Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 29

June 29
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 29, 2024.

Kansas City shooting
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure)  Queen of Hearts &thinsp;talk 01:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Kansas City shooting → 2024 Kansas City parade shooting (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

This should be disambiguated. By now, this redirect no longer passes WP:PTOPIC, because according to page view statistics, this only accounts for around 40% of the views of Kansas City shootings, and PTOPIC says it should be more then all other applicable articles (Kansas City massacre, Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting, Shooting of Ralph Yarl) combined 69.118.230.235 (talk) 20:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Based on pageviews since the last RfD closed, the target still accounts for 50% of the views of the articles mentioned by the nominator. It has twice as many views as the next-most-viewed article, Shooting of Ralph Yarl. Thus, I believe it is still the primary topic. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thats a very broad range. Over the past month (6/6 to 7/5), I checked and the 2024 Kansas City shooting receives 43.6% of the views - which is certainly more then the others but not enough per WP:PTOPIC. 69.118.230.235 (talk) 21:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I would be more convinced to disambiguate if the views were relatively equal. 43.6% of views in the last month is still a significant amount. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Its significant, but PTOPIC says more then the others combined, and 43.6% is less then 56.4%.69.118.230.235 (talk) 23:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per nomination. There are notable shootings in Kansas City. Ahri Boy (talk) 02:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Dabify per nom. There no longer appears to be a singular primary topic, and thus this should be a dab page. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 22:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate as before. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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The insurrection
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Insurrection (disambiguation). Feeling frosty here... (non-admin closure) Ca talk to me!  13:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The insurrection → January 6 United States Capitol attack (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

A classic WP:RECENTISM issue here. I recommend retargeting to Insurrection (disambiguation) much like The war targets to War (disambiguation). Hog Farm Talk 14:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Should be retargeted to the disambiguation page. Shearonink (talk) 16:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Clearly ambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget. If the reader does want to go to the page on Jan 6, it's on the dab page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Insurrection (disambiguation) per everyone above. Which insurrection? The January 6, 2021 one certainly isn't the primary topic. Regards, SONIC  678  05:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Cos (X + Z) 03:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to disambiguation page per nomination. SmittenGalaxy  &#124;  talk!  07:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Teri Chhaon Mein
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  per WP:CSD.  ✗  plicit  00:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Teri Chhaon Mein → Hum TV (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Redirect seems to have been created as part of an effort to WP:GAME the system on article creation. Allan Nonymous (talk) 11:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Raisi
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 * The result of the discussion was Restore the disambiguation * Pppery * it has begun... 01:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Raisi → Ebrahim Raisi (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Raisi (disambiguation) → Ebrahim Raisi (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

A quick explainer on the history of this redirect: Initially, Raisi had been a redirect to Raisi, Razavi Khorasan (an article about a tiny village). Later on, I moved the article to its present title, intending to disambiguate the base title. However, I then noticed that Raisi (disambiguation) already existed, so I made a request at WP:RM/TR, which was promptly fulfilled. Thus, Raisi became a dab page, with Raisi (disambiguation) a redirect to it. In the last chapter of this saga, IP user 2601:646:8003:6B20:894E:7841:319C:88CA redirected the page to Ebrahim Raisi, so the page Raisi (disambiguation) was automatically retargeted as well. However, since it has (disambiguation) in the title, it's eligible for deletion under G14 if kept as is.

I see two (or maybe three) options out of this strange pickle:


 * Firstly (and what I advocate), we could restore the dab page at Raisi, and retarget Raisi (disambiguation) to Raisi. This restores the previous status quo.
 * Secondly, we could have Raisi as a redirect to Ebrahim Raisi, and Raisi (disambiguation) be the dab page. I have at least two issues with this: firstly, that Ebrahim Raisi might not pass ten year test, despite his newfound fame due to his death. Plus, here's also the technical history of attribution when dabbing Raisi (disambiguation). However, if there's enough support for it, I could see this work.
 * Thirdly, and the option I'd oppose the most, we keep Raisi, speedy delete Raisi (disambiguation), and handle disambiguation via some sort of massive hatnote(s) on the article Ebrahim Raisi. The reason I'd oppose this so much is because the hatnote(s) would have to be enormous - the previous dab page had ten entries, plus one see also.

