Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 3

March 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 3, 2024.

Not real
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Not real → Fiction (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Can be used in many contexts, and the current target never says "not real" at any point. Unreality disambiguation discusses several options which are infinitely more suitable from my perspective, i.e. derealization, an r from antonym to the reality, or just going to the disambig page if it has to, if anywhere at all. It's impossible to pin down a target I'd think.

Also fiction is still... real. Fiction, exists. (at least its REAL to ME 🥺). Anyway, this baffles. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: There doesn't appear to be a good redirect here and the current redirect is more confusing than helpful. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree that there's no good target for this. Adumbrativus (talk) 10:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unncessary and I am pretty sure that everybody knows the definition of Fiction at this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StaleGuy22 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Either retarget to the Unreality dab per nom, or retarget to Derealization with hatnote to Reality. Jay  💬 06:45, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * delete as vague as h*ck. could be referring to "any currency besides brl" as far as the definition cares  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 11:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete since even in WP:DICDEF terms, this phrase is ambiguous. Steel1943  (talk) 18:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: Too vague to be useful. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk)  20:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above, especially Cogsan's comment-- the Unreality dab isn't sufficient. The best retarget that I can think of would actually be the Real DAB, but the idea of 'not real' redirecting to 'real' is a bit on the silly side. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 14:22, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Wiimmfi
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to GameSpy. (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 19:56, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Wiimmfi → Mario Kart Wii (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The article for GameSpy currently links to Wiimmfi, which then links to Mario Kart Wii#Legacy, a subsection that doesn't exist. Nowhere in the current Mario Kart Wii article does Wiimmfi ever get mentioned. Either a proper article for Wiimmfi should be made, or this redirect should be deleted and the link to it from GameSpy should be removed. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 03:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)


 * This is what became of the Wiimmfi mention (which had already been merged with another section before that). It is currently the last sentence of the #Reception section and no longer mentions Wiimmfi directly. *this is not a vote*  – 143.208.236.146 (talk) 04:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Which means that the GameSpy link is now less than useless, given that's exactly the amount of information that can be gleaned from the GameSpy article itself. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 05:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette  ( Let's discuss together! ) 16:46, 25 February 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 22:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: After actually reading through stuff, what I should've recommended is that the link from GameSpy be kept, but the redirect removed, as per WP:REDLINK. Other than that, what I said up there mostly stands. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 01:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to GameSpy and remove the link there. Jay  💬 14:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment the third: Edited my previous comments. Also, Jay's idea does make sense to me, given GameSpy does seem to be where most to all information on Wiimmfi is on Wikipedia. Hope it's OK that I changed the sig on the nomination post to myself, given it... very definitively was me. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 02:43, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to GameSpy per Jay. Thryduulf (talk) 11:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Viennoise
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 15%23Viennoise

Lake Surikiña
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 16%23Lake Surikiña

Graffiti S
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . After nearly a month at RfD and no comments following two relists it's clear that another relist will not be worth our time. Thryduulf (talk) 11:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Graffiti S → Cool S (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention at target, I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 21:22, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 13:37, 25 February 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 22:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a fairly normal way for people to refer to the symbol, and is a plausible-enough search term for it. No harm in keeping this redirect. Paintspot Infez (talk) 22:07, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a reliable source for your claim? Veverve (talk) 22:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - clearly a name used to refer to this (see for example, ), but it may be ambiguous with generic "graffiti" style Ss. But I think someone searching this is more than likely looking for the current target. A7V2 (talk) 23:49, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Unhelpful and potentially ambiguous as stated by A7V2. CycloneYoris talk!</b> 23:07, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Middle School S
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was no consensus.  With no new comments after the second relist, participants remain evenly divided. Thryduulf (talk) 11:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Middle School S → Cool S (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention at target, I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 21:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 13:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a fairly normal way for people to refer to the symbol, and is a plausible-enough search term for it. No harm in keeping this redirect. Paintspot Infez (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a reliable source for your claim? Veverve (talk) 22:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is a pretty common nickname for it and used to be on the article. EmperorOfTheUS (talk) 22:57, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It is a pretty common nickname for it: can you provide a source for this claim?
