Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 22

June 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 22, 2024.

Gaza death camp
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 * The result of the discussion was Delete The argument for deletion here isn't just that the term is not neutral (which the retarget/keep side is correct isn't a valid reason for deletion), but instead it's lack of utility as a redirect along the lines of CMD and FortunateSons' comments which have gone unrefuted.  * Pppery * it has begun...  23:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Gaza death camp → Gaza Strip (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Delete for obvious severe neutrality concerns. There's also "Gaza concentration camp" and "Gaza extermination camp" which I'm too lazy to include at the moment. Anonymous 19:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present). We have lots of non-neutral redirects, and some of them are indeed quite offensive. But I don't see how these ones in particular do any harm. —  Trilletrollet  [ Talk &#124; Contribs ] 21:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete for NPOV, per nom. Longhornsg (talk) 20:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete or Retarget to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present), per WP:RNEUTRAL, redirects do not need to be neutral. The term has seen some use, however I am not sure if it qualifies as common use. However my suggested retarget contains more information about deaths in Gaza strip. Ca talk to me!  08:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Good points, I've updated my vote. —  Trilletrollet  [ Talk &#124; Contribs ] 08:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget as per Ca. As mentioned, WP:RNEUTRAL dictates that redirects do not need to be neutral; not only are redirects much harder to see (your average reader isn't going to use the "what links here" tool), but also, if someone were to use a non-neutral search term for whatever reason (for example, "hey, I've heard this term being batted around, what the heck are people talking about?"), we shouldn't keep them from reaching the information we have on the topic.I agree that the Gaza Humanitarian Crisis article is a better target than Gaza Strip. However, barring the retarget, I would prefer keep over deletion. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * However,, in your example, the person would not actually learn anything about the term and simply be redirected to a vaguely relevant article. You are certainly right that being useful is more important than neutrality when it comes to redirects, but the fact that the redirect has had exactly one view barring yesterday, having been around for about a month, does not help its case on that end either. Anonymous  18:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget as per Ca. BugGhost 🪲👻 12:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza would be a better target? BugGhost 🪲👻 13:09, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 20:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, at most this is a flowery epithet. It may not even be a single term, "death camp" serves as a descriptor for Gaza . The term serves no navigational use as a redirect, anyone who knows about the Gaza strip would be searching for that, and anyone who is genuinely seeking it out as a term will only be obliquely helped by redirecting to the humanitarian crisis. Another consideration is that searching Gaza death camp without quotes on google brings up actual specific camps, such as the Sde Teiman detention camp, and it does seem a plausible descriptor for that too. CMD (talk) 07:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete for severe NPOV. DaringDonna (talk) 20:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note that, per WP:RNEUTRAL, redirects do not need to be neutral. Ca talk to me!  07:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete this one and the others. While they don’t have to be neutral, they do need to be somewhat commonly used, and this isn’t. FortunateSons (talk) 00:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hot magenta
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Content was reinstated at the target. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 19:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hot magenta → Shades of magenta (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Primary topic should be the list of Crayola crayon colors, as the color isn't notable enough to cover in the current target article. 24.194.71.209 (talk) 19:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment - List of Crayola crayon colors does cover the color (also briefly mentioned in passing at Timeline of Crayola), whereas the current target does not. The other option would be List of colors (alphabetical), where the color is also listed in a more generalized way. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 21:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please note that this color was covered at the target until very recently, when it and several other shades were . - Eureka Lott 07:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ...I'm not entirely certain why Hot Magenta and other shades were removed from the article there? Gonna move that to the talk page of the article, but in the meantime, I'm withholding my vote. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 08:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - Hot Magenta has now been reinstated back in at Shades of magenta - assuming it stays there and doesn't get removed again, this redirect is worth keeping as-is BugGhost 🪲👻 07:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Bugghost. Thryduulf (talk) 09:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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List of celebrities in The Simpsons
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  .  Jay  💬 00:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * List of celebrities in The Simpsons → List of recurring The Simpsons characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

The title seems ambiguous over whether it should refer to guest stars in the series (in which case it would redirect to List of The Simpsons guest stars (seasons 21–present)) or in-universe fictional characters who are celebrities (the current purpose of the redirect). Xeroctic (talk) 15:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  14:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambig no clear primary topic and at least three targets (the two listed above and List of The Simpsons guest stars (seasons 1–20)). Thryduulf (talk) 17:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Disambiguate - per nom and Thryduulf BugGhost 🪲👻 07:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Skymont (microarchitecture)
<span id="Skymont (microarchitecture)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 29%23Skymont (microarchitecture)

Sheiße
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Scheisse. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Sheiße">Sheiße → Shit (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

