Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7

June 7
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 7, 2024.

Various old redirects by Ecksemmess
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Margrit Emily Mary Hyra → Meg Ryan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Margrit Emily Hyra → Meg Ryan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Margrit Mary Hyra → Meg Ryan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Margrit Hyra → Meg Ryan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Margrit Mary Emily Hyra → Meg Ryan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Wacker → The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Wind Wacker → The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Mortal Kimbat → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Game Goy → Game Boy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Nintondo → Nintendo (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Saga Maga Drive → Sega Genesis (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Baricuda Networkses → Barracuda Networks (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Baricuda+Networkses → Barracuda Networks (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

The user creating the redirects seemed to just make implausible typos for the fun of it. mwwv  converse ∫ edits  19:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the WP:TRAINWRECK ZONE!The following redirects do not satisfy WP:RTYPO and thus should be Deleted:
 * Baricuda Networkses
 * Baricuda+Networkses
 * Saga Maga Drive
 * The following redirects I will abstain on, as I'm not sure if they count as satisfying WP:RTYPO:
 * All the Meg Ryan redirects
 * Everything else satisfies the plausibility test of WP:RTYPO (being, they have a maximum of one letter incorrect) and should be Kept:
 * The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Wacker
 * Wind Wacker
 * Mortal Kimbat
 * Game Goy
 * Nintondo
 * Because of the sheer number of redirects here though, and how they vary in if they should be kept or deleted, I ultimately feel that this RfD is destined to be procedurally closed as per WP:TRAINWRECK. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Unsuspecting Slightly-experienced Editor Receives DEVASTATING OBSCURE TERMINOLOGY: What Happens Next is SHOCKING! mwwv  converse ∫ edits  20:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I... I'm sorry...? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Don't take it too seriously was just trying to be funny 🥲 mwwv  converse ∫ edits  20:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ohhh, okay. No, it's alright ^^ 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * WP:TNT. If anyone wants these redirects to exist, they can recreate them. Steel1943  (talk) 17:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all, implausible typos, borderline vandalism., RTYPO isn't any sort of guideline, and as far as I can tell, isn't even a necessarily widely-shared view. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * At least delete Baricuda Networkses, Baricuda+Networkses, and Saga Maga Drive as implausible typos/joke redirects. (Networkses? Really?) Schützenpanzer   (Talk)  16:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete and DAFTify all per nom. Cos (X + Z) 21:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * delete all as implausible typos, give or take o and i being close enough to justify "mortal kimbat" sometimes  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 19:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete all as implausible typos at best -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Shivani Pawar ( Indian Wrestler )
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Shivani Pawar ( Indian Wrestler ) → Shivani Pawar (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Error in disambiguation (WP:RDAB). See, for example, Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 2. SilverLocust 💬 19:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * keep harmless and gets occasional use. Thryduulf (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 12:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 22:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Malformed. The chances of a reader putting random spaces in a disambiguator is low and the page views probably come from the Wikipedia's search autocomplete feature. Ca talk to me!  14:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB due to the improper spacing. Steel1943  (talk) 20:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB and as an implausible search term. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 06:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Simone (singer)
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . Further discussion on content in the disambiguation page can take place on its talk page. (non-admin closure)  Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  22:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Simone (singer) → Simone Egeriis (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Dabify together with: Simone Mendes, Simone Simons, Simone Bittencourt de Oliveira, Simone (actress), Simone Battle, Simone Borrelli, Simone Cerdan, Simone Cristicchi, Simone Philip Kamel, Simone Kleinsma, Simone de Oliveira, Simone Drexel, Simone Hines, Simone Stacey, Simone Stelzer, Simone Tomassini, and Simone White. The template became too big. Or retarget to Simone (given name). LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 19:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm...not sure on this one. On the one hand, retargeting to the existing DAB page seems like an easy solution and wouldn't be a surprising target. On the other, at least a few of these singers are known mononymously as "Simone," including the current target. Maybe create a new DAB page but only for those known mononymously? I'm just not sure if that would be too arbitrarily restrictive for a DAB page. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Eureka Lott's draft DAB. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 03:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate, but only for singers known WP:MONONYMously as Simone. Pageviews don't indicate a clear primary topic. Disambiguation page drafted below the redirect. Are there other people who should be listed there? - Eureka Lott 21:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think you listed the reasonable ones. Though now Simone Mendes is known binymously, she was part of Simone & Simaria, which means formerly mononymously. I think Simone (actress) (Lisa Simone) could be included, right? LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 23:42, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambig per EurekaLott. Thryduulf (talk) 12:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambig per EurekaLott. Cos (X + Z) 22:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Partisan movement
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 14%23Partisan movement

