Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 21

June 21
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 21, 2024.

Ofcommunist
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Ofcommunist → Ofcom (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

No explanation why this redirect should exist. The phrase "Ofcommunist" does not appear in the Ofcom article. Suspect this is a PoV redirect. — Czello (music) 19:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Apparently it's an insult slung at Ofcom by Dan Wootton after he was found guilty of breaking Ofcom's broadcasting rules and lost his job at GB News. BBC article I found mentioning it.I'd say delete-- it's clearly not reached common use, Google is convinced that it's either a typo of "communist" or simply an attempt to type "of communist", and it's also a very clear portmanteau of "Ofcom" and "communist", made with the intent of perjoratively conflating the two concepts. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Although for me it's a pejoratively term at Ofcom by Dan Wootton but however it was a one-off use, I've acted in good faith but I will accept the final decision of this discussion. Pikachu3408 (talk) 22:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete. A one-off non-notable usage that has not caught on. &mdash; The Anome (talk) 13:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - just an off-hand comment from a journalist (stretching the term), no other uses that I can see. BugGhost 🪲👻 10:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as trolling. Softlavender (talk) 02:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Motorscooterxxx
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Motorscooterxxx → Scooter (motorcycle) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Implausible title because of the three x's. Most of the edit history consists of a brief edit war, with being virtually identical to. Note that the redirect itself was from the original title "Motorscooter". It seems that the user wanted for the main article to be at that title, and made a rather disruptive copy-paste onto the redirect. The situation here is similar to the "Pkiro Wrokestling" redirect (RfD). Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 17:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * i can understand the reasoning. x is a really cool letter, so adding more x's to things makes them cooler. still, delete as missing a space (and also as an implausible spelling, i guess)  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 20:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So, what, is this an imcomplete WP:ROUNDROBIN? Move Motorscooter to Motorscooterxxx, move Scooter (motorcycle) to Motorscooter, then move Motorscooterxxx to Scooter (motorcycle), all without leaving redirects behind? Because if that was the goal, that's not what user:Scooteristi did-- they left a redirect behind when moving Motorscooter, then repaired the Motorscooter redirect to point at Scooter (motorcycle), meanwhile, not moving Scooter (motorcycle) anywhere. Also interesting is that before they moved Motorscooter to Motorscooterxxx, they blanked the page-- another editor (user:Tedder, who two years prior had BLAR'd the page; page before that point had been a fork? of Scooter (motorcycle) created by... Scooteristi, interestingly enough) then went back and restored the redirect that was there (perhaps not noticing that the page was now Motorscooterxxx).In any case, whatever nonsensical reasoning behind this, there's nothing of value in the 2009-era fork that's in the edit history. Delete. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Good grief, this is from 2009. Definitely just speedy delete this stupid fork/redirect and move on. tedder (talk) 21:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * After some more investigation, this wasn't a fork, but a botched and malformed move -- Scooteristi had copy-pasted the Scooter article in its entirety over to Motorscooter, then BLAR'd the Scooter article, only for Tedder to fix it. Which means that everything notable in this article's edit history was already in the edit history of Scooter. Edited for clarity 11:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * xxxDeletexxx per above. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 11:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * wow that's a cool vote  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 19:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

D-ring
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 * The result of the discussion was new article created at D-ring  . Other titles discussed will be retargeted to point there. signed,Rosguill talk 13:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


 * D-ring → Glossary of underwater diving terminology: A–C (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * D ring → Glossary of underwater diving terminology: A–C (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * D Ring → Rings of Saturn (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

I'm not convinced that either of these targets (or even Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D–G) are the primary topic, nor that they should target different articles. The whatlinkshere for D-ring are mostly unrelated to diving and just expect an article about the generic bit of hardware - there is an unsourced stub in the history of that page about that, but I'm not sure what scope there is for expansion? Thryduulf (talk)


