Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 30

May 30
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 30, 2024.

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Foreign Semendyayev redirects
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  06:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * カ・ア・セメンジャーエフ → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * セメンジャーエフ → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Κ. Α. Σεμεντγιάγιεφ → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Κονσταντίν Αντόλφοβιτς Σεμεντγιάγιεφ → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Κονσταντίν Α. Σεμεντγιάγιεφ → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * 谢缅佳耶夫 → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Collection of bad WP:RFOREIGN. The target is not Chinese, Greek or Japanese and seems to have no connection to the three countries. I excluded all Latin alphabet redirects to the same target from this nom, but they definitely need some scrutiny. I don't have the knowledge to tell which of the multiple romanizations used is correct or not and I want to avoid a WP:TRAINWRECK so, if anyone else wants to deal with that mess, be my guest. Nickps (talk) 22:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Russia, Mathematics,  and Engineering. Nickps (talk) 22:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The following translits are also not really useful due to diacritics: Konstantin Adolfovič Semendjajew, Konstantin Adol'fovič Semendjaev, Konstantin Adolʹfovič Semendjaev. --Викидим (talk) 22:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Some transliteration schemes include diacritics, some don't. Unfortunately, there is no one universal scheme and there have been many changes over the decades, so if we want people to get successfully redirected to our article no matter what variant they find in their texts we have to cover them all. Redirects are cheap. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 03:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There are thousands of active languages in the world, so we will have to put a limit somewhere. The redirects that an English speaker might find useful are the ones they can likely experience in English-language literature, this includes Cyrillics and various transliterations into English. English alphabet does not include diacritics, so transliteration using it is highly unlikely to be useful to them. Викидим (talk) 16:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. These are all spellings of the name actually used in various foreign-language publications of the author now or at some point in the past. Without them, people using foreign-language editions of these books will have almost no chance to find our article about the author. That's what redirects are used for per WP:REDIR. If we delete them we gain nothing, but only make it more difficult or next to impossible for our readers to use Wikipedia successfully for their purposes, in particular in case of names originating in foreign languages. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 03:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This Wikipedia is written for English speakers. For them, these redirects are very obscure synonyms and therefore don't need to exist. If lots of English speakers read the Chinese version of the subject's work (or are familiar enough with it to search for his name in that language), a redirect from his name is Chinese would be appropriate but this has not been demonstrated. Nickps (talk) 12:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't those people using foreign-language editions of the books be using... I dunno... the foreign-language versions of Wikipedia? If the Japanese, Chinese, and Russian versions of the wiki don't have information on Konstantin, the answer isn't to put a foreign-language redirect on the English wiki-- it's to translate the English wiki's page to the target language, and put it on the foreign-language version of the site. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ...it only just occurred to me that the redirects at question are Chinese, Japanese, and Greek, not Chinese, Japanese, and Russian. Got lightly confused because the target article we're talking about is a Russian name. That said... We've got a Greek Wikipedia, too. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:RLANG and my comment(s) above. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as argued in WP:RLANG. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 20:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per RLANG, redirects are intended for English-language speakers, and people searching terms from foreign-language publications should use the Wikipedia editions in their respective languages. Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 21:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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Office Shuji Abe
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7%23Office Shuji Abe

CS2
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 * The result of the discussion was Disambiguate  by moving CS2 (disambiguation) to the base title. Thryduulf (talk) 11:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * CS2 → Carbon disulfide (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

I think CS2 should point to either Counter-Strike 2 or CS2 (disambiguation), rather than Carbon disulfide (CS2)

Googling "CS2" overwhelmingly shows Counter-Strike 2, and the names have been used interchangeably by most who are familiar with the game, including the developers.