Aeia
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Aeia → Aria (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Implausible typo. Aeia isn't mentioned in disambig page nor Aria. <span style="color:#f80;font-family:'Cascadia Code',monospace">mwwv  converse ∫ edits  15:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:XY typo with Asia and Adia. Delete. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  00:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd be more likely to associate this typo with Aiea. The search engine would show this, let's use that (Delete). --Joy (talk) 08:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, per above - Aeia is a likely typo, but it's impossible to tell what was intended BugGhost 🪲👻 12:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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P♯
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 17%23P♯

Pelican Island (Western Australia) (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Pelican Island (Western Australia) (disambiguation)">Pelican Island (Western Australia) (disambiguation) → Pelican Island (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

There is only one article about a Penguin Island in Western Australia, Pelican Island (Kimberley coast), so delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There are others but they may not be notable.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Jog Road
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Jog Road → Florida State Road 845 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Jog Road is not part of SR 845 and should not redirect there. Jog Road is a local road and not part of the state highway system, according to the official FDOT highway map for Palm Beach County. – Dream out loud (talk) 13:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * This move was done to revert a page move by a LTA here. Supporting delete and it probably should have been speedily deleted at the time. – The Grid  ( talk )  13:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Discrimination against women
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Misogyny. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Discrimination against women → Sexism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Shouldn't it point to misogyny where it initially was? LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 06:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Can someone build an article for this based on discrimination against men? LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 06:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly certain they did; it's misogyny. Retarget. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Misogyny. Misogyny is the dislike of women, so it only makes sense. <span style="color:#f80;font-family:'Cascadia Code',monospace">mwwv  converse ∫ edits  15:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think Misogyny is probably a better target, but it's not a perfect match. Misogyny is the hatred of women, not necessarily discrimination against them. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  00:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Misogyny as seems a more specific target. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 12:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Misogyny as better target -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Office Shūji Abe
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Office Shūji Abe">Office Shūji Abe → Shūji Abe (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Office Shuji Abe → Shūji Abe (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

"Shuji Abe Office" appears to be a thing, but I can find no reference to it anywhere as "Office Shuji Abe". Unlikely error. Rusalkii (talk) 21:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Bundling with the other similar redirect. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Likewise Office Shūji Abe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusalkii (talk • contribs) 21:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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GWR network
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 17%23GWR network

Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven.
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 * The result of the discussion was No consensus on whether to delete or refine, and clearly heading away from a consensus to delete, so closing as refine.  * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...  03:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven.">Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven. → Andrew Jackson (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