 * used to be on the article: yes, but now it has been remove because this name was not sourced (WP:BURDEN). Veverve (talk) 12:19, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not mentioned at the current target. Delete unless a sourced mention is added. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:00, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 22:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per CycloneYoris. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Pointy S
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus.  No comments since the second relist, so further relisting doesn't seem likely to be helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Pointy S → Cool S (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Way too vague, I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 21:19, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette  ( Let's discuss together! ) 12:08, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a fairly normal way for people to refer to the symbol, and is a plausible-enough search term for it. No harm in keeping this redirect. Paintspot Infez (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a reliable source for your claim? Veverve (talk) 22:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Too vague and not specific enough. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:11, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 22:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per CycloneYoris. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:53, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per CycloneYoris, there are plenty of fonts where the entire alphabet can be described as "pointy". Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 01:34, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Paintspot (creator). The target already provides a source. External search for "Pointy S" shows the S which enwiki refers to as the Cool S. If there are alternate targets such as serif(?) fonts (I didn't find any other suitable target), they may be hatnoted. Jay  💬 06:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

LGBT reproduction
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11%23LGBT reproduction

Paramount Television International Studios
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 19:56, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Paramount Television International Studios → TIS Productions (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Request to delete this redirect. Checking through the page history of the target page, it seems the editor who moved the article to the now-redirect title was put off after discovering the Paramount Television Studios (PTS) article that it may have a link to the target's actual name (TIS) when a reputable source in-page actually reveals the contrary. PTS doesn't have or never had any international division since formation as their output is rather/instead handled by Paramount Global Content Distribution. Intrisit (talk) 19:00, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep for now as an R from move due to the fact the move was only minutes before this nomination. Internal and external links will take some time to be corrected. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Presidentman. There are still 8 incoming links which need to be fixed, probably why we're still seeing pageviews. Jay  💬 03:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Al-Shabaab (militant group and etc.
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Al-Shabaab (militant group">Al-Shabaab (militant group → Al-Shabaab (militant group) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="John Henry (folklore">John Henry (folklore → John Henry (folklore) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Lucy (Australopithecus">Lucy (Australopithecus → Lucy (Australopithecus) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Michael Collins (Irish leader">Michael Collins (Irish leader → Michael Collins (Irish leader) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Reflection (physics">Reflection (physics → Reflection (physics) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Rhizome (philosophy">Rhizome (philosophy → Rhizome (philosophy) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Blue Hole (Red Sea">Blue Hole (Red Sea → Blue Hole (Red Sea) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Breakfast at Tiffany's (film">Breakfast at Tiffany's (film → Breakfast at Tiffany's (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="PRISM (surveillance program">PRISM (surveillance program → PRISM (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Ed Cooke (author">Ed Cooke (author → Ed Cooke (author) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Essex (whaleship">Essex (whaleship → Essex (whaleship) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Extinction (psychology">Extinction (psychology → Extinction (psychology) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Hacker (computer security">Hacker (computer security → Security hacker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Jack Johnson (boxer">Jack Johnson (boxer → Jack Johnson (boxer) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Meltdown (security vulnerability">Meltdown (security vulnerability → Meltdown (security vulnerability) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="The Legend of Zelda (video game">The Legend of Zelda (video game → The Legend of Zelda (video game) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Wale (rapper">Wale (rapper → Wale (rapper) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Warhammer (game">Warhammer (game → Warhammer (game) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Lemmings (video game">Lemmings (video game → Lemmings (video game) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Oldboy (2003 film">Oldboy (2003 film → Oldboy (2003 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Skylon (spacecraft">Skylon (spacecraft → Skylon (spacecraft) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="The Wave (2008 film">The Wave (2008 film → The Wave (2008 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Black Hand (Serbia">Black Hand (Serbia → Black Hand (Serbia) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Bust (sculpture">Bust (sculpture → Bust (sculpture) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Eiffel Tower (Paris, Texas">Eiffel Tower (Paris, Texas → Eiffel Tower (Paris, Texas) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Knock (short story">Knock (short story → Knock (short story) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="TED (conference">TED (conference → TED (conference) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Wooden spoon (award">Wooden spoon (award → Wooden spoon (award) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Dune (2020 film">Dune (2020 film → Dune (2021 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="David Sharp (mountaineer">David Sharp (mountaineer → David Sharp (mountaineer) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A bundle of pages missing parenthesis after their disambiguation. In all of these cases, there is an identical version to this title, plus a closing parenthesis, that already exists. These redirects' entire histories have existed as just redirects, without any past content. Pageviews for all of these titles are low according to massviews. These titles are all implausible due to the missing parenthesis, cannot be predicted to exist, and will not be sought normally. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment : (and others) - As OA of some of the WP:Redirects noted above, it's *entirely* ok wth me to do whatever is decided in the final WP:CONSENSUS discussion - these WP:RDRs were made as a way of linking to Wikipedia (and thereby extending the range and benefit of Wikipedia to others) from External Websites (like FaceBook), which drops the ending ")", this problem has been fully described and discussed on the WP:Village pump (technical) at VP-Archive204 (a Must-Read); VP-Archive180; VP-Archive162 - in any case - hope this helps in some way - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 18:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all, Wikipedia shouldn't need extra redirects to cover the shortcomings of external websites. (I know this is already covered by WP:RTYPO, but maybe an essay specific to this sort of thing wouldn't hurt. WP:RCLOSING or something. ...If I wrote my own essay on this, where would I go to talk about it and stuff? ) Nevermind, it exists at WP:UNNATURAL and I'm a silly. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 19:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure, Wikipedia shouldn't (and doesn't) need such pages, but is there any harm in having them once they've been created? I suppose there could be; is there a non-negligible increase in server costs associated with them existing? Zezizzebezt (talk) 20:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If the redirect exists, it's because somebody was dumped onto that page instead of where they were trying to go because some external source (search engine or embedded link or whatever) left off the closing parenthesis and they fixed that problem with a redirect so that it went straight to the correct page. It's not as if the lack-of-closing-parenthesis redirect page would ever be used for anything other than a redirect, so why get rid of it if one or more people have accidentally landed there? ErdrickLoto (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The only possible reason for this sort of redirect to exist is because of an external page that mishandles parentheses. We shouldn't need to bloat our wiki with an extra redirect for every single page- and every single redirect- that includes a closing parentheses at the end of the title. Instead, the other sites should fix their link handling in a manner that un-breaks the link. Thus, whenever one of these redirects shows up here in RfD, they typically end up deleted, as per WP:UNNATURAL. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 20:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I would argue that "redirects are cheap", a guiding principle of RfD, says the opposite of this - [r]edirects take up minimal disk space and use very little bandwidth; therefore, it doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. WP:RDAB & WP:UNNATURAL do not explain why these redirects are costly enough to warrant deletion. (To be clear, I'm not proposing the creation of an extra redirect for every single page here - just that the ones that already exist don't need to be deleted.) All the best, &zwj;—&zwj; a smart kitten <sub style="color:#595959">[  meow ] 10:19, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:RDAB and WP:UNNATURAL point to a section of WP:COSTLY. The full article explains in great detail why bad redirects are costly. Indeed, while I'm not the biggest fan of parts of this article (WP:PANDORA in particular is admittedly against WP:WHATABOUT), it is a very necessary article. After all, if RfD were meant to never ever delete any redirects ever... are we only here to retarget redirects??? Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 14:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There are definitely many redirects that need deleting, and I'm definitely not arguing that no redirects should ever be deleted - the redirect guideline lists possible such reasons for deleting. The section of WP:COSTLY that contains WP:RDAB and WP:UNNATURAL starts off . To me, this doesn't explain why the listed redirects are costly or warrant deletion - just that, in the opinion of the essayist, these redirects don't need to be created in the first place. However, that is a very different thing to deciding to delete a redirect that already exists - which, as far as I can see, the essay doesn't provide any reason to do. (I would argue that part of WP:COSTLY actually argues in favour of keeping these particular redirects - notes that [o]ne valid reason for retaining an older redirect is that it is linked to from outside Wikipedia.) All the best, &zwj;—&zwj;  a smart kitten <sub style="color:#595959">[  meow ] 22:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ...Honestly, imo WP:COSTLY just straight-up needs a rewrite lol. Incoming Traffic Is Cheap is confusingly written to the point where it seems to contradict the rest of the article, WP:PANDORA goes against WP:WHATABOUT... Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 03:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:COSTLY.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 22:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:UNNATURAL and we're not responsible for other website's faulty mishandling of links. <span style="background-color: rgb(240, 233, 205); padding: 3px"><span style="color: rgb(237, 50, 45);">StreetcarEnjoyer <span style="color: rgb(237, 50, 45);">(talk)  04:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep all per my comments above. Furthermore, any redirect being found useful by anyone is a reason for keeping specified in the Redirect guideline - WP:R. In the absence of conceivable harm that would warrant deletion (& outweigh the reason to keep them given by K5), my !vote is to keep. All the best, &zwj;—&zwj; a smart kitten <sub style="color:#595959">[  meow ] 10:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all Missing parenthesis probably, originally generated by a typo. Highly unlikely to be useful to anyone and presents a slightly dangerous example. Also, I suspect that the mere existence of the typo page will be found by search engines on partial entries and that will amplify its use when it should be being supressed.  Ex nihil  (talk) 16:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all due to malformed modifiers -- Lenticel ( talk ) 11:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all If we are going to draw a line somewhere it should exclude unfinished links. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 14:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete all per the compelling arguments by Lunamann and a few others above. I appreciate Kitten's comments, though, as some good counterpoints are brought up. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 20:40, 6 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment: What about Spectre (security vulnerability? Myrealnamm (talk to me) 01:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Utopes What I mean is that should this redirect page be added to the list? Myrealnamm (talk to me) 01:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest listing it as its own RfD. While an argument could be made as to the idea that if these redirects are deleted, Spectre (security vulnerability should be deleted as well for the same reasons, there's already been a rather extensive discussion on the matter that didn't take into account that redirect. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 03:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll see the result of this discussion and I would probably speedy delete Spectre (security vulnerability if this discussion closes as "delete all". Myrealnamm (talk to me) 19:25, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, and apologies for the delay. While it may seem like there's consensus to delete these, the fact that people have !voted to keep means that these titles are certainly not uncontroversial. I purposely did not include Spectre (security vulnerability in this nomination, as the pageviews that it receives is in a higher threshold than the rest here (the nominated pages are all specifically low views), and the title you mention ranks 43rd in viewcount in this category. Pages such as Genie (feral child have previously been kept at RfD on the basis of its viewcount, so I've been incrementing the limit with each bundle to determine the permissible limit, if there is one. So far these types of titles have been getting deleted, but there is no guarantee that all will be. As for your CSD proposal, no speedy deletion criteria applicable to Spectre (security vulnerability, which was intentionally created in 2018, not in error. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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South West Asia and North Africa
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 18:08, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * South West Asia and North Africa → Middle East and North Africa (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * SWANA → Middle East and North Africa (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Neither are mentioned at the target, and, unless they are, there is no reason for them to exist. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep "Southwest Asia" is a term sometimes used to refer to the Middle East. (See Middle East). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:06, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Presidentman's findings. The redirect term is an established alternate name for the target article. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 19:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: SWANA is a less Eurocentric term that is increasingly widely used for the region (I get 2,690,000 Google hits for "SWANA", for example). We do have "West Asia and North Africa (WANA)" in the lead, which I've not come across before. I'll add  to the lead now, but we should probably reword the article to make it cover both / all 3 terms better than being an article about MENA that happens to mention the less Eurocentric terms. —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 09:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: per Presidentman. Queen of Hearts talk she/they stalk 03:06, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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Reminisce (rapper
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 18:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Reminisce (rapper">Reminisce (rapper → Reminisce (rapper) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This page was created as a duplicate of Reminisce (rapper), containing only the first sentence of this article from its previously POV-heavy state at the time, having been tagged as "written like an advertisement". In any case, the edit was immediately reverted and converted into a redirect before an hour had passed in its existence. The missing parenthesis makes this an implausible title to refer to the subject. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:58, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete it was an article for about 29 minutes in 2021 and doesn't appear to contain any useful history.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 20:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: Unlikely typo that isn't going to help anyone. <span style="background-color: rgb(240, 233, 205); padding: 3px"><span style="color: rgb(237, 50, 45);">StreetcarEnjoyer <span style="color: rgb(237, 50, 45);">(talk)  20:34, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 00:08, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 19:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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Robbery Under Arms (1943 radio adaptation
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:CSD  . The creator's edit summaries make it explicit this title was created by mistake. Thryduulf (talk) 18:37, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Robbery Under Arms (1943 radio adaptation">Robbery Under Arms (1943 radio adaptation → Robbery Under Arms (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect missing a closing parenthesis. The page history contains an identical copy of the Robbery Under Arms (1943 radio adaptation) contents, which was created at the typoed title unintentionally. The article here was created in one edit, and converted into a redirect with the next. The lack of the closing parenthesis makes this title an unlikely term for the subject. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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Nitrilotris(methylenephosphonic acid
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 18:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Nitrilotris(methylenephosphonic acid">Nitrilotris(methylenephosphonic acid → ATMP (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

