Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2007 May 13

= May 13 =

Removing the harnig virus
Hello friends. I am not speaking on my behalf but the behalf of my friend, who got the a trojan today called the harnig virus. Here is symantec's page on it. She's scanned her harddrive with CA Security 2007, CCleaner and AdAware. She reports that CA Security 2007 found the virus once and then said it was gone. The problem this is giving her is that when she starts up in regular mode, a few applications load as usual but after a few moments her screen goes completely black, no little blinky cursor or anything. For the record, she is running Windows XP Media Center Edition Version 5.1 with SP2. Here is a link to a screenshot of her msconfig startup panel: http://i7.tinypic.com/5zm2jnr.jpg Do any of these look particularly suspicious? Does anybody have any recommendations for how to remove this virus? Thanks! NIRVANA2764 00:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't see any problems with that startup list. When the screen goes completely black, I assume your computer has literally just turned itself off?  x42bn6 Talk Mess  18:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Possible Virus
I have an odd problem with my computer, started about a day ago. It connects to the internet (wireless), but won't load most pages. It's fine with Wikipedia and Google, and can kinda handle YouTube and a few other random sites, but for most it gives the same response as if it wasn't online. This includes my antivirus update systems, so they haven't received updates in a few days. My sister's computer has started having the same problem. Does this sound like a virus, or spyware, or some sort of hardware problem, or what? If it helps, we're running Windows (XP I believe). 76.185.113.55 00:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you tried running anti-virus, spyware? It might be a networking problem if tools are a negative for virus/spyware. Splintercellguy 00:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * We've run AdAware, SpyBot S&D, and AVG. They all found minor invasions, as they always do, and got rid of them, but nothing's changed. By "networking problem", what do you mean? Is it something we could diagnose? If so, is it something we could fix? 76.185.113.55 00:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm, can you access the router configuration and see the DHCP information? Can you trying tracert-ing and see what you can get? Splintercellguy 02:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I can sure try. How do I do that? 76.185.113.55 04:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Start -> Run -> cmd. Type ipconfig, and look at the Default Gateway field. That is your router's IP. Open up a web browser, and type http://. You may be asked for user and pass, consult your router's manual. Hmm, it may not be DHCP. What have you installed recently? Splintercellguy 04:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I got the IP, but I don't know the username or password. (My sisters set it up before I got here, I can ask them tomorrow.) The default password in the manual didn't work, so they must have come up with a new one. I'm not sure what DHCP is, or whether I have it installed or not, but if it helps we've got a LinkSys router, Model No. WRT54G, with the in-package setup CD, labelled Setup Wizard ver. 6.0. We've got cable DSL through I believe Time Warner. Does that answer the question? 76.185.113.55 04:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I may have gotten off-track with the router. Have you done the Repair operation for the affected computers' network connection? Splintercellguy 04:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, many times. I've also unplugged and replugged the wireless box, rebooted, turned off and turned on, uninstalled and reinstalled one or two things. No change. I've been seeing what I can access and what I can't, though, and can give a little more information on that. I can access Google and its search pages and any of its cached pages, but nothing it links to directly unless I could anyway. I've tried accessing proxies to see if that would effect it, and it hasn't. Those that I can get to (Google and BabelFish translation so far) don't give me access to anything new. I can get the Linksys support site, which is nice, but I'm not sure if I can get anything helpful there. I can get to Yahoo, but most of the flashy doodads don't come up. Mostly, what I can and can't get to seems pretty random, but stable over time. 76.185.113.55 05:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * (Going to bed, will continue tomorrow morning.) 76.185.113.55 05:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Wish I had access to your machine. Umz, could it be the browser? Perhaps trying to browse from a clean LiveCD? Forgive me if I am not helping as well as you would like. Could use some other editors' help :). Splintercellguy 05:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I fully appreciate any help I can get. I've gotten into the router configuration, and among other things it says "Automatic Configuration - DHCP". Later, next to "DHCP Server" the Enable button is activated. So, yes to DHCP. Also, I found a screen with "Ping" and "Traceroute" buttons. What should I do with them? 76.185.113.55 16:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * What's the assigned IP address and gateway? Make sure its not set to autoconfig or invalid IP. Jam release/renew to possible rectify that. Splintercellguy 01:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Good news! We called the tech support, and they suggested plugging the computer directly into the modem. My connection is fine now, so it must be the wireless router that was causing all the problems. We still haven't figured out what it's doing, but now we've got internet access. :) Black Carrot 05:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

AIM Profiles
I'm using AIM 6.1 and was wondering if there's some type of hack to make your profile bigger. Once it reaches a certain size, it won't let you save until you shorten it. I want to do this without using those profile sites that you link to. 69.117.143.204 02:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