Out of the articles shown on CS2 (disambiguation) that could arguably go by the name "CS2", carbon disulfide is the lowest-trafficked, and Counter-Strike 2 the highest. BugGhost 🪲👻 21:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Change the redirect to disambiguation as proposed. The are oh so many things spelled similarly. --Викидим (talk) 21:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Counter-Strike 2 but add a hatnote to the disambig page -- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget and hatnote to Counter-Strike 2 per nom. mwwv  converse ∫ edits  15:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Retarget and hatnote to Counter-Strike 2. I highly doubt most people looking for information on carbon disulfide don't also know its full name.
 * Thanks, Neuropol  Talk  15:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Move disambiguation page to the base title. I don't see a clear primary topic and redirecting this to the disambiguation page would result is a WP:MALPLACED page. In addition, the abbreviation has been used for a long time, and redirecting it to Counter-Strike 2 would create WP:RECENTISM problems. - Eureka Lott 17:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Move disambiguation page per EurekaLott. I don't feel that elevating the game to the status of primary topic is justified. Nickps (talk) 19:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science and Video games. Nickps (talk) 19:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Move disambiguation page to base title. I am not convinced that search hits relying on the internet-based nature of the gaming community are adequate justification for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, any more than the fact that Google Scholar hits overwhelmingly refer to the chemical would be adequate justification for choosing the other topic as primary. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambig per "Counter-Strike 2 is more likely to be searched, but not fully the primary topic either per WP:RECENTISM" Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 23:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate No obvious primary topic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per the above, this game is too new to guarantee that it will be the primary topic forever. Toadspike   [Talk]  17:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment - My memory from being a teenager 20-odd years ago suggests that CS2 was a common way to refer to Counter-Strike: Source back in the day (despite it technically being the 3rd installment of the series). If this was true, the association with CS2 to Counter-Strike may be much longer lasting and enduring than WP:RECENTISM would suggest.  Buuuuut... I'll admit personal anecdotes are not data.  Is there anything like google ngrams that can search internet forums from back in the day? Fieari (talk) 23:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't even play CS but I would think the Source version is more known as CS 1.6 which has a redirect. – The Grid  ( talk )  17:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Not to get too far off topic, but Counter-Strike: Source and Counter-Strike 1.6 are two different games, released in 2004 and 2000 respectively. Regarding CS:S as being referred to as "CS2" - this could be true historically, but I doubt many would refer to CS:S as "CS2" today after the release of Counter-Strike 2. BugGhost 🪲👻 12:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Updating my position: Disambiguate - The disambiguation voters have swayed me, I think moving the contents of the disambiguation page over to CS2 makes the most sense. BugGhost 🪲👻 12:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Redirects misusing the sharp symbol
 <span id="ELV1S: 30 ♯1 Hits"> <span id="F♯*@bois"> <span id="$♯*! My Dad Says"> <span id="♯41"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7%23Redirects misusing the sharp symbol

Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven.
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7%23Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven.

