Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 27

June 27
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 27, 2024.

LGBT in Brazil
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to LGBT people in Brazil.  Complex / Rational  11:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * LGBT in Brazil → LGBT rights in Brazil (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Based on this discussion, it seems LGBT people in Brazil is the primary topic per WP:Broad-concept article. But if this is ambiguous, move LGBT in Brazil (disambiguation) here or delete that DAB? -- MikutoH talk! 23:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That discussion, which does not appear to have reached a consensus, itself links to Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 18, but that one was complicated by the fact that there isn't a broad-concept "people" article for Russia. However, it appears that most people agree that, if it exists, the broad-concept article should be the target, so support the proposed retarget to LGBT people in Brazil. Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 13:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Retarget per Chaotic Enby. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to LGBT people in Brazil, and expand that article to include summary-style sections covering LGBT history in Brazil and LGBT rights in Brazil.--Trystan (talk) 16:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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French-speakers outside of Quebec
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  * Pppery * it has begun...  01:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * French-speakers outside of Quebec → Francophone Canadians (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

The redirect has a different target than it had during the RFD in 2019, but still has the same problem: The redirect is not exclusive to Canada as there are French speakers around the world, like in ... France and Louisiana, neither part of Canada. Steel1943 (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


 * In Canadian French, "Francophones hors Québec" refers specifically to French speakers that live in a Canadian province or territory that is not Quebec. It does not apply to those living in other countries.  That being said, this is en.wiki, and I don't know if English-language sources use "French-speakers outside of Quebec" in this sense. 162 etc. (talk) 19:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Discussion thus far has a consensus to delete, but a relist seems appropriate given the prior discussion and minimal participation. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 18:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. While the expression can be found in English-language Canadian publications, where the context makes the "elsewhere in Canada" meaning clear, it does not make much sense without that context, nor does it appear to be a widely used set expression that people might search for or link to. Indeed, there are no incoming links to this redirect. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment it can be displaced/recreated to French-speakers outside of Quebec in Canada or French-speakers outside of Quebec (Canada) or Canadian French-speakers outside of Quebec -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 08:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 21:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Geographical distribution of French speakers. It has been argued in the previous discussion and above that this phrasing is used in Canada. That said, it has also been argued that taken literally it also refers to non-Canadian French speakers. My suggested retarget covers both groups. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep and Refine to Francophone Canadians that shows that Quebec French speakers are 85%, and shows the % of every other state. In usefulness, because of the statistics, I find this target better than French Canadians which was the overwhelming favourite of the previous RfD. With Quebec part of the search term, I see the context as local to Canada, hence am not in favour of Geographical distribution of French speakers, nor do I support the nomination rationale. Jay  💬 19:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep, although I wouldn't mind refining it as well per above. Now, strictly speaking and based on a logical, mathematical approach to language, this search could include French speakers outside Canada as well, such as in Africa, the Caribbean, Louisiana, and even France itself.  However, I don't think such a logical and mathematical approach is how people typically use language-- when the scope of a Canadian province is specified, I think it is entirely reasonable for someone to expect to stay within the scope of Canada even without spelling it out, and the fact that this is a translation of a commonly used French-Canadian phrase that does in fact always means "within Canada" pushes me more towards keeping the target of this redirect refined to within Canada as well. Fieari (talk) 23:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Upon further review, this redirect has no incoming links. We lose nothing by deleting it. 162 etc. (talk) 05:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Incoming internal links are not the only usage of redirects here. Search plausibility is actually the more primary usage, wikipedians can usually be expected not to link to redirects at all. Fieari (talk) 00:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Is it plausible for users to search for a term that doesn't appear to have any kind of widespread usage in reliable sources, or well-established definition? 162 etc. (talk) 16:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Term seems to have widespread usage in Canada, specifically. Google confirms. Fieari (talk) 06:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Geographical distribution of French speakers per Tavix.  C F A   💬  16:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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Bible Videos
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . However, participants were in favour of creating a disambiguation page under the lowercased title of Bible videos.  Jay  💬 14:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Bible Videos → List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn't seem like the appropriate target for such a broadly-named redirect. ~Awilley (talk) 04:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep: when you search "Bible Videos" in Wikipedia the first entry was the List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints article, the other article that would make sense under this redirect was BibleProject, but this is an organization, and yes they make Bible videos too but they are less popular than the Church makes and they separate them as "Old Testament" and "New Testament", and not "Bible Videos", in their YouTube channel description, they dont say they make "Bible Videos", but "free resources to help you experience the Bible". Furawi (talk) 05:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget - The sole source for the List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints section refers to the videos as "Life of Jesus Christ Bible Videos". Bible Videos in my view should redirect to Christian media, which is the closest generalised topic I could find, but I don't feel too strongly either way. BugGhost 🪲👻 09:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * After reading the below replies I think Thryduulf's 2nd suggestion of "make Bible videos a disambiguation page that includes List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The Bible in film, List of films based on the Bible, and similar articles, and then point Bible Videos to Bible videos" is the best option. BugGhost 🪲👻 09:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep but add a hatnote. I was very surprised to find that the current target is the clear primary topic when googling for "Bible Vidoes" -Wikipedia but it is. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Having thought some more about this, I think my preference would be to make Bible videos a disambiguation page that includes List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The Bible in film, List of films based on the Bible, and similar articles, and then point Bible Videos to Bible videos. It simply doesn't seem right to me to imply that the LDS Church has a monopoly on producing bible videos, and I think the redirect would surprise any readers who happen to follow it. My second preference would be to retarget Bible Videos to List of films based on the Bible which could include a link to List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I too am surprised to see the LDS Church's webpage as the #1 result for a Google search for "bible videos" but I think we can do better than following Google's blind algorithm.  ~Awilley (talk) 15:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per above. The LDS have apparently done some really effective SEO here, but speaking as a former Christian, I'm pretty darn sure that "bible videos" is a generic term for any Christian or other religious media that tries to depict a story from the bible, or is a video taped sermon/lecture/bible study. Fieari (talk) 23:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