CDs on iTunes
I'm having some trouble burning a playlist onto iTunes. The CD-R I'm using is an 80min/700mb disc and the playlist I'm trying to burn is only 55min/69mb and it still won't burn. I deleted songs and got it down to less than half an hour and it still says it's too large, yet when I tried burning an older playlist that was larger than my current one, it worked fine. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.82.135.128 (talk) 03:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
 * You're probably trying to burn the playlist as an Audio CD, not a Data CD. An Audio CD will only support a limited amount of music, while a Data CD can support much more.  --Ali 16:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

DVD-R Multisession
Any idea why the DVD-R multisession burnt on Nero cant be read on win-xp without service pack whereas it can be read by iso-buster?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.92.244.211 (talk) 05:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Depends on many factors. Did you burn it with UDF or ISO? Check these links for incompatibilities. If ISO, what were your settings? Did you heed Nero's advice on making the disk maximally readable under Windows? ISO buster (etc.) has been programmed to read non-standard formats of DVD's whereas your Windows kernel can read a limited set of formats. AFAIK SP1 and 2 did not upgrade DVD readability but addressed hard drives above approx. 130 gig. Sandman30s 16:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as compatability is concerned, it is readable in xp on the machine where the dvd-burner is installed, but it is not readable on my machine even if I had installed sp2.only Iso buster can read it..210.212.194.209


 * Doesn't sound like an XP problem then. Most likely your DVD reader on your other machine using XP's native drivers cannot read the burned (multisession) format. Remember your burner comes with its own drivers to be able to read the non-standard formats it burns. Multisession is a relatively new addition from the original single-session disks that were written once. Certain DVD readers can read multisession but that is a whole new investigation by itself. Also try burning your disks in maximum-ISO-compatibility mode the next time. Or don't use multisession. Sandman30s 09:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * any idea if it can be solved??59.92.245.82
 * copy all your files to hard disk, then write them back to a new dvd using single session ISO mode with maximum compatibility settings. Sorry but this means the loss of a blank dvd which is a small price to pay for knowledge... Sandman30s 14:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

s/this/that
What are people referring to when they say "s/one word/another word"? (Punctuation doesn't Google very well, and a search for s-slash turned up everything but.) Neon  Merlin  05:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a substitution operator, used most notably in vi and Perl. It means substitute the regular expression between the first pair of slashes with the expression in the last pair. (unsigned by 149.135.125.155)
 * It's used in IRC and online chat too sometimes, when if someone says a whole word in a sentence wrong they correct themselves with s/wrong/right/. Josh Holloway  09:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a reference to sed syntax (the same syntax is also, as noted above, found in vi and Perl). --cesarb 13:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I supose technically it is a reference to ed (text editor), which sed is modelled after. -- Diletante 18:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Go back one more level: it's from QED (text editor), which ed was a simplified version of. --Anon, May 18, 2007, 23:29 (UTC).

Underscore number in a password
Is there a way to under line a number to log in to an account? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.255.75.57 (talk) 05:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC).


 * What do you mean by "under line a number"? What are you trying to log into? --h2g2bob (talk) 06:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

If you mean enter something like 12345678 as a password, then no, you can't do that, as that's not available using the standard characters on a keyboard. To create them here, for example, I had to type in " 12345678 ". StuRat 14:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Eh, I don't know about that. There's some unicode character that usually renders as a # but when you put text between two of them it underlines that text. I have them around my counter-strike nick right now I think. --⁪frotht 18:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

International shipping
Hey, a little bit off topic but I figured if anyone knows this it'd be one of you guys. I'm about to order a laptop online (Alienware) and have it shipped to me in Japan, and while they don't give any indication that they are able to ship to Asia on their website, FedEx (with which who Alienware ships) is a well established courier here in Japan as well, and at the worst it will just cost me a few extra bucks (US) to route it my way.