There are numerous variations of what the subject apparently said on his death bed, with only some close to this topic title. That said, I can't see how two full sentences would ever be a useful search term and it isn't even the one used in the subject's article. I'd question it even if the quote was closer to what is most commonly reported. Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. As OP explains, it's a highly improbable search term. I'll add that nothing in article space links to it. Hydrangeans (she/her &#124; talk &#124; edits) 17:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Agreed with the rationale presented by Bungle and Hydrangeans. -- A Rose Wolf  17:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. An article on this topic is clearly a problem in multiple ways.
 * With respect to where the sense of the quote probably came from:
 * The most authoritative secondary source is Remini. His in-depth three volume biography as saying: Where is my daughter and Marion, God will take care of you for me. I am my God’s. I belong to him, I go but a short time before you, and I want to meet you all in heaven, both white and black. Then a bit later...What is the matter with my Dear children, have I alarmed your Oh, do not cry—be good children and we will all meet in heaven.
 * Remini's primary source is a letter written by Andrew Jackson Jr. to Alfred Nicholsen, which was written 9 days after Andrew Jackson, Sr.'s death. A version of this letter is available in JSTOR from the 1947 Tennessee Historical Quarterly.
 * An early alternative is from Jackson's first biographer, Parton, who published his work in 1860, 15 years after Jackson's death. He quotes Hannah Jackson as stating: Be good children, and we will all meet in heaven. Wtfiv (talk) 22:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Delete or refine? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Refine to § "Later life and death (1837–1845)". I'm a bit confused by the rationales here. This is a verifiable variant of a quote that is mentioned in the article. What's implausible about that? Someone could recall the quote, start typing it in, and be led to this article either by search suggestions or results either on-wiki or on an external search engine. However, since the phrase won't come up if typed literatim into, this should be refined to the relevant section. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe) 17:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd have been more inclined to think it could be worth retaining if it were just Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven, as that phrase would at least form part of the one up for discussion, as well as with any slight variations. I'd have thought any rationale to keep or retain may at least suggest refining the phrase of the title itself to expand variations of searching, perhaps. Even if we don't keep it, it would not mean that results to the individual would not appear, in any case, on or off wiki. Bungle (talk • contribs) 18:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * Refine per Tamzin. There may be several variations, but this exact quote comes up in many websites - quotefancy, azquotes, quotescosmos, tvtropes, goodreads. Jay  💬 18:21, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Refine. I am convinced by the above rationales. A mention of this variant could be added. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  07:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Refine. I'm convinced by Tamzin's argument. Thryduulf (talk) 09:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Redirects misusing the sharp symbol
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  08:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="♯YesAllWomen">♯YesAllWomen → YesAllWomen (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * <span id="ELV1S: 30 ♯1 Hits">ELV1S: 30 ♯1 Hits → ELV1S: 30 No. 1 Hits (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * <span id="F♯*@bois">F♯*@bois → Fuccbois (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * <span id="$♯*! My Dad Says">$♯*! My Dad Says → $h*! My Dad Says (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * <span id="♯41">♯41 → 41 (song) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