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 * disambiguate. keeping would feel like if "music video" redirected to iosys, or if "fast food" redirected to mcdonald's. there's really no point in redirecting a basic concept like this to a single entity  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 02:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Dabify as per Thryduulf. While it's true that Google points to the LDS as "primary", that's something I find baffling-- Surely at the very least Veggietales or The Prince of Egypt or any number of other mainstream, more-generally-Christian videos and films would be primary over the Mormon videos. The lists Thryduulf grabbed have links to those films and more. Good work! 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Comment - Honestly, given the capitalization, a good argument can be made to keep the current target. If Bible videos existed, I might suggest Christian media as the best target I could find. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 06:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per the 5 above. Ambiguous title, thus worhty DAB title. Intrisit (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep and add a hatnote. Capitalisation is important: this isn't Bible videos (WP:DIFFCAPS). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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The Stand Off
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 14:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The Stand Off → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * <span id="The Stand Off (film)">The Stand Off (film) → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

This is not mentioned in the target article. Third party searches are not really helping matters to identify what subject these redirects are meant to refer either. On one hand, searching "The Stand Off Netflix" on some third party search engines returns results for miniseries Waco: American Apocalypse; however, I was not able to find any information stating that miniseries was known previously as "The Stand Off". In addition, there is also the subject at Standoff (film), made in 2016 ... but, there is also a different film which we apparently do not have an article for, which was also made in 2016, called "The Standoff" starring Olivia Holt. Probably best to delete these unless a strong connection can be made between these redirects and at least one of the aforementioned subjects (or one that has yet to be created.) Steel1943  (talk) 17:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Upon further research, seems the subject of these redirects is not the miniseries Waco: American Apocalypse. According to an article written a few years back, apparently, the subject is about a screenplay (probably intended to become a film) written by Mark Heyman, but in that article, there is no mention of a subject by the name of the nominated redirects. Steel1943  (talk) 19:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 18:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to the dab at Standoff where two films are listed. "Stand off" is obviously a very plausible search term for most things listed at the dab page, "Stand Off" equally so for at least the media productions and the Canadian community. Similarly "The Stand Off" and "The Standoff" are both completely plausible search terms for the other, but what about for things without the definite article? My gut feeling is that it's not impossible for someone to misremember the name of the media productions, but I'm not familiar with any of them hence the "weak". Thryduulf (talk) 22:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and could see nothing of this sort at the DAB page. By the way, this is for the film/movie, not the literal "stand off/Stand Off". Intrisit (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. I can't find a mention of "The Stand Off" that doesn't mean "stand off". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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National Register of Historic Places listings in Metroplex1
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination.  Jay  💬 14:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * National Register of Historic Places listings in Metroplex1 → National Register of Historic Places listings in the Metroplex region of Texas: Other (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Implausible typo. Likely left over from an editor trying to do a round-robin move without the ability to suppress redirects. --Ahecht (<b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK PAGE</b>) 21:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Woodshop and wood shop
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 * The result of the discussion was Disambiguate * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Currently woodshop redirects to vocational education while wood shop redirects to woodworking. The redirects should be consistent and redirect to the same place. "woodshop" and "wood shop" are the same with the only difference being an inclusion or absence of a space. Fish567 (talk) 18:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Woodshop → Vocational education (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Wood shop → Woodworking (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Comment I've fixed the nomination and am just about to tag the redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 19:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually it seems like user:Cogsan beat me to the tagging! Thryduulf (talk) 19:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * and you beat me to fixing the nomination  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 19:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * retarget woodshop to woodworking. not a lot of mentions of shops of wood variety in vocational education, and only one mention of it in woodworking, which works for me. there's also a film titled woodshop, which either makes things more confusing or would make for a good enough target  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 19:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment, leaning disambiguate. Looking on google, both spellings give me so many results for shops that sell wood that it's entirely useless. Looking at the what links here, the single word variant is consistently referring to the vocational educational meaning while the two-word version is pretty even between both. However it's not possible to know how many links have been corrected (especially by the redirects being bypassed) so this can only be a single datapoint. Based on this, I think disambiguation is possibly the best option, at least in the short term. If after a few months clickstream data is available to show where people want to go we could retarget again if there is a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 19:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambig Having now seen Cogsan's mention of Woodshop (film) and found that Woodshop (Beavis and Butt-head episode) exists, I think primary disambiguation is the way to go. Wood Shop BBQ would be an appropriate see also on the dabpage too I think. Thryduulf (talk) 19:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambig as per Thryduulf, with Woodworking as the primary target. In order to get rid of shops that sell wood, I searched "Woodshop -sale" and "Wood shop -sale" on Google, and the results were pretty unambiguous in referring to either woodworking as a hobby/profession, or a workshop primarily set up for woodworking projects. (Which makes sense; the relationship 'woodshop' has with Vocational education is simply that woodworking one of the most well-known trades taught by such classes.) That said, the additional hits of Woodshop (film), Woodshop (Beavis and Butt-head episode), and Wood Shop BBQ seem like great additional targets for a dab page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Drafted a dab at the non-spaced title with woodworking as the primary per Lunamann. Jay  💬 14:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Amoogus
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 5%23Amoogus