Anyways, yeah, this is complicated.

Duckmather (talk) 22:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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 * Option 1: Restore Raisi as a disambiguation page. Ibrahim Raisi was not primarily known by that name, so WP:DABPARTIAL applies. --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|<b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 17:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Any further thoughts? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think option 2 is best. The late president is certainly the primary topic here and most likely was even before his death. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 12:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Option 2, even if the president doesn't hold that much power compared to the Supreme Leader, he is still the primary topic here. Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 15:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If the hatnote on top of the village article is actually correct, and there is substantial ambiguity about what a toponym of "Raisi" means in Iran, we should keep a disambiguation list. The location of the list, whether at the base name or separately, depends on whether the average English reader strongly associates the term with the person. It looks like we already have articles about Heshmat Raisi and Ahmed Naser Al-Raisi, so this word is not uncommon in anthroponymy. I'd err on the side of caution and put disambiguation at the base name, and observe traffic patterns for a few months afterwards. If we see that the preponderance of readers go for the single person, then we go for the redirect. Because of the recent death of the proposed primary topic, there's obvious WP:Recentism here. --Joy (talk) 11:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just noticed that old content of the Raisi disambiguation page lists even more people, and has for a couple of years before this recent incident. had no edit summary whatsoever and should have been reverted first. --Joy (talk) 11:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * restore the disambiguation page whatever else happens, a disambiguation page should exist, either at "Raisi" or at "Raisi (disambiguation)" -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 06:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Restore the dab page and retarget. I doubt if over time Ebrahim would be the primary topic (he';s popularv now because of his recent death). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:VN
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 6%23Wikipedia:VN