Technofascism and Techno-fascism
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 * The result of the discussion was No consensus, retarget  . There is no consensus between pointing both to Techno-populism and deleting both. After three relisting and no comments in over a week it's very unlikely that continuing to discus this will result in a consensus, but with absolutely no support for the status quo a simple no consensus defaulting to keep is not appropriate. Accordingly I've chosen to retarget as the lesser action per WP:NCRET. Thryduulf (talk) 12:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Technofascism → Internet censorship (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Techno-fascism → Techno-populism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Same terminology, different meanings. Does its meaning depend on the absence/presence of the hyphen, or can it have both meanings either way? – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 21:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * My thought exactly. Either it is a term legitimately attested to in the literature, or else it is POV and should be deleted. Which of these it is, I will leave to smarter contributors than myself –&#32; the top Google &#8220;hit&#8221; points to one of the target Wikipedia articles and the second one points to this RfD itself! (and subsequent &#8220;hits&#8221; point to academic articles that are way &#8220;above my head.&#8221;)  Bwrs (talk) 05:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * did some looking around and "technofascism" apparently means "fascism that uses technology", not "fascism in technology", so both of those are wrong
 * either retarget them to fascism or a more fitting target, or cause them to mysteriously disappear delete  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 14:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I imagined "technofascism" being a portmanteau of technocracy and fascism (with the former referring to governance by experts, not technology itself) and that it would refer to a blend of both. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 19:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * probably true Bwrs (talk) 22:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette Edit! 17:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We should target both to Techno-populism. There's a brief bit about it there. I don't know that it has a particular stable meaning, but at least we clearly attribute one of them at that page. -- asilvering (talk) 01:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per Bwrs' reasoning. Waylon (was) (here) 17:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 15:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Target both to Techno-populism#Technocratic populism per asilvering. Jay  💬 15:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete There's one sentence at the proposed target (Techno-fascism is a concept introduced by Janis Mimura to describe an authoritarian rule executed by technocrats). That's really not enough substance to support two redirects. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 19:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What would it take for it to be valid as a redirect? Jay  💬 09:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Weak retarget to techno-populism per asilvering. The term is mentioned and explained, though briefly, and the target article is topical enough that it seems likely to provide useful context around related subjects for the searcher. It also seems reasonably likely that it'll be expanded with more context as the article improves. Secondarily, delete -- current targets are inappropriate and confusing. Rusalkii  (talk) 20:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delate. The only WP:RS on the subject that I know, is not agreeing with either target. In short, this is just a word used for verbal attacks that different parts of the political spectrum define differently. We can potentially find more sources and create an article about the word, reducing the word to label just one of the meanings (inherent in redirect) would be introducing a PoV for no good reason.--Викидим (talk) 22:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hisham Saleh
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 * The result of the discussion was Delete  after no opposition in more than three weeks. Thryduulf (talk) 12:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hisham Saleh → Mohamed Helmi (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]
 * Mahmoud Saleh Hisham → Mohamed Helmi (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

The target page for this redirect is about another person. Same applies to Mahmoud Saleh Hisham, which also redirects to the same target page. Ben5218 (talk) 00:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 15:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note target now changed from Mohamed Helmi to Mohamed Helmy; and Mahmoud Saleh Hisham now bundled here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Telephonics Corporation
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Griffon Corporation. (non-admin closure) feminist🩸 (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Telephonics Corporation → Griffon Corporation (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Telephonics Corporation is no longer owned by Griffon Corporation. If Telephonics is not sufficiently notable for its own article, the redirect should be deleted. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 10:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 15:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: Telephonics Corporation has a section at the target article (Griffon Corporation), which includes a mention of its sale. I'm unsure why this redirect needs to be deleted - even though the company seems to have been sold, this section of the Griffon Corporation article still seems to contain the most information on the company that Wikipedia currently has, and so - in the absence of an article on Telephonics Corporation - seems to be the best target to send readers looking for information on it to. All the best, &zwj;—&zwj; a smart kitten <sub style="color:#595959">[  meow ] 11:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Griffon Corporation#Telephonics Corporation) for the same reason as above. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  23:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:WikiProject's Espionage, Intelligence and Mass surveillance collaboration
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  06:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="Wikipedia:WikiProject's Espionage, Intelligence and Mass surveillance collaboration">WikiProject's Espionage, Intelligence and Mass surveillance collaboration → Wikipedia:WikiProject Espionage (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

now an orphan; no purpose to exist; liquidated; does not disambiguate Thanks, Neuropol  Talk  13:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Seems to be a defunct shared page for the listed WikiProject to collaborate together. Has no purpose now, and the target no longer contain any information about the collab anymore, so delete Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  23:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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GWR network
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7%23GWR network

Blagger
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 11%23Blagger

Kim Un
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  06:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Kim Un → Kim Jong Un (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

WP:R #2 No evidence it is a common incorrect name, and even then, it is potentially ambiguous as it is not a correct name for any Wikipedia-notable topic. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 08:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete This redirect definitely is confusing. While I can see how this error is made (thinking Kim is the first name and Jong is a omittable middle name(they are not)), there are many potential targets if incorrect interpretation is followed. It has low page views, (only 21 in 90 days). Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  08:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per given reasonings. Also, "Kim Un" is a valid and normal-sounding Korean-language name; it's pretty conceivable to me that someone has that name right now and in future we'll have an article with that title. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 09:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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Donald Von ShitzInPantz
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep  . Thryduulf (talk) 12:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Donald Von ShitzInPantz → Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

