Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11

March 11
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 11, 2024.

GTA7
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 06:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * GTA7 → Grand Theft Auto (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Un-needed redirect from a unreleased title. Geardona (talk to me?) 04:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. Incredibly premature WP:CRYSTAL. Steel1943  (talk) 15:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

县
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 20%23县

List of arunachal pradesh cricketer
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 19%23List of arunachal pradesh cricketer

Osborn Corners, Ohio
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 18%23Osborn Corners, Ohio

Tenemos
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 18%23Tenemos

Matthew (Fire Emblem)
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  13:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Matthew (Fire Emblem) → Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 18:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. No information to be found. This was a stub that was BLARd by in 2006. It had no sources and no sufficient content. Needn't be restored.  Jay  💬 05:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Deir el-Balah bombing
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 19%23Deir el-Balah bombing

Wikipedia:COURT
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 28%23Wikipedia:COURT

A Hovannessian
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 15:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * A Hovannessian → Raw foodism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This title is short for Arshavir Ter Hovannessian (Artehov), a non-notable raw food writer. He is not mentioned in the target article, and elsewhere he is only referenced at Morris Krok. of the page is thoroughly promotional and possibly fringe, so deletion is the only reasonable option. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 15:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nomnomnom 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Glazed ham
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 * The result of the discussion was Retarget to List of hams * Pppery * it has begun... 16:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Glazed ham → Gammon (meat) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article. Looks as though the term was formerly in the article, but is no longer there. Steel1943 (talk) 23:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting for further input. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk!</b> 10:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * We really should have content about this somewhere, but Gammon is not that place. Glaze (cooking technique) is probably better (is the best, I'd don't know) but all what's there currently is not really enough. List of hams is another obvious place on the surface but there are multiple different types of glazed ham (e.g. Christmas ham and the honey-glazed ham mentioned at List of hams) and the structure of that article wouldn't work to anchor this redirect (it also links to this redirect expecting the encyclopaedic content about it to be elsewhere). The edit summary when it was removed from the Gammon article implied that it was being moved to the Ham article, but I can't find that it ever was, and there isn't anything useful there now. Maybe the text about glazed ham in this revision can be merged somewhere? I'll see if there is a relevant WikiProject I can ping about this. Thryduulf (talk) 00:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:REDLINK. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 01:27, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything in REDLINK that recommends deleting an existing redirect. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * When referenced at RfD, a reference to WP:REDLINK almost always means "delete this redirect to encourage the creation of an article, because there isn't anywhere that would make a good target for a redirect." Thryduulf (talk) 03:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It's "not mentioned in the target article" only because an IP blanked half the article a few years ago. That (sourced) material could be restored by anyone, including the nom.  Steel1943, I don't know if you ever noticed before (Nobody reads the directions), but the line in WP:RFD about deleting redirects that aren't mentioned is exclusively for "novel or very obscure synonyms".  Ordinary words that have been in use for at least two centuries can't be described as "novel", and an iconic holiday dish isn't ever going to be "very obscure".  I think we should keep this.  The only remaining question is whether to repoint it or to turn it into a separate article.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "The only remaining question is whether to repoint it or to turn it into a separate article." Sounds like a "delete per WP:REDLINK" rationale to me unless a retargeting option is found. It may be worth investigating to see if the article could be restored to a state where the redirect is mentioned, which would also fix the issue for which I nominated the redirect. Steel1943  (talk) 19:22, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, are you referring to this edit where an IP blanked the "glazed" mention? (I'm playing a guessing game there since you did not provide a diff.) If so, I'm not sure that restoring that content would validate the existence of this redirect since the subject mentioned there is both "glazed gammon" and "glazed ham", given that there seems to be a few notes around Wikipedia, specifically on Ham, that attempt to differentiate "gammon" from "ham", meaning restoring the content and then attempting to validate this redirect as a R from incorrect name may be misleading. Steel1943  (talk) 19:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per WhatamIdoing. Orchastrattor (talk) 03:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 05:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Final relist. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NotAGenious (talk) 14:45, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep or retarget: to either List of hams or Glaze (cooking technique) as they make more sense as targets.  Nobody  ( talk ) 13:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The IP had wanted to move the removed content into Ham but didn't have access, so left the content at its talk page for other editors to pick up. See Talk:Ham. I have notified of this discussion at the talk page of Ham. Jay  💬 10:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to List of hams, where topic is mentioned. Glazed hams are definitely out there. I feel like this is more appropriate than current target.  ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  17:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget for now to List of hams, or to List of hams per Nobody and El cid, if its not US exclusive. Jay  💬 14:58, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Job (economics)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 20%23Job (economics)

Cinebooks
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 19%23Cinebooks

Midnight Miracle
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 19%23Midnight Miracle

~( 8^(I)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 18%23~( 8^(I)