Spirituality & Health Magazine
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:02, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Spirituality & Health Magazine">Spirituality & Health Magazine → American Health (magazine) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Spirituality and Health Magazine → American Health (magazine) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Delete. No relation to target, not mentioned in target article. Spirituality & Health is a magazine published by Unity Church. -- Softlavender (talk) 03:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC); edited 05:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Bundled Spirituality and Health Magazine. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 01:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment - Spirituality and Health Magazine also exists as a redirect to the same target. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 21:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete this redirect as well, for the same reason. Softlavender (talk) 05:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Partisan movement
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Partisan. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Partisan movement → Yugoslav Partisans (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Retarget to Partisan or Partisan (military). My impression is that "Partisan movement" is a generic concept that does not imply Yugoslavia. For example, it could refer to, among others. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep but add a hatnote. Searches indicate that the current target is the clear primary topic for this term, but there should be a hatnote either to an existing dab page or a new specific one. Thryduulf (talk) 12:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Keep or retarget? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to partisan, as this is a generic term, and this is not the Balkan-topics-only Wikipedia -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget to the Partisan DAB, as it is a generic term, and the searcher could be looking for anything that's there. Fieari (talk) 23:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * They could be, but the evidence is that the majority of them aren't - see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Is there a primary topic? Also notified of this discussion at the talk pages of the creator and the current and proposed targets. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 01:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to partisan DAB; the phrase is simply too generic. "Partisan movement" could easily refer to the WW2 partisans across Europe, the current partisans in Russia/Ukraine, and any number of other conflicts. Couruu (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Once again, yes it could easily refer to many things, but the evidence is that in practice almost everybody using it is referring to one specific thing. Thryduulf (talk) 23:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * Retarget to Partisan. My searches (both on- and off-wiki) do not indicate a clear primary topic. - Eureka Lott 20:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Skymont (microarchitecture)
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 * The result of the discussion was Delete * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Skymont (microarchitecture)">Skymont (microarchitecture) → Cannon Lake (microprocessor) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Skymont → Cannon Lake (microprocessor) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Delete, deprecated, WP:CBALL, check the talk pages for the complete rationale Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 13:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  14:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete – this redirect is definitely 'obsolete' as "Skymont" now officially refers to the E-core architecture used in Lunar Lake, see sources here:, , which is completely different to the Cannon Lake processor series. The "Skymont (microarchitecture)" redirect is especially misleading, as Cannon Lake is a microprocessor series, not a microarchitecture, which are two highly different things. Though, I should mention that this redirect doesn't need to be deleted per se for someone to create an article about the Skymont E-core architecture; you can just simply overwrite the redirect with an article. — <span style="background:#1F6295;color:white;padding:1q 5q;border-radius:10q;font-family:Franklin Gothic, Verdana">AP 499D25  (talk)  09:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep and retarget to List of Intel CPU microarchitectures per anandtech and chipsandcheese establishing notability. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 13:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that would work too, but isn't it better that we delete these redirects so they are redlinks, so article creation is further encouraged? When it's a blue link, people might think there's already an article on that link. — <span style="background:#1F6295;color:white;padding:1q 5q;border-radius:10q;font-family:Franklin Gothic, Verdana">AP 499D25  (talk)  23:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Also notified of the discussion at the talk pages of the current and proposed targets. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 01:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * See also Special:WhatLinksHere/Skymont (2024 microarchitecture). Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * It's been pretty quiet here for the past 12 days, so I'm going to follow up here by stating that I still stand by my deletion vote, but I'll provide a better, simplified explanation of the reason – "Skymont" is a recycled codename. It used to refer to Subject A, but now it refers to Subject B and no longer Subject A. Pretty much all uses of this codename today now refer to the new subject and not the old subject. The reference to the old subject is considered obsolete (and has been for many, many years in fact) as the codename of Subject A was actually changed a few years after being revealed as "Skymont". Mind you that was in 2011, about 7 years before actual release of the product, so I question just how likely it even is that someone who is looking for Subject A might be typing in "Skymont". User:Visite fortuitement prolongée mentions that the Skymont (2024 microarchitecture) redlink is linked to from two articles. Well, what I reckon should happen instead, is since Subject B is clearly the primary topic now, an article of Subject B should be created at Skymont (microarchitecture) and not at that title containing "2024", and those two links should be changed to the title without '2024' in it. And then we can have a hatnote on top of the 'Skymont (microarchitecture)' page for if anyone looking for Subject A happens to land on that page. — <span style="background:#1F6295;color:white;padding:1q 5q;border-radius:10q;font-family:Franklin Gothic, Verdana">AP 499D25   (talk)  09:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * For the record i support AP 499D25's claims that
 * «Pretty much all uses of this codename today now refer to the new subject and not the old subject.»
 * «those two links [to Skymont (2024 microarchitecture)] should be changed to the title without '2024' in it.»
 * Can i ask you why you oppose retargeting the 2 pages? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What I mean is changing the "Skymont (2024 microarchitecture)" links to "Skymont (microarchitecture)", since basically the 2024 microarchitecture is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, while the previous use of the codename referring to the old processor series is discontinued since about 2011. If you mean retargeting "Skymont (microarchitecture)" to List of Intel CPU microarchitectures, that works too, since it's mentioned at the target. Except, I believe that making "Skymont (microarchitecture)" a redlink would be better so that people are more likely to create an article. what do you reckon? Should we delete, or should we retarget as User:Visite fortuitement prolongée suggested? — <span style="background:#1F6295;color:white;padding:1q 5q;border-radius:10q;font-family:Franklin Gothic, Verdana">AP 499D25   (talk)  05:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete – as the redirects are 1) deprecated 2) obsolete 3) WP:CBALL (Skymont was never the official name, I don't even understand why these articles exist in the first place) 4) Misleading now that Skymont is the official name for Lunar Lake/Arrow Lake E-cores microarchitecture. Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 09:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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