This redirect was tagged for speedy deletion but the tag removed with the statement that this nickname is "a real thing". I doubt this so I'm sending this to RFD. I can't see where the legitimacy of this insult is documented. There seems to be a long history of insulting redirects for political figures and I'm hoping that the redirect experts at RFD will be able to make a judgment on this one. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 06:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This phrase appears to be from a Tweet by Michael Cohen (lawyer). Re-target to List_of_nicknames_of_presidents_of_the_United_States as there is a reliably-sourced mention there. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  09:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget as per Ca. The fact that this was actually entered into the federal record does raise the possibility that someone might actually search for this-- let's take them to the information we have on it. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, I understand the argument for retargeting, but the initial target is best. Most people searching for the phrase on Wikipedia would be looking for the context in which it was said in court, which the article on Trump’s prosecution provides.
 * Additionally, the list is mostly popular nicknames used against Trump, which this phrase is not. As far as I am aware, no one other than Cohen is using this term outside of discussion about the court case, so it is best to keep the target. Slamforeman (talk) 15:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That'd be a good idea, if it weren't for the fact that in the current target, it's only mentioned in the Notes section, while the proposed target discusses it directly. If they really want to get to the current target, it's directly linked in the proposed target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That can all be changed, surely. Anything more that could be written about this nickname, which would probably just be "it was said in court", would pertain to the prosecution. Slamforeman (talk) 16:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep - It's a notable, well-referenced moniker at the circus of the Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York. I had also created von ShitzInPantz as a number of sources drop the Donald part. I didn't create a redirect for ShitzInPantz, though one may be appropriate. Redirect to [[List_of_nicknames_of_presidents_of_the_United_States.
 * Sources:

GobsPint (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * keep for reasons mentioned above Victor Grigas (talk) 23:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, as Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York is the most relevant of the two targets. Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 23:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Slamforeman - The Sharpest Lives (the deadliest to lead) 23:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Science Update
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 6%23Science Update

Elephant population
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 6%23Elephant population

ANDSF
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . Editors could not agree on whether search results or source coverage indicated which one was the primary topic, so I can only read this discussion as a no primary topic situation. Moving ANDSF (disambiguation) to this title. (non-admin closure) — TechnoSquirrel69  ( sigh ) 02:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * ANDSF → Access network discovery and selection function (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget] /[ delete]  ]

Likely primary topic is Afghan National Security Forces, not this internet protocol component. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * ANDSF (disambiguation) will likely be deleted unless it decided to be moved to this title. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Its prod expired, so ANDSF (disambiguation) is no more <span style="color:#f80;font-family:'Cascadia Code',monospace">mwwv  converse ∫ edits  21:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Keep or Retarget? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 16:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nominator. Internet search results for "ANDSF" alone refer overwhelmingly to the former military. --NFSreloaded (talk) 18:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget and add hatnote per nom. Okmrman (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, since the current target is also known as "ANDSF" and a hatnote has already been placed there. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Retarget to Afghan National Security Forces or ANDSF (disambiguation)? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  01:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to the disambiguation page (first, restore the dab, as there is WP:NOPRIMARY). Google search ANSDF is dominated by military, ANSDF abbreviation - by 3GPP. --Викидим (talk) 23:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget, restore ANDSF (disambiguation) and round-robin move them, as neither of the two articles seems to be an overwhelmingly primary topic. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 13:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have restored ANDSF (disambiguation) as a PROD deletion, and updated it to no primary so it doesn't get deleted immediately because of ONEOTHER. I'm neutral, and this is not an indication of my support here for NOPRIMARY. Jay  💬 10:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * retarget to Afghan National Security Forces, which seems primary based on my search results. Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Retarget to dab and round robin, internet results heavily favor the Afghan organization, Google Scholar results heavily favor the internet protocol. signed,Rosguill talk 18:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Nonius connector
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 6%23Nonius connector