My question is about customs. I have, on a few occasions, carried electronics across borders in Asia without any problems, but this will be the first time anything major comes in the mail, and I'm really not sure what to expect; am I going to be hit with a hefty tax, errr... duty? When will the charge me? Is some dude going to come to my house and get me to pay the difference or what? Does anybody have any experience with this, and can help me figure out about how much I might get charged? The system is going to cost me about $1,500 US POP. Thanks! freshofftheufo ΓΛĿЌ  08:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * A couple times a year I work for a gift company that used to do international shipping to some countries. Some countries had UPS and FedEx but we still didn't ship there due to the high duties that would have to be paid.  The company only had one shipping rate for international shipping in order to keep things simple.  What I'm trying to get at is that just because you have FedEx there, it doesn't necessarily follow that Alienware will ship there.  I would double check with the company.  Dismas |(talk) 09:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've sent a request but Alienware isn't really known for their speedy world class support. You're probably right that they could refuse to send it to Japan because of high rates. I've just spent a couple hours looking through a bunch of Japanese customs .pdfs and though I can find no specific mention of teriffs? on computers an electronics, the duty might be as high as 5%, though I don't know if that applies to single independant purchases, or if electronics even falls under the same category. The fact that buying laptops in Japan costs so much more than it does in the US (I show the specs and the price of the Alienware system to a budget laptop manufacturer and I get laughed at) makes me suspect that they're not going to make it easy for me to have it sent over here. freshofftheufo  ΓΛĿЌ  09:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Japan has 5% GST/consumption tax which you will probably have to pay. Duties, if any, will be in addition. If AlienWare is willing to ship to Japan, you will be paying AlienWare. Expect it to be $75 or more extra. Bear in mind if your have a problem under warranty you will have to ship it back to the US at your own cost. You will probably have to pay to ship it back to yourself too Nil Einne 11:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * These laws vary from country to country, but as above you should expect to pay the tax PLUS customs processing fee which may not be insignificant. You are crazy ordering something before knowing the specific law. You should really find out beforehand. In Australia I buy a lot of stuff on ebay from America, customs duty is 10% for most things and the processing fee is about $40, even if your particular goods are not subject to custom duty! If the Japanese sales tax is indeed 5% you could still be up for over $100 extra and it won't be Alienware taking the extra money at the time of purchase, it will be Japanese customs once the laptop hits the shores, they won't release it until they have the money. In Australia you usually get a phone call to pay the customs with credit card, how good is your Japanese? If it isn't good enough to enquire about customs duty at your post office, maybe you should make a Japanese colleague the contact so that Japanese customs don't have a problem communicating, otherwise your laptop may end up in an illegal import sale. Vespine 02:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Movie Format
Hello,


 * I downloaded the 'Bink and Smacker RAD Video Tool' thingy and managed to sucsessfully convert a .MOV format movie into .AVI but there was a problem. When i decide to play them using Windows Media Player or in Movie Maker they are very stuttery and the sound is practically un reconisable. How can i solve this?


 * With the Mozilla Firefox Video Downloader when you download a video how do you download it in .WMV / .AVI format?

thanks, --81.79.98.115 12:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * With Video Downloader, you download it in whatever format the website hosts it as (generally flv) and convert it yourself. Try playing it in VLC; if that fails try this guide to convert with ffmpeg. --h2g2bob (talk) 16:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Google Earth purposeful blurring of a location?
Check out 41.943837,-70.576826 on Google Maps or Google Earth — Pilgrim Nuclear Generating Station. It looks like it has been purposefully blurred. It says that the data was provided by MassGIS, Commonwealth of Massachusetts — is it likely they blurred the data? (Personally I doubt there is any real security advantage to such a thing — it is trivial to find high-res satellite photography of the site on Google Images — but that's another question.) --24.147.86.187 14:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Same thing on Seabrook Station Nuclear Power Plant! ( 42°53'57.79"N, 70°50'58.93"W) Same image source! Note that there are plenty of other reactors which are not blurred — I suspect it is limitd to MassGIS's images. I wonder if Google knows/cares that they are receiving doctored images. --24.147.86.187
 * Indian Point Energy Center also looked blurred too but in a much more subtle way (not as chunky); they are New York GIS. Not sure what that is supposed to accomplish! --24.147.86.187 14:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It accomplishes the creation of a fig leaf. Since terraists are only smart enough to obtain aerial reconnaissance photography via Google Earth, if we obscure that data then the terraists can't possibly figure out where to aim their bombs. Or at least that's what they've told Georgie Porgy so he can sleep at night without a third glass of Jim Beam.


 * Atlant 11:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How do you know that it doesn't actually look like that from above? 213.48.15.234 13:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, this "blurred" image is a hell of a lot clearer than the image of my home on Google Maps. So, I guess I should assume that Bush is blurring my house to protect me from terrorists, right? --Kainaw (talk) 13:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it's worked so far, right? You're still safe in your home? ;-)


