Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 30

June 30
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 30, 2024.

Red Flag (nuclear weapon)
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Retarget * Pppery * it has begun... 01:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Red Flag (nuclear weapon) → WE.177 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

There is no mention of "red flag" in the article making this redirect confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So fix the article. This originally belonged in Category:Rainbow Codes, but that was stupidly deleted. It might still be mentioned at List of Rainbow Codes. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I'd fix it if I thought it was legit, but I'm not sure I do. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Rainbow Code per Andy Dingley. Jay  💬 18:48, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Jimmy Dimly
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 01:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Jimmy Dimly → James Cleverly (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Potential disparagement of a living person UltrasonicMadness (talk) 22:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Redirects are not obliged to be neutral per WP:RNEUTRAL.-- Laun chba ller 07:40, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Redirects do not need to be neutral, but it still needs to show common use, espiecially since this is a WP:BLP case. A prominent British newspaper The Guardian uses this nickname on two occasions, but I couldn't find any other reputable sources discussing/using this nickname other than [this blog https://www.eclecticblue.org.uk/who-do-you-think-you-are-kidding-mr-sunak]. Ca talk to me!  13:40, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The nickname is part of John Crace's politics sketch in The Guardian. The linked blog also gives these sketches as the source for its use of the name. UltrasonicMadness (talk) 17:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Joyce brothers
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 * The result of the discussion was Restore * Pppery * it has begun... 01:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Joyce brothers → Joyce Brothers (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]


 * <span id="Joyce brothers (disambiguation)">Joyce brothers (disambiguation) → Joyce Brothers (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Joyce brothers was a disambiguation page, blanked and redirected by with summary "These are indeed brothers named Joyce, but I'm not seeing any evidence from sources that they are specifically referred to as "Joyce brothers"." I agree wholeheartedly with this rationale but the redirect is inappropriate: capitalisation matters (WP:DIFFCAPS). So delete this redirect and rthe associated WP:INTDAB link. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:25, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Restore disambiguation. Here is the evidence you seek. jnestorius(talk) 20:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete both. There are no incoming links to Joyce brothers.  We already have articles for James Joyce and Stanislaus Joyce.  This disambiguation page is the answer to a question nobody asked; we lose nothing by deleting it. 162 etc. (talk) 22:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * a question nobody asked the question I asked which prompted me to create the dab was in the article Irish Literary Revival which refers to "the Joyce brothers". Which Joyce brothers? Turns out it was not James and Stanislaus that was meant, but the other pair. Two pairs of brothers were involved in Irish literary life around the same time. Potential for confusion. Let's preemptively prevent readers from assuming the wrong pair. There are no incoming links it was a disambiguation page, they're not supposed to have incoming links.  jnestorius(talk) 23:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've clarified the text of the article in question. I remain convinced that this dabpage is unnecessary. 162 etc. (talk) 23:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Restore based on the sources provided by Jnestorius. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Kid Rock/Grits Sandwiches for Breakfast
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Kid Rock/Grits Sandwiches for Breakfast">Kid Rock/Grits Sandwiches for Breakfast → Grits Sandwiches for Breakfast (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

This redirect is unnecessary. No other Kid Rock album has a redirect like this and it lists Grits Sandwiches for Breakfast unusually high in the results when searching for "Kid Rock" using MediaWiki's current search system. UltrasonicMadness (talk) 13:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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Voi.id
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