Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 17

March 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 17, 2024.

The Sultanates of Lanao: Guardians of Moro Identity and Independence
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  00:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The Sultanates of Lanao: Guardians of Moro Identity and Independence → Confederate States of Lanao (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Guardians of Moro Identity and Independence" not remotely mentioned at the target page. This page was essentially a promotional essay with broken citations and copyvio problems that didn't last 10 minutes before getting tagged and later becoming a redirect by. I don't think there's anything salvageable in the history here, and as a redirect title it does not appear to be likely or suitable besides that. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom, just a colourful phrase. Noting administratively that the links at Article Alerts and the redirect page link to the 2024 March 18 rather than here. CMD (talk) 09:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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Between Greetings
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 26%23Between Greetings

Revolutionary Spain
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Spanish Revolution.  Complex / Rational  23:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Revolutionary Spain → Spanish Revolution of 1936 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There are many different Spanish Revolutions described at Spanish Revolution; the term "Revolutionary Spain" only appears once outside of the citations, so it's unclear whether this particular term is associated with just the 1936 revolution, or if it is more generalized. Spain could have been described as in a "revolutionary state" during any of its revolutions. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 04:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not quite familiar with y'all's terminology ("retarget per nom") but I'm okay with redirecting it to the Spanish Revolution disambiguation page instead, makes more sense. AethyrX (talk) 18:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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Merger Regulation 2004
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 26%23Merger Regulation 2004

Oz lab
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:40, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oz lab → Australian labour law (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Oz labour → Australian labour law (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The Australian labour law is never referred to as "oz labour" or "oz lab" at the target page. It's unlikely to be searched for using this highly-offhand term. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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MT25i
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 24%23MT25i

%d
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  .  Jay  💬 08:18, 29 March 2024 (UTC)


 * %d → printf (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

%d is a format string specifier that is used by both printf and scanf. While copying %s is what I believe we should do, it has been pointed out in the talk page that we may want to include more targets in the dab page than just these two. Nickps (talk) 22:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate in the same fashion as %s ... since two possible targets is greater than none, meaning deletion of the redirect probably is not the solution here. Steel1943  (talk) 00:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambig per Steel1943. Thryduulf (talk) 04:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Dabify per Steel1943. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment format string also redirects to printf even though the term could refer to scanf format strings too. Should it also be included in the RfD? Nickps (talk) 13:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest nominating that separately if you think the current target is incorrect given how different the two strings are. Thryduulf (talk) 13:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll get onto it. Nickps (talk) 13:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. Nickps (talk) 13:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:REVERT
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 27%23Wikipedia:REVERT

Nhà Bè River
 Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 27%23Nhà Bè River

F angels
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 13:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)


 * F angels → Friedrich Engels (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

As far as I can tell, Engels isn't referred to this way anywhere and certainly not in the article. Google search gives a smattering of minor companies, social media accounts, and mistyped biblical references. Rusalkii (talk) 20:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, upon further consideration, this should be deleted per Rusalkii's search and the complete lack of this redirect ever being used really. If I may ask @Rusalkii, how did you find this redirect and decide to nominate it for deletion in the first place? Iljhgtn (talk) 20:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm revewing new(ish) redirects. Rusalkii  (talk) 20:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I was asking because this one was not that new, but I understand you said "new-ish"... the backlog is extremely deep right now from what I understand. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yep, we're three months deep in redirects, just got to November 17th. Rusalkii  (talk) 00:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Is there a way that i could help with that? Or do I need new page patrol permission? I do not want that, i just would like to help with redirects. There should be a permission for just helping with redirects. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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Battle of Sangrana
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 * The result of the discussion was restore  without prejudice to renomination at AfD.  Complex / Rational  23:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Battle of Sangrana → Battle of Amritsar (1634) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This event was the casus belli for the Battle of Amritsar. A relatively minor incident, with seemingly minimal casualties, does not need an entire Wikipedia article. We're better off including this article's content as the prelude for the events of the Battle of Amritsar. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 20:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Is this a misdirected WP:AFD? This isn't currently an article, just a redirect. The article doesn't currently mention Sangrana, but if it was in fact a prelude to the Battle of Amrisar then a redirect to the section describing the battle of Sangrana within the Battle of Amritsar seems exactly correct. Rusalkii  (talk) 20:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: this was an article until earlier today, when it was WP:BLARed by the nominator, who then brought it here. That appears to have been a misguided action based on a misunderstanding of a suggestion at Articles for deletion/Battle of Sangrana. - Eureka Lott 01:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Restore without prejudice to an AfD or merge discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 04:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Restore per Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Restore as per Eureka, Thryduulf, and Presidentman. This isn't AfD. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:YESTRUTH
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * YESTRUTH → User:Sennalen/Prefer truth (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target essay was userfied due to being contrary to consensus. It hence does not deserve a projectspace shortcut. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 19:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