 * Atlant 15:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not just Massachusetts. Take a look at the U.S. Vice President's residence. It's not even just the U.S. Look at this obscured location in the Netherlands and one in Russia. As for an explanation, I think we can credit bureaucracy, the "CYA" phenomenon, and morons who cannot grasp the idea that deliberately obscuring a location actually draws attention to it. --Tugbug 23:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you thing the goverment is so stupid? Are you sure that they are obscuring the 'right' hotspots? Perhaps they are covering some unimportant building to draw attention of the terrorists to the wrong places. Mr.K. (talk) 16:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Problem with WMP11 - Find Album Info
When I try to find album info for songs I have ripped from a CD I burned myself, Windows Media Player 11 fails to show the default "find album info" screen and instead shows "How do you want to search?," with the option of searching by artist, album, or "enter information for a CD you burned." How can I cause the default "find album info" screen to appear instead? I cannot obtain album art or album information properly with the new screen. Thanks! --Ali 16:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

ccApp.exe and ccSvcHst.exe problems
Hello. Usually, when I shut down my computer, a window appears and says it tries to end a ccApp.exe program followed by a window that says it has an application error with ccSvcHst.exe. That window says:
 * The instruction at “0x010ce0d4” referenced memory at “0x00000000.” The memory could not be read.
 * Click on OK to terminate program.

This window appears for a second or two and the computer shuts down. At other times, the application error with ccSvcHst.exe says:
 * The exception unknown software exception...

I did not have enough time to copy the rest. I searched for those files, finding them in Norton Antivirus 2007. How can I solve this problem? Thanks. --Mayfare 16:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Tried reinstalling Norton? --h2g2bob (talk) 16:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

DOSBOX/DJGPP
Is is possible to use DJGPP within DOSBOX or do I have to switch to DOSEMU? (I'm a Linux user) thanks

--Duomillia 17:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * DOSBox appears to be emulation at the hardware level (like Bochs), allowing the user to install any x86-compatible OS. If I remember right, DOSEMU does the emulation at a slightly higher level (like WINE does for Windows).
 * The DJGPP article says it runs on DOS, so if you run DOS within DOSBox it should work. It doesn't specify whether it works only with MS-DOS, or also clones DR-DOS, FreeDOS, etc...)
 * Cheers, Davidprior 17:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Should work fine. --h2g2bob (talk) 02:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Tracking
I remember that there was a website where on the bottom it said "Most recent visits" and it showed locations of the people that have looked at the site (with my location on the top). How is this done? 65.95.79.252 19:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * GeoIP, as below! It looks up your IP and finds the city it's in, then stores it in a database. Josh Holloway  20:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

IP address
Is there a way to know where someone is located based on their ip address? 65.95.79.252 19:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, take a look at Geolocation_software for information or HostIP.info to actually do it. It's accurate to the city, maybe suburb, but not more than that. Josh Holloway  20:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Note that it's accurate to the user's city/suburb at best - there are a number of things which can throw it off, most obviously the use of proxy servers. — Matt Eason (Talk &#149; Contribs) 22:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * DNS records says you're in Ontario, Canada. --h2g2bob (talk) 02:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * ...sitting in your bedroom at your computer in your underwear, while eating a peanut butter sandwich. :-) StuRat 06:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * ...sitting naked in a bean bag eating Cheetos. Black Carrot 05:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Car SatNav
Can someone please explain in words of two syllables how a satnav works. I know it relies upon GPS signals, but how does that signal translate into verbal instructions. Sorry if this is not strictly a computer question but I'm sure it must come close. Thanks in anticipation of an answer that I might have a hope of understanding!--88.110.111.76 19:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There are sattellites orbitting the earth which the satnav connects to. There will be 5 or 6 of these connected to your satnav at any time, sometimes more. Together they create a 3d electronic "map" of exactly where on the planet you are. The satnav unit itself has maps to the whole country and has a complicated method of working out the quickest route to take. As it knows where you need to go and where you are now, it can tell you what turnings to take etc. The voice which speaks to you will have pre-programmed phrases, such as "Turn right after 50 yards" and also be able to attempt to pronounce the roadnames. Josh Holloway  20:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The GPS device doesn't quite "connect" to the GPS receivers. It simply uses the knowledge of the position of the satellites and clock time to calculate its location on the Earth. A receiver requires at least 4 satellites for good results. Splintercellguy 01:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Bzzt! Satellites is three syllables.


 * There are spacecraft in orbit around the earth. They have precise clocks on board. They use the time it takes for a signal to leave one spacecraft to each other to know how far apart they are. You receive that distance and the unit figures out where you are.

There's a quite-complex computer in the car's SatNav system, along with a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM full of programs and mapping data. The car's computer essentially runs software that is very similar to DeLorme's Street Atlas. Combined with the current-location information provided by the car's GPS system, that allows this computer to calculate a route to anywhere contained on its maps. As you move along the route, speech synthesis creates the spoken directions: "Prepare to turn right in 1000 feet", "turn right here", and the ever-popular "at the next convenient location, make a U-turn".