This is an WP:RLANG from what I guess is a misspelling of German Scheiße. Although Wiktionary says the correct spelling is also an English word, its use as such is not discussed in the article, and the misspelling does not appear in the article at all. I suggest retargeting it to Scheisse, to which "Scheiße" already redirects. PleaseStand (talk) 10:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget as per nom. In german, the ß character (aka the Eszette) is functionally interchangeable with two S-es. Therefore, this is functionally the exact same as typing "Sheisse", and we can easily retarget it to Scheisse as an R from misspelling. Normally I'd discard it as a simple WP:RLANG, but there's no sense doing that when there's a clear target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:27, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * retarget to Scheisse as Scheiße already does. And tag as r from misspelling. Skynxnex (talk) 03:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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The Bell- Iris Murdoch
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The Bell- Iris Murdoch → The Bell (novel) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Delete this incorrectly-formatted redirect. The Bell (Iris Murdoch novel) exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete as unlikely typographic error. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  13:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Bio-coat rack
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Template:Bio-coat rack → Template:Coatrack (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

tagged at Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 11 but not listed (due to an error by me, I apparently failed to copy over all three entries). * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 05:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:VN
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 29%23Wikipedia:VN

Partisan movement
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 29%23Partisan movement

Megabucks (slot machine)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to International Game Technology (1975–2015).  Jay  💬 01:43, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Megabucks (slot machine)">Megabucks (slot machine) → Slot machine (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

There is no mention of "Megabucks" at the target, meaning that this redirect is confusing or unnecessary. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to International Game Technology (1975–2015). There are a few mentions of a Megabucks slot machines but this is the only one that contains any detail (albeit not a lot). Thryduulf (talk) 17:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Weak retarget to International Game Technology (1975–2015), per Thryduulf. "Weak" because the target article only mentions megabucks twice, and neither instance has a citation attached to it. If not this retarget then I'd lean delete. BugGhost 🪲👻 12:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Kelvin Lim
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 09:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Kelvin Lim → Kelvin Lim Hock Hin (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

This redirect should be deleted, as all it serves is to redirect the Singaporean Basketball player Kelvin Lim to the completely unrelated criminal Kelvin Lim Hock Hin. There is no relation mentioned anywhere online or on Kelvin Lim Hock Hin's page. JubaTuba (talk) 05:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, this is a WP:PTM and nom clearly lays out how it could be harmful. I will note that unless someone makes an actual page for Kelvin Lim, this issue will still persist in a form-- the search results pulled up by searching Kelvin Lim will still likely have Kelvin Lim Hock Hin at the very top of the list due to it being a partial title match. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The nom has not established notability of the basketball player. There's no case for REDLINK, since this is a valid alternate spelling of the name for the criminal. It is his "English name" in the Singaporean context. If the basketball player gets an article, then this can be revisited. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete for safety. If someone is named Kelvin Lim, it could be devastating if someone googled their name and got this page. This is a WP:BLP-adjacent issue. Fieari (talk) 06:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The current target article's person is named "Kelvin Lim", it's right there in the infobox. Does that mean we need to delete all redirects to all criminals? Make criminal biographies impossible to find? What if there's some other person who is named "Kelvin Lim Hock Hin without an article somewhere in the world? Does that mean we need to hide this biography? There are many people in the world who share names with criminals. That's just life. People get harrassed at airports all the time because they have the same name as someone on the no-fly list. These incidents sometimes show up on local news. WP:NOTCENSORED Wikipedia is not censored.  -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep because practically there was no other person on a Wikipedia article with the same name by the way. But I still understand your reasons (all of them are valid) to nominate this for deletion or something, and I accept it even if the result is delete. Alternatively if in the future, another Kelvin Lim made his way into Wikipedia as another unrelated article, I suggest we can still revive the redirect to include the same Kelvin Lims into a sort of disambiguation page. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: Besides, I checked the Wikipedia and search on Google, but I did not find a Wikipedia page about the Singaporean basketball player who got the same name. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * From the Team Singapore webpage it appears the basketball player's name is Kelvin Lim Hong Da -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC) [fixed typo] -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 21:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep This person has an English given name "Kelvin" and a surname "Lim" and a Chinese given name "Hock Hin", thus this is a valid redirect from the "English name" rendering of his name "Kelvin Lim". It is a valid redirect. There is no other topic article on Wikipedia who uses this name. Alternately, disambiguate with Kelvin Lim Yong Sheng, a Singaporean field hockey player and silver medalist at the Field hockey at the 2007 SEA Games. Kelvin Lim Leong Keat, a sailor who won gold for Malaysia at the 2001 SEA Games, Kelvin Lim Kok Peng, a Singaporean zoologist, for which the species Tioman Island rock gecko (Cnemaspis limi) is named for. Kelvin Lim, the defence lawyer in the Orchard Towers double murders case and Koh Swee Beng case and Yishun triple murders and Murder of William Tiah Hung Wai case. Clearly the basketball player isn't more notable. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Is this basketball player also called Kelvin Lim Hong Da / Hong Da Kelvin Lim / Kelvin Hong Da Lim / Lim Hong Da / Hong Da Lim ? . Because, that should be the name of the basketball player's article then, and not just "Kelvin Lim" -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - per 64.229.90.32 and NelsonLee20042020. "Kelvin Lim" is a name that Kelvin Lim Hock Hin used - it's listed in "Other names" in the infobox, and he is referred to as just "Kelvin Lim" 5 times in the body of the article. Whether or not there's also a basketball player who has a similar name the redirect is valid and correct. If the basketball player ever becomes notable enough to get an article and it's also asserted that they are recognised by the name "Kelvin Lim", then maybe a disambiguation page can be created - but for now it's fine as-is. BugGhost 🪲👻 11:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * Keep per BugGhost. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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