Aliens guy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  21:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Aliens guy → Giorgio A. Tsoukalos (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

as opposed to "ancient aliens guy", this doesn't seem to narrow things down a whole lot. could refer to james cameron for all we know  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 18:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per nom. Fieari (talk) 00:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as above Thosbsamsgom (talk) 17:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 21:14, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Rods from Gods and Rods from gods
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  and Delete.  Complex / Rational  21:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Rods from Gods and Rods from gods → Kinetic bombardment (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

This redirect has a nonsensical title containing two differentcapitalisations of the same term. 216.250.199.4 (talk) 17:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete the Redirect and Delete the redirect as redundant and redundant  cogsan (nag me and nag me)  (stalk me and stalk me) 18:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete - The Department of Redundancy Department called. Fieari (talk) 00:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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Death Trap (Star Wars:The Clone Wars (2008 TV series)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  14:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Death Trap (Star Wars:The Clone Wars (2008 TV series)">Death Trap (Star Wars:The Clone Wars (2008 TV series) → List of Star Wars: The Clone Wars episodes (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

The redirect has a pair of unclosed parenthesis. Merge history with Death Trap (Star Wars: The Clone Wars) and delete this one. Gonnym (talk) 08:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * delete as malformed (there's also a missing space after the colon), but where's the second unclosed parenthesis?  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 19:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:RDAB. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 21:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Patrick Patterson
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 * The result of the discussion was Restore the 2020 version  * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...  01:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Patrick Patterson → Pat Patterson (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

The Pat Patterson to whom this redirects actually has the given name Pierre, and does not appear to have ever been known as "Patrick"; in fact, most of the people on the disambiguation page, Pat Patterson (disambiguation), have a given first name that is not "Pat" or "Patrick" (though there are a few that do). I propose to disambiguate this title separately, listing only those names of people who were actually named or known as Patrick Patterson. I have drafted this under the current redirect. BD2412 T 00:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Pat Patterson (disambiguation). Oppose the separate dabpage.  See Talk:Pat Patterson. 162 etc. (talk) 01:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think the 2023 discussion speaks to the possibility of splitting these, and as outlined in the proposal, most of the names on the page are not Patrick at all. It isn't actually clear that any of the three named "Patrick" are actually ever called "Pat" either. BD2412  T 01:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll point out that when I made this edit, Pat Patterson was the disambiguation page, not the wrestler's article. (That was moved a few weeks later, but the redirect was never updated.) It's clear to me that the wrestler is not the primary topic for "Patrick Patterson". 162 etc. (talk) 01:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This disambiguation page needs to be restored to the 6 January 2020‎ version. That version includes a link to the Pat Paterson redirect.  Apparently the wrestler isn't even named Patrick. --rogerd (talk) 02:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support by restoring the 6 January 2020‎ version (which is same as the nom's drafted version) per rogerd. It's not clear why prefers the Pat Patterson (disambiguation) or opposes the drafted (previous) dab page, but I'm willing to hear the arguments.  Jay  💬 14:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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