Where GPS doesn't work (like in tunnels or some skyscraper-surrounded city streets), the car uses dead reckoning to estimate its position based off of the last GPS data. This is done using odometer data from the vehicle's engine/transmission management computers and, usually, an electronic compass built into the car's navigation system.

Atlant 11:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I read somewhere that (in the uk at least) they were launching some new satellites that would increase accuracy even more, and that the new combination would allow for GPS to be useable for people "on foot" in cities (i.e. be able to direct people accurately with range of less than 10 metres). Also I suspect that the speech-package builds itself up from mini-statements/even just words into full sentences e.g. the sentence "in 500 yards take the second exit at the roundabout" may actually be an amalgamation of "In", "500 yards", "take the", "second", "exit", "at the", "roundabout". It might seem odd but then this way they save space (and time for the person recording the voice). I know that some software builds words in this manner (that's why you get the words [stressed]] unusually at times). ny156uk 17:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There's been some interesting experimentation with "back-pack GPS" nav systems to assist blind people; as far as I know, the results have been pretty good, at least as long as the United States keeps Selective availability turned off. The new European satellite nav system should help with that last bit.


 * And yes, at least in my Audi, the nav system's speech synthesis is definitely canned phrases that are strung together as needed. It's especially obvious when it pronounces something like "Route 101-A"; the enunciation comes out something like "Route 101,,,,A". We always get a laugh when it says things like that.


 * Atlant 00:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I believe "the military" has to-the-centimeter GPS location worldwide already. --⁪frotht 18:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Unless you're using "differential GPS", GPS isn't that accurate. Propagation delay variations impose limits that are beyond "to the centimeter" accuracy.


 * Atlant 22:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Apple Ipod problem
When I first connected my new iPod about a year ago it downloaded from my Apply Mac system 10 all my music, all my photos and some only of my contacts. Now when I recharge it it up dates all those files but not my contacts. Why not and what can I do about it please. Any help will be much appreciated and acknowledged,--88.110.111.76 19:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If you update your itunes and then plug in the ipod it should take you to the configuration panel and then you can pick what you want updated and what you want to stay the same --Nerdd


 * Thanks for this, but when I plug in the iPod to the Mac it just gets on with updating; no sign of a 'configuration panel'. How can I find that please?--88.110.111.76 21:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Later! your suggestion made me look deeper into the problem which I have now solved. Grateful thanks for your help.--88.110.111.76 21:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Subtitles for a video file (avi xvid)
Hi, does anyone have any experience with .SUB and .IDX subtitle files? The .SUB file is binary and the .IDX is a text file that contains settings and pointers to the binary images in the .SUB. Problem is that the subtitles of the movie shows as light green on yellow - unreadable! So I tried first to convert it to .SRT - problem is the converters cannot understand the binary text (OCR problem?) and ask me to type all the text in! Next thing I tried was editing the settings in the .IDX - makes no difference. Tried also various subtitle settings in VLC player, to no avail. Other players don't even show subtitles at all. Help :) Sandman30s 21:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah nevermind found the answer. Changed the settings to:

Sandman30s 22:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) The original palette of the DVD palette: 000000, 121212, 6d6d6d, d9d9d9, 000000, 121212, 848484, cacaca, 111111, 9a9a9a, ffffff, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282

Streaming video capture
I ran the demo of WMRecording 11.0. It automatically downloaded streams as soon as they started as long as the program was running. Are there any free capture programs with similar functionality to avoid all the technical stuff or should I use a program that lets me select a rectangular space on my desktop for recording. In short: I'm looking for free software that lets me record and save streaming video (or capture it off my desktop of the first is not possible). For those who are worrying: I'm intending to use it for saving promotional trailers. - Mgm|(talk) 21:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * VLC media player via its wizard? Splintercellguy 01:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * VideoDownloader, Javamoya, UnPlug, Ook Video Ook, etc. can download videos from a website. VLC can save many formats. Linux users can also use MiMMS to download mms videos. --h2g2bob (talk) 01:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The programs you mention work best with specific websites, I want something that is website independant, like WMR. I already have UnPlug and VideoDownloader and several of the videos I wish to download are not found by these programs. If they are, only the stream link is downloaded rather than the actual footage, so those are not what I'm looking for. - Mgm|(talk) 07:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Javimoya.com seems to be able to handle a large number of sites. Splintercellguy 08:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Which website - perhaps I can add it --h2g2bob (talk) 02:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've opted for using an URL snooper together with a free download manager that looks a lot like HiDownload the name of which I forgot. So far it worked like a charm. - Mgm|(talk) 11:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)