against renomoinating First Great Western Express with proper tagging. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

An extremely unlikely search term and a typo that even cannot be accidentally done. Just note that First Great Western was the former name of the current Great Western Railway JuniperChill (talk) 21:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC) [edited 09:50, 29 May 2024 UTC]
 * First f Great Western → Great Western Railway (train operating company) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * First Greater Western → Great Western Railway (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * First Great Western Express → Great Western Railway (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Relisting comment: Which pages should be deleted, if at all? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  16:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: One more try... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep First Greater Western as that's the legal name of the company operating the franchise . Thryduulf (talk) 08:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * weak delete First f Great Western. This is reading the corporate logo as "First f" which is not completely implausible given how it was rendered in e.g. what Commons calls the "corporate blue" livery (see image) but I can't find evidence it is commonly used. Thryduulf (talk) 08:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I mean, we don't have First f as seen at FirstGroup logo so a clear reason for deletion. Plus FGW was out of business 9 years ago so its even more unlikely. But obviously keep First Great Western JuniperChill (talk) 18:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete First Great Western Express. It wouldn't have been an implausible way to distinguish from First Great Western Link but the only uses I can find are "First Great Western express" (i.e. express trains that happen to be operated by First Great Western). Thryduulf (talk) 08:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree with Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete first two  and Tentative delete the third, though with the note that they're all being deleted for different reasons and I'm not sure they should've been grouped like this. --The first one, delete due to unlikely typo. --The second, delete due to unlikely/vague search term (Greater?? And are we sure that they were talking about a railway when all they called it is a Western??? Could've been a movie for all we know) opinion withdrawn 00:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC) --The third, tentative delete due to being... possibly unlikely? The term 'express' does narrow down that we're talking about a train, and "First Great Western" WAS the name of this rail line at one point. I could see this alternately being kept and tagged as Unnecessary Disambig.With the very different reasons why each one of these are being talked about, lastly, I propose handing nom a WP:MINNOW for grouping these together instead of keeping them separate, as this could've resulted in-- and could still result in-- a minor WP:TRAINWRECK. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "First Greater Western" is neither vague nor unlikely. It is the legal name of the company, a subsidiary of First Group (who brand most of their operations "First [name of operation]", e.g. First Great Western (the branding used for this franchise and its predecessor from 1998-2015), First TransPennine Express, First ScotRail, First Capital Connect, First North Western, etc.), that operates the Greater Western franchise. 100% of Google hits relate to this company. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I'll allow First Greater Western being kept, though I'll also note that this means that we are now officially in Minor Trainwreck territory. ...Ironic, considering we're talking about railways. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I did not think this thru. All of them are about railways all linking to the current GWR. I just thought that all three of them are very unlikely typos or search terms for FGW hence why I bundled them together. I initially thought WP:TRAINWRECK was talking about the notabilty stuff related to actual train crashes like the Stonehaven derailment or about whether to include it in an article like the EMR derailment on the List of rail accidents (2020–present). JuniperChill (talk) 00:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Nope, WP:TRAINWRECK is about how each one of these redirects has something else potentially wrong with it-- or in one case, has nothing wrong with it-- and thus we can't weigh them on the same merits, meaning that the resulting discussion gets confusing fast. I say a minor trainwreck-- and only minnowed you instead of a full-on trouting-- because there's only three redirects in the discussion, so the discussion is at least somewhat navigable.(See WP:UPPERCASE for more "Wait, I thought this shortcut meant X but it's actually talking about Y" stuff x3) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep all - As Thryduulf points out the "First f" redirect is likely based on the logo, that looks exactly like a stylised "First f Great Western", which someone could think is the name of the company. "First Greater Western" is the real name of the company, as said above. I've found some reference to "First Great Western Express" being at some point a rebrand of some First Great Western service. Redirects are cheap and it's clear what topic they are aiming for. BugGhost 🪲👻 18:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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