O3o
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 05:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * O3o → List of emoticons (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Speaking of which, this one is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia for that matter. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:45, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * weak delete. wikt:o3o exists, and is displayed in search results, but that's the only meaningful content on any Wikimedia wiki. I don't think it's used enough (only 10 hits between January 2023 and the start of this RfD) to justify a soft redirect, but I'm not going argue against anyone who thinks it does. Thryduulf (talk) 13:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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XD (Emoticon)
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 * The result of the discussion was target both to List of emoticons  .  Jay  💬 05:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="XD (Emoticon)">XD (Emoticon) → Emoticon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="XD (emoticon)">XD (emoticon) → List of emoticons (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These two should have the same target, presumably. On this particular subject, both Emoticon and List of emoticons have a precedent of "random" incoming "emoticon" redirects, such as =) and O.o going one way, and ;-; and O3o going another, with the former article having far more incoming than the latter. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:38, 11 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Retarget to List of emoticons per nom — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Retarget to List of emoticons per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 13:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of emoticons per nom. Straightforward enough. 17:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by El cid, el campeador (talk • contribs)
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Notre Dame de Miséricorde
<span id="Notre Dame de Miséricorde"> <span id="Notre-Dame-de-Miséricorde"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 19%23Notre Dame de Miséricorde

Gelovani (disambiguation)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 18%23Gelovani (disambiguation)

≙
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Equals sign. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="≙">≙ → Binary relation (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete: Unicode symbol that does not appears in any WP article (including the current target) D.Lazard (talk) 10:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Delete or retarget? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 04:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment this is actually mentioned in several places, but it isn't showing up in search for some reason, e.g. Mathematical Operators (Unicode block), Glossary of mathematical symbols (although like many symbols on that article it is only used as an image for some reason), Equals sign and List of mathematical symbols by subject (the latter includes it at both "bijection" and "equal to by definition", but I think the first is an error). Searching the internet though there appear to be at least three different definitions. The unicode character is "U+2259 ESTIMATES", which is backed up by and the second post at, the first post there states that . de:≙ is a redirect to de:Gleichheitszeichen ("Equal sign#The equal sign and its variations") where it is defined as "Das Entspricht-Zeichen" ("Corresponds sign") but its definition in the unicode table translates via Google as "right by definition" (i.e. "is defined as"). The redirect here originally targetted Correspondence, which is now a section of a dab page but might at the time have pointed to binary relation. The "defined" meaning is also given at . To me this suggests we should have an article about the character giving all the competing meanings, but more reliable sources than those I found in 2 minutes would be needed and maths is really not my strong suit. I'll ping the Mathematics wikiproject about this. Thryduulf (talk) 12:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this search. However, there is a confusion between this symbol (U+2259 ESTIMATES) and the symbol U+225C (DELTA EQUAL TO). The symbol under discussion is not mentioned at all in Glossary of mathematical symbols and in Equals sign. In Mathematical Operators (Unicode block), the only provided information is its Unicode name (ESTIMATES) and a link to the redirect under discussion. In List of mathematical symbols by subject, the provided information is a link to bijection where the symbol is not mentioned. In short, only the existence of the symbol appears in English Wikipedia, without any information on its usage and its meaning.
 * From the second external link and the link to German WP, it seems that this symbol is used only in German elementary schools. The first external link seems not really reliable. The third external link is about U+225C (DELTA EQUAL TO), not about the link discussed here. D.Lazard (talk) 16:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @D.Lazard – Apparently this is used in statistics. A search turns up stack exchange "What is the symbol ≙ ..." where a commenter explains, "The hat above the equals sign is an estimator. Originaly estimators are used on terms. For example $\hat\theta(X)$. But it has appeared (sometimes) more convenient to use it with an equals sign, especially in statistics. [...] $x \mathrel\hat= \ldots$ then reads '$x$ estimates ...'." Another page that turns up has people discussing whether to use $$\hat=,$$ $$\widehat=,$$ or $$\stackrel{\scriptscriptstyle\wedge}{=}$$ for this in LaTeX. –jacobolus (t) 15:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:REDLINK, due to Thryduulf's findings. This needs to be its own article, not a redirect. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Equals sign as per jacobolus, Gonnym, Thryduulf, et al., who are correct in that the information we need is already here on the wiki. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect to . The triangle or delta equals symbol, Latex "triangleq" which renders as $$\triangleq,$$ is clearly a (somewhat) common symbol, as are the symbols $$:=$$ and $$\stackrel{\text{def}}{=}$$ which mean the same. However, I have never seen this equals sign with a circumflex accent on it, or several of the other entries at . In my opinion at least all of ≌, ≖, ≗, ≘, ≙, ≚, ≛, ≞, ≟ should redirect to that section, and their possible meaning(s) can be discussed there. –jacobolus (t) 19:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don’t think a redirect is appropriate here. - Dyork (talk) 02:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - No redirect. PatrickR2 (talk) 03:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Equals sign. There is no reason to remove valid redirects. Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Equals sign per jacobolus and Gonnym, this seems to be the most helpful for readers. Thryduulf (talk) 11:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Equals sign as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to Equals sign per above —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to  (repeating my recommendation above). I don't see any harm in redirecting these symbols. A permanent red link for this obscure symbol doesn't help anyone, and someone typing this into a wikipedia search box could plausibly (mildly) benefit from seeing that it is unicode symbol with such-and-such code point. For comparison, the other symbols ≌, ≖, ≗, ≘, ≚, ≛, ≞ all redirect to this section. ≟ redirects to . ≜, ≔, and ≕ all redirect to . ⊜ redirects to Equality (mathematics) (arguably a poor target since the symbol is not described there). ⪮, ⩦, ⩮ are red links. –jacobolus (t) 18:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Struck duplicate !vote, since you also voted above. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:43, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

LGBT reproduction
<span id="LGBTQ+ Production of Family"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 19%23LGBT reproduction