An acid redirect that is missing the closing parenthesis. This issue has since been fixed, as there is now a correct version in existence at Nitrilotris(methylenephosphonic acid). Still though, the remaining search term is unlikely to be referred to with the unclosed brackets. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:UNNATURAL <span style="background-color: rgb(240, 233, 205); padding: 3px"><span style="color: rgb(237, 50, 45);">StreetcarEnjoyer <span style="color: rgb(237, 50, 45);">(talk)  04:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete although its existed since 2013 its always been a redirect.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 20:35, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 19:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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2 of 2
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 18:13, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * 2 of 2 → The 20/20 Experience – 2 of 2 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Feels like an implausible way to search for this album specifically, as well as an impractical way to search for anything of the type generally. If there were something else in front, a listing like Number Two, Part Two, Volume Two would work well enough as a new target, which the album could then potentially also be added to... but there isn't. Absent such a something, 2 (disambiguation) would be the closest equivalent, but using that seems pointless at best. The most useful thing that occurred to me is that "2 of 2" is commonly written as "2/2", as there happens to already be a dab page there, which could be broadened. None of the current entries really use it in a sense close to this one, though, so the match would be on the clumsy side of things. FWIW, I also looked for corresponding redirects at 3 of 3 thru 9 of 9 in hopes of a nice precedent, and didn't find any, but drew the line at trying number pairs like 2 of 3. Obviously some are going to exist due to having some special significance, such as 7 of 9, but I doubt there's anything to be gleaned there... - 89.183.221.71 (talk) 17:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can find nothing specific we have coverage of called "2 of 2" or "Two of Two", it's far too ambiguous to be a useful disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 20:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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What Happened?
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to What Happened.  ✗  plicit  14:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="What Happened?">What Happened? → Jack & Jack (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to What Happened. Google tells me that this is the title of a song they released last year, but it isn't (and apparently hasn't ever been) mentioned at the current target or Jack & Jack discography. This is however a very plausible search term for the title without a question mark. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to What Happened. Kk.urban (talk) 06:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to What Happened per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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Itzy Bitzy Spider
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Itsy Bitsy Spider and the songs to Itsy Bitsy Spider (disambiguation)  .  Jay  💬 17:57, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Itzy Bitzy Spider → Itzy Bitzy Spider (Joyspeed song) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Itzy Bitzy Spider (song)">Itzy Bitzy Spider (song) → Itzy Bitzy Spider (Joyspeed song) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Itzy Bitsy Spider (song)">Itzy Bitsy Spider (song) → Itzy Bitzy Spider (Joyspeed song) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget the first to Itsy Bitsy Spider and the second and third to Itsy Bitsy Spider (disambiguation) due to a possible spelling. 176.33.244.31 (talk) 08:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget all per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 10:05, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget as per nom, this does seem to simply be a spelling variant. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 14:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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Oink! (computer game)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Oink! (video game). (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 19:58, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Oink! (computer game)">Oink! (computer game) → Beagle Bag (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This can be confused with the entirely unrelated game Oink! (video game) as the terms "computer game" and "video game" are used almost interchangeably. There is not much to say about the game Oink! in the Beagle Bag collection as it is, and this redirect has no incoming links. Retarget to Oink! (video game). J I P &#124; Talk 18:54, 17 February 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:48, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've added hatnotes for clarity. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:38, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the current and proposed target talk pages. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 06:11, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget as nominated. Keep the hatnote added by Shhhnotsoloud. If someone wants to split out the other Oink! into a separate article, then we can discuss which prong of WP:TWODABS applies, but given that it currently is just a section in another article, I think it is reasonable to assume that the full article is more likely to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. -- N Y  Kevin   06:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * retarget with hatnote as above. This seems clearer. Mangoe (talk) 19:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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Long film
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of longest films.  Jay  💬 18:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Long film → Feature film (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Films that are long are not automatically feature films, these are by no means synonymous. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: For further input on the retargeting suggestion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 05:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of longest films, which is one of only two pages we have dealing with long film. The other is List of longest animated films, which is both too specific for this search term and linked from the list of longest films. While Short films are distinguished from feature films, "long film" doesn't seem to be widely used to mean feature films. I wouldn't object to a hatnote, but I can't immediately think how to word one. Thryduulf (talk) 23:24, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * Retarget as per Thryduulf. For the proposed hatnote, maybe something like, "Long film redirects here. For feature-length films, see Feature film." Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:37, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment, I'd be opposed to a hatnote. Particularly with that wording, it gives validity to the idea that feature films are considered "long films" which they are not. No topic on Wikipedia is called a "long film", to my understanding. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * A hatnote implies nothing about what something is called, only that people might be searching for a different topic using a title that leads here. Feature films are indeed long"in comparison to short films so it's not an unreasonable description. Thryduulf (talk) 18:40, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * My point is that "long film" is not a useful search term for any individual article outside this list. Hatnotes are good for search terms where people who type something in, may have wanted to end up some place else. That's fine and good but the issue is that there needs to be a level of practicality, which is totally absent. Any film's a long film if it's longer than a short film, and not a term that will be used to refer to a topic due to there being no topic among its inherent vagueness. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:57, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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Bryant Packard
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Bryant Packard → Detroit Tigers minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Released by Detroit last July, still a minor league free agent. There's nowhere for this to target. Hog Farm Talk 02:03, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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Draft:Caleb Simpson
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Draft:Caleb Simpson → Cleveland Guardians minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Released last July by Cleveland and is still a minor league free agent. While this is the the draft space, there is no substantive content to be worried about, as this has always been a redirect. Hog Farm Talk 01:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CHEAP. I can't think of a single element of WP:COSTLY that applies to draft space. Hooooold on, took another look at the history here. This didn't start out in draft space, it was moved there. Not entirely sure why? Huh. Pulling my vote for now, in case THAT ends up relevant. (For the record though, if this had stayed in mainspace I'd suggest deletion as per WP:REDLINK.) Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:40, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That move of a redirect from article space to draft space by Yankees10 is indeed very odd. I don't recall seeing that being done before, and I can't immediately think how it benefits anybody? If the redirect is good it needs to be in article space, if isn't it should be retargetted or deleted. In draft space it just makes it harder for someone to start a draft article at that title. Thryduulf (talk) 14:03, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right. Redirects aren't articles in themselves-- they can carry the history of past BLAR'd articles, but they themselves aren't articles, they're more like... behind-the-scenes gadgets. Unlike an article, the text in a redirect isn't truly notable or useful on its own and doesn't warrant preservation. What makes them useful is the title (which can be searched for or linked to), and whatever page they point to. Moving a redirect to draft space screws up that first half of the redirect, the title-- if Caleb Simpson were notable, I could see someone typing his name in, but I couldn't see someone appending "Draft:" to the front. That immediately makes a draft-space redirect useless in a way that a draft-space article (done to perhaps preserve the text) couldn't ever be.The more I think about it, the more I've come to support the idea of Deleting this. Not sure if any preexisting guideline or essay really applies here since I don't know if anyone's written about the idea of redirects in draft/userspace before-- maybe WP:COSTLY applies here after all?? Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 15:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:RDRAFT deals with redirects in draft space, but it only considers redirects created by page moves out of draftspace (explicitly only to articlespace, but draft → user would be within the spirit, although I don't recall any such redirects being discussed). In that case the redirect is there to maintain links and discourage the creation of a draft that duplicates an article. None of that is relevant here. I'm going to hold off making a formal recommendation on this one for a bit as I'd like to hear what Yankees10 has to say first (it's possible there is something relevant they're aware of that I'm not). Thryduulf (talk) 18:45, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * For the record I have zero recollection to why I moved this to a draft space.-- Yankees10 18:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In that case I'm going to just hand you this WP:MINNOW and call it a day lol. In all seriousness, my recommendation for Deletion stands-- as already noted, it's the course of action I would have recommended were this redirect still in mainspace, and Thryduulf already mentioned that the draft-redirect's existence makes it harder for users to make a draft with that title. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 19:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per the nominator, my comments above and the lack of anything contrary mentioned by the page mover. Thryduulf (talk) 20:04, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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Kyle Marman
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Kyle Marman → Cleveland Guardians minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Released by Cleveland last year; MiLB has him as a free agent. There's nowhere for this redirect to point. Hog Farm Talk 01:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: per WP:REDLINK. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This shouldn't have been created in the first place. - Eureka Lott 17:03, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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Marcos González (baseball)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Marcos González (baseball)">Marcos González (baseball) → Cleveland Guardians minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Released by the Guardians in July, not currently with any team per MiLB's website. There's nowhere for this redirect to point to. Hog Farm Talk 01:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: per WP:REDLINK. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This shouldn't have been created in the first place. - Eureka Lott 17:05, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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