InTheAstronomy32 (talk) 20:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, some essays in userspace may have shortcuts in the Wikipedia space. Take WP:THREE as an example, it is in Wikipedia space, but leads to the userspace of User:RoySmith.
 * The distinction there is between essays that (mostly) follow the standard consensus like that one (which I'm actually surprised isn't at Three best sources) versus essays that were almost deleted at MfD because they openly defy it. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 21:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. Some essays in userspace do have WP space shortcuts, but most don't. It all depends on whether there is consensus that a given essay should have one, and that's based on the essay's individual merits. In this case, I see an essay that far from having broad community support has exactly the opposite. WP shortcuts is sometimes OK for essays that have both broad support and opposition, but not ones that have near unanimous opposition. Thryduulf (talk) 02:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete WP shortcuts for acclaimed user pages such as WP:OWB are welcome but shortcuts for pages that are not accepted by the community should be removed to avoid the impression that the page has community endorsement. Johnuniq (talk) 05:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
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Sex reassignment therapies
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  per SNOW. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Sex reassignment therapies → Transgender health care (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The term was already outdated and was replaced by gender-affirming care - there are no links left to this, so it can be deleted. Raladic (talk) 17:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. People need to stop nominating redirects for deletion because they're "outdated". Not only is this still a common term, but even if it was no longer used, it should still be kept for its historical use. Kk.urban (talk) 18:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * As I said in the nomination - this redirect is unused. There is no purpose in keeping it around as that means someone may use it again in another article instead of using the correct new WP:COMMONNAME. Raladic (talk) 20:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Internal links are not the only purpose for redirects. Someone may very well search this term from outside Wikipedia, or there may be external links. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Though in that case then, we should at least tag this redirect with R from non-neutral name to discourage internal use. Raladic (talk) 00:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Kk.urban. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 19:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Kk.urban. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Kk.urban. This is literally the sort of thing a redirect is for-- if someone searches for a term that's out of use, and gets redirected to a better term, that's not a bug, that's a feature. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Kk.urban and Lunamann. Thryduulf (talk) 04:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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November 9 1989
<span id="November 9, 1989"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 27%23November 9 1989

Gros Michel foreign names
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep (Nomination withdrawn).   𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thihmwe → Gros Michel banana (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Kluai hom thong → Gros Michel banana (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pisang Embung → Gros Michel banana (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While all three of these names show up in the article, the article makes it clear that these are foreign names for the banana cultivar. All three redirects were also made on the same day by the same editor, and I'm bundling them here for the same reason-- WP:RLANG-- with the same recommendation for each-- deletion. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep They do not fit the criteria for deletion by WP:RLANG. They are not direct translations, not ambiguous, nor common words or concepts, but proper names (as in literally used in local scientific terminology and literature, e.g. which uses 'Pisang Embung' instead of 'Gros Michel'). These are the names, in common use, by which this specific cultivar is known in these countries. In a lot of instances, especially when it comes to common names for plants and animals, the foreign common name is the one far more in use than the English common name (if it even has one). Especially for plants and animals that are not native to English-speaking countries. --  OBSIDIAN  †  SOUL  07:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep, not an arbitrary translation & mentioned in the article. These were the names used by some of the people actually cultivating these. Rusalkii  (talk) 18:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ...Yeah, fair enough. Hope it's not too early to withdraw. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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Eastman Village
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 29%23Eastman Village

Western era
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 27%23Western era

Kansas City shooting
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 24%23Kansas City shooting