These redirects use the Sharp symbol from Unicode to stand for the WP:FORBIDDEN character #. Not only is this semantically wrong, but it also doesn't help with search results because the two characters are not considered equivalent. Delete the above per WP:RFD. If people think such redirects are needed, they can be recreated using the fullwidth ＃ instead. This is common practice as can be seen if one types the regular # in the search box and actually does what it's supposed to. Nickps (talk) 18:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. Using the sharp symbol is at least exactly as plausible as using the full-width symbol. Thryduulf (talk) 18:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's really not. Fullwidth # is a different glyph of the same symbol; sharp is an entirely different symbol that happens to look sort of similar.  Search algorithms, even Wikipedia's, understand that: if you search for #41, for example, ♯41 doesn't appear in either the suggestions or the results; but if you search for, say, #MeToo, ＃MeToo shows up as expected in the suggestions.  (It doesn't appear in the results because its redirect target does; I can't immediately find a redirect containing full-width # that doesn't point at a target that wouldn't also appear without the symbol.)  It's like using ß and β and B interchangeably. —Cryptic 19:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As Cryptic said, it's not. Not only does the fullwidth ＃ have the same semantic meaning as the regular ASCII # but the two characters are Unicode equivalent under NFKC and NFKD. This is not the case for the sharp symbol which normalizes to itself. This is why ＃ and ﹟ are basically interchangeable with # for searching but ♯, ⋕ and ⌗ are not. Nickps (talk) 19:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's plausible for people who are familiar with all the technical details (and I'm not saying using fullwidth is implausible, it isn't) but when you have someone who is just searching for a symbol that looks about the same they are equally likely to choose ♯ as ＃. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no easy way to type ♯ on a keyboard. Searching for wide # only requires typing a regular # AFAIK. Викидим (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is correct. You don't have to search for ＃.  Searching for plain old easy-to-type shifted 3 (US) or unshifted tilde (UK) # finds redirects with the wide ＃ in their titles, just as if it weren't a forbidden character.  It doesn't find titles with ♯.  There's no expectation anyone would link to, much less actually type, either sort of redirect, but the fullwidth ones help searching and the sharp ones do not. —Cryptic 23:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Nobody is arguing that the fullwidth titles don't help - they do. I'm arguing that the sharp symbol is also useful - it is widely available in character maps and other places to copy and paste from. Thryduulf (talk) 01:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, one can copy-and-paste the strange symbol (like I did) - but what could be the real-life purpose of doing it while searching for an easily available on the keyboard symbol #? Викидим (talk) 19:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Because they know # doesn't work, they know the sharp symbol exists and looks similar but don't know full-width symbols exist (this would be very common for many, probably most, musicians who are not familiar with east-Asian scripts and/or unicode) or they are copying from someone who used the sharp symbol for this or some other reason. Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. Redirects from titles with un-typeable characters make no sense, as no one would search for such strange glyphs. --Викидим (talk) 22:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I created the third title listed, and as a rule don't !vote on my own creations, but I will say that in general, the fact that MediaWiki can't handle # in titles is very counterintuitive to readers, and my position is that we should accommodate any plausible workaround that a reader might try. Redirects are cheap and there's no reason to make this particular impediment to navigation slightly more inconvenient. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe) 04:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - I agree with Tazmin and don't see any benefit from deleting these. Rlendog (talk) 17:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf, Tamzin, and Rlendog. The classic Qwerty keyboard isn't the only keyboard we need to worry about-- while it's hard (I wouldn't say impossible, but hard) to type the Sharp symbol on a standard Qwerty keyboard hooked up to a desktop or laptop computer, it could be far easier on mobile devices-- just like it's far easier to type diacritics or emoji on mobile compared to desktop.As for "semantically wrong", I wouldn't say so-- the Sharp sign and Pound sign look the exact same, with the only difference in the font I'm using right now being that the Pound sign is tilted horizontally while the Sharp sign is tilted vertically. There are almost certainly fonts in use where they look even *more* identical. For even more proof of people conflating the two symbols, see C Sharp (programming language)-- the language's name when said aloud is invariably pronounced "C Sharp", but when typed out, it invariably is typed "C#", treating # and ♯ interchangeably. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Just FYI, typing emojis on Windows 10/11 is basically trivial. Now, C# is a bit of a special case because the name is specified by its ECMA standard to use a number sign, but at the same time, the number sign represents a sharp accidental. So, C# deliberately uses one symbol to stand in for the other. This is also why C♯ (programming language) exists. Using # to represent ♯ makes sense because, historically, people had a difficult time dealing with characters outside of ASCII and even today, the sharp and other Unicode characters like it are difficult to type. Going the other way around, however, doesn't feel justified the same way. Nickps (talk) 18:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ...While I don't currently have access to the emoji/symbol picker in Windows 11, in Windows 10 it does allow you to have access to a number of non-emoji symbols, too-- unfortunately, Sharp is not on that list, at least, not by default. If someone could check Windows 11, that'd be swell 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment The R from hashtag template does not recognise the sharp as a replacement for the number sign (see ) which is why I commented that template out on ♯YesAllWomen. If the RfD closes as keep, the Rcat will need to be updated. Nickps (talk) 13:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per User:Tamzin. Redirects are cheap, and it makes sense to go out of our way to help readers get around the problem with the # symbol. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 17:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Leaning delete as to all, as I can see these confusing readers into incorrect uses of the actual # symbol. BD2412  T 18:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CHEAP, potentially useful to someone getting around the forbidden character. Harmless and unambiguous. If the template needs to be updated, then we should do so. Fieari (talk) 04:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep all. Since the sharp symbol character does not have the same technical restrictions in titles and functionality on Wikipedia as the hash symbol (#), if an editor takes the effort to find a way to type the sharp symbol character and use it to locate an article title, then we should reward them with the article they are attempting to locate. Steel1943  (talk) 13:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep all as this is a reasonable technical workaround and these do not cause any harm. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 00:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep all normally I think this is an unlikely character replacement but given the technical issues with HTML and wiki markup then I'll give them a pass. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep all – it's a plausible enough workaround to get around |ELV1S:_30_%E2%99%AF1_Hits|F%E2%99%AF*@bois|$%E2%99%AF*!_My_Dad_Says|%E2%99%AF41 a view or two per month for most of these, with $♯*! My Dad Says being notably higher in views than the rest at 21 views a day. That last one is primarily through wikilinks (90% per wikinav), but none of the others have any wikilinks in mainspace. Given this data, I don't think the primary concern of whether these are likely to be searched is a concern at all, and I see no good reason for deletion past that. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  22:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to --. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 14:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * undefined → Keturi Brūkšniai (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Per --, another possible target is Horizontal rule. Is this really the primary topic? * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. If I get time, I'll have to review my edits around this time as I don't remember why I created this. Steel1943  (talk) 23:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see why I created this now: Apparently, I saw the dashes in the article and created the redirect. I have no opinion on the fate of this redirect. Steel1943  (talk) 00:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment It's almost impossible to get useful search results for this, but I'd be surprised if either topic were primary. Maybe expanding the -- dab page to cover sequences of three and four hyphens too would work? Thryduulf (talk) 01:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to HTML element Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But that would be very confusing to someone searching, hyphens (of any number) are not mentioned there so there is no obvious connection with the search term. Thryduulf (talk) 12:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to -- and expand the dab page per Thryduulf. Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 23:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to -- per Thryduulf, no clear primary topic. Toadspike   [Talk]  17:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget to -- dab page per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hirzayi
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hirzayi → Hirzai (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Recent implausible misnomer (I get zero Google search results for "hirzayi"). Move redirect created because of a recent reverted move by confirmed sock of blocked user. The article was at this title for 1 hour and 20 minutes on 3 June, and the title did not previously exist as a redirect (see lack of entries on the deletion log). (Speedy deletion declined when I tagged it as G5, R3 with an explanation similar to the above.) SilverLocust 💬 06:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Cmt. I chose not to suppress creation of a redirect when restoring Hirzai to its previous title after the sock move because it's a plausible transliteration of حرزایی. That said, I really don't care if this is kept or no. All this is kind of a waste of everyone's time, isn't it? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I am of the view that redirects shouldn't exist merely because a very persistent banned user keeps trying to respell things. If there is evidence of anyone using this spelling before, then I would be happy to leave it. SilverLocust 💬 11:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll also add that this is covered by G3 ("redirects created by cleanup from page-move vandalism"). While the move may have seemed in good faith when you reverted it (i.e., before this sock was blocked), it certainly falls within the vandalism policy. Evading blocks (WP:Vandalism) by using over 100 confirmed sockpuppets to move pages to "disruptive, irrelevant, or otherwise inappropriate names" (WP:Vandalism) while asserting blatantly false information (WP:Vandalism) like that hirzayi is the "More common spelling" when in reality there is no trace of it actually being used (and heaps of examples of hirzai being used). SilverLocust 💬 12:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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The social brain hypothesis
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  06:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The social brain hypothesis → Dunbar's number (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Unnecessary unlinked redirect with "the" (we have social brain hypothesis which I recently retargeted to a better article, and this one should just be deleted) <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Ford Pinto Pangra
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Pangra.  ✗  plicit  02:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Ford Pinto Pangra → Ford Pinto (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

No associated content at the target article. The Pinto Pangra was a low-production dealer conversion and not notable. Sable232 (talk) 00:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Pangra, the article about the automobile. Sources cited in the article refer to it as the Ford Pinto Pangra. - Eureka Lott 00:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, that's embarrassing. I saw the little bit that used to be at the target article and didn't expect anything would've come of it. Seems I was wrong and should have checked; so, I agree, retarget instead. --Sable232 (talk) 21:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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