 * Note PamD has retargetted D-ring (but not D ring) to Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D–G. Thryduulf (talk) 14:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry, I did that on noticing that it was clearly wrongly-targetted, but hadn't noticed the other one also wrong (and it's also hard to spot them in the D-G list as they are filed letter-by-letter where I expected word-by-word!) ... then looked further into D-rings and despaired of a sensible solution. The Wiktionary definition is specific to diving, but it appears from googling that "D-ring" is a very widely-used term for, well, literally a D-shaped ring, used in hanging pictures, anchoring webbing, and many other fields. As we don't have a List of useful miscellaneous bits of hardware, it's hard to see where it should go. I've now retargetted D ring so at least it's consistent and makes some sort of sense ... even if possibly wrong.
 * Perhaps we need to edit Wiktionary to remove diving's hijacking of a generic term, then we could have a dab page for diving and Saturn, with a Wiktionary link. Pam  D  16:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, change to a disambiguation page. — Lentower (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: None of these terms are clearly the most prevalent, so none should be singled out at the top of the new disambig page. — Lentower (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: Some of these pages, e.g. D ring binder should be on the new page. (I haven't read the guidelines here, so am not feel qualified make the decision).
 * All pages with titles containing D ring
 * All pages with titles containing D-ring
 * All pages with titles beginning with D ring
 * All pages with titles beginning with D-ring
 * I suggest all six of these templates be in the See also section on the new page. — Lentower (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * As the creator of one of these redirects, I should point out that the page I had redirected it to at the time was (unsourced stub or no) much more useful than the current nautical one-liner. We should probably end up with D-ring as a disambiguation page and the other two redirected back to it; but there is a need for a stand-alone article explaining the ingenious contraption. --pmj (talk) 23:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, so since 2005 we've had an unsourced article showing the diverse uses of D rings - holding down loads on lorries, BDSM, saddlery, safety harnesses, diving /climbing/ caving gear, etc. It would be more constructive to find a few sources to support some of these uses, rather than convert the article to a redirect to any one of them. I suggest that the reader would be better served if we reverted to that article as last seen and find some sources to add so that we don't go round this loop again. Here are a couple for starters: D rings in clothing and in picture-hanging.  Pam  D  07:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Dabify per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 11:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * D Ring is a proper noun, leave it alone. (A hat note is acceptable.)  The rest should redirect to an article on the hardware, with a hat-note.  There should be no reason for a dab page here, uses should include links to whatever is significant.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC).
 * Dabify per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 11:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * D Ring is a proper noun, leave it alone. (A hat note is acceptable.)  The rest should redirect to an article on the hardware, with a hat-note.  There should be no reason for a dab page here, uses should include links to whatever is significant.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC).


 * Dabify per above. I agree that the hardware may not be Primary Topic, and even if it is, shouldn't be the only thing people are given access to- someone searching for "D ring" or "D-ring" could just as easily be looking for Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D–G, Rings of Saturn, D ring binder, et cetera.I'd like to note that Rich Farmbrough has already drafted up... I'm actually not sure if that's a dab page or an article, on the D-ring page. Looks like it needs polish, but it's a good start and a sight better than the single sentence on Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D-G. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Given the Rich Farmborough draft currently in place, I suggest we now keep it as an article. &mdash; The Anome (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * DABify - The proposed article at D-ring can be moved to "D-ring (Hardware)" or similar, but I don't think there is a primary topic between it, the rings of saturn, and binders, so the base term should be disambiguated. Fieari (talk) 00:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Dabify all of them. Aside from Saturn and diving, it is also part of some ejection seats as the activation handle D-ring, and Belt (clothing), and carbiner, and D-ring binder -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 14:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep the article drafted by at either D-ring or D ring, with a redirect from the other form and a hatnote pointing to D Ring. It's not a dab page we need, but an article about the item of hardware shaped like a D and used for webbing on trucks, straps on clothing, hanging pictures, BDSM, and a multitude of other purposes including diving gear. There are variations with an attached tab for a screw/nail (picture-hanging), variations with a hinged section like a carabiner, and so on. Some are made of plastic. Two D rings together can form a sort of buckle for clothing. All this can go in the article, properly sourced. The entry in the Diving glossary can refer back to this general article. We need refs/examples for the various fields in which D rings are used. Possibly something about when the terminology was first used (doesn't seem to be in the OED, sadly).  Pam  D  14:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Return to freestanding page. I’m not sure how to do this, so please excuse my lack of familiarity with the protocol. But the Original page (as a freestanding page, and not a redirect anywhere) was appropriate. That’s what a D-ring is, foremost. Anybody who’s worked with them knows this. (And by all means their use in underwater work is a minor subset, and this page should not redirect there; rather, vice versa, if anything.) If you want to create a separate disambiguation page, fine, so long as this page remains as it is. Minor uses of the term (like a D-ring binder) should be worked in wherever appropriate. But good intentions should not lead to usurping the existing page and its focus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:196:180:DC0:71F6:28F0:BC89:B999 (talk) 06:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ...That "existing page" was written during these discussions lol 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

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