Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2008 December 9

= December 9 =

FTP Passive Mode behind NAT
Hello wikipedians,

I'm tryin to setup a Filezilla FTP server behind our router (which is a pc running pfsense). I was able to install FZ without a problem, and i forwarded port 21 (also made an exception for that port on the router) and im able to login into it.

Now, problem is, I can't list directories (been using WinSCP as client), so I set the passive-mode on the server with the following settings:


 * External server IP: Obtain from http://ip.filezilla-project.org/ip.php
 * (ticked) Don't Use external IP for local connections
 * (ticked) Use custom port range: 44431-44431 (which i then also port-forwarded to the machine)

But I still can't get a listing... Any Ideas? Thanks in Advance PrinzPH (talk) 00:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

BTW, here's the log from the FZ server, IPs were changed:

(000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - (not logged in) (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> USER n1listings (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - (not logged in) (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 331 Password required for n1listings (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - (not logged in) (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> PASS *************** (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 230 Logged on (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> SYST (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 215 UNIX emulated by FileZilla (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> FEAT (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 211-Features: (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> MDTM (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> REST STREAM (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> SIZE (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> MLST type*;size*;modify*; (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> MLSD (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> UTF8 (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> CLNT (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> MFMT (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:52 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 211 End (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:53 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> PWD (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:53 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 257 "/" is current directory. (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:53 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> TYPE A (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:53 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 200 Type set to A (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:53 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> PASV (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:53 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 227 Entering Passive Mode (123,123,0,1,173,143) (000011) 12/9/2008 8:07:53 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> LIST -a (000011) 12/9/2008 8:08:03 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 425 Can't open data connection. (000011) 12/9/2008 8:08:03 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> TYPE A (000011) 12/9/2008 8:08:03 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 200 Type set to A (000011) 12/9/2008 8:08:03 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> PASV (000011) 12/9/2008 8:08:03 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 227 Entering Passive Mode (123,123,0,1,173,143) (000011) 12/9/2008 8:08:04 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> LIST (000011) 12/9/2008 8:08:14 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 425 Can't open data connection. (000011) 12/9/2008 8:08:34 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> TYPE I (000011) 12/9/2008 8:08:34 AM - n1listings (REMOTE-IP-HERE)> 200 Type set to I

PrinzPH (talk) 00:13, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe File Transfer Protocol would be informative. --128.97.245.172 (talk) 00:16, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Just thought I'd share: Turned out to be a Windows Firewall issue... I initially allowed just port 21, when i set the exception to the server executable it worked. PrinzPH (talk) 20:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Defeating Rhapsody
How do I reset the whole 25-plays-a-month limit when the month hasn't ended yet? --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 03:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Um - that would be stealing. I don't think we really want to encourage that kind of thing. SteveBaker (talk) 04:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't download anything, I only listen, so no thievery involved here. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 04:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And yet--isn't that the whole point of a limit? You don't need to download anything to do something illegal.--Ibn Battuta (talk) 07:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If I can't keep the song then how's it illegal? --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 07:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Try Playlist.com. It's not all-inclusive, but it doesn't have a limit. flaminglawyerc neverforget 08:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So, your argument is "If I keep saying it can't be illegal, then it must be legal." Try using that in court. --  k a i n a w &trade; 13:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

You can't. You agreed to this licence when you signed up to the service, and attempting to circumvent the protection would both break the licence agreement, and may breach your local copyright laws, depending on where you live. Gunrun (talk) 09:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess you might be able to sign up for an additional account, but I don't know if that costs money or if it violates the EULA. Anyway, I use imeem.com (for free) to great effect, as I haven't yet not been able to find a song I wanted to listen to (and I listen to weird stuff!)  D a R kA g E 7 [Talk] 02:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for giving me an idea I just carried out. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 06:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Doesn't Rhapsody have a website that lets you listen to music for free? 216.239.234.196 (talk) 20:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

sending big files
How do you send big files (between 20 and 100MB)? I used to use Yousendit (before you had to register), and I wonder if there's still some (easy-to-use) option for which I don't have to register. (P2P won't work because of the receiver.) --Ibn Battuta (talk) 07:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Try Rapidshare, Megaupload, or Badongo. See Category:File hosting. Magog the Ogre (talk) 09:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've also seen FTP hosting services for as low at $5/month. Google "FTP Hosting" --70.167.58.6 (talk) 16:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Why are you recommending services with ridiculous captchas, lots of ads and forced waiting period before downloads? Those sites are good for warez but not for what the OP wants. I concur with grawity on drop.io. Also, you can set up a web server somewhere if you will be doing lots of transfers.
 * I like drop.io. --grawity 19:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Website
Is there a website where you can commission an artwork, say a painted sculpture, in ceramic, metal, or glass, where you pay who ever will do this for the least amount of money, and then say after a week (and that you can choose THIS time frame), noone can offer their price? (Like an ebay auction? (This is called best offer, I think.))  I know there's a website like this for like crafts, like for necklaces, and such.96.53.149.117 (talk) 08:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't speak for everyone, but I'm afraid I haven't the slightest what you're talking about. Could you please rephrase in different language? Magog the Ogre (talk) 09:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand - they're looking for a website where you post a description of a piece of art you want created and artists bid on the commission. Lowest bid wins, creates the piece and sends it to you. You can choose the time frame in which bids can be received (a week, a month...) — Matt Eason (Talk &#149; Contribs) 11:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * When you commission a piece of art, you are usually committed to paying for it at the agreed price once the artist has progressed beyond a certain (agreed) stage. Astronaut (talk) 13:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There would have to be some pretty serious controls. You ask for the MonaLisa and you get macaroni-on-cardboard with fingerpaint...you are not going to be pleased with the results.  The difficulty is that art is in the eye of the beholder and whether someone will like what they get is impossible to know.  How would you settle disputes?   "I asked for THIS and I got THAT so I'm not going to pay for it."...."But you asked for THIS and I gave you my artistic interpretation of THIS - which turns out to be THAT - so pay me right now!".   On something like eBay - you can see objectively whether what was delivered was what was advertised - and if it's not, you can return it.   But the trouble with bespoke art is that when you return the painting of your mother because it looks like a bunch of blue cubes with eyes stuck on at odd angles - the artist isn't going to be able to sell it to anyone else because they want paintings of THEIR mothers - not YOURS.  So either the artist has no guarantee of getting paid - or you have no guarantee of getting a piece of art that you think is worth what you paid. SteveBaker (talk) 15:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * None of this is unique to a web site, however. Anyone who commissions art is subject to just such a problem.  For example, the city of Detroit, Michigan commissioned a memorial to Joe Louis, looking for something to uplift Detroit, and got a giant fist instead: . StuRat (talk) 16:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Surely any self respecting artist (and art buyer) would be able to describe the 'style' of the art they are looking for. If you ask for a traditional portrait and get presented an impressionist one then you could maybe have a case for not paying. I would say SteveBaker makes good points but I do think they could be relatively to fix and so I wouldn't be too surprised to find a site like you are requesting online somewhere.194.221.133.226 (talk) 15:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

NOt sure for artwork from a sculpture/etc. perspective but a website called sitepoint is one for art in a logo/company branding kind of way. 194.221.133.226 (talk) 14:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If i understand the question correctly, i think the op is looking for something like http://www.getafreelancer.com/, but for artwork. PrinzPH (talk) 20:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I think the OP has identified a gap in the market, one that could quite profitably be filled. A few months ago the BBC ran a radio program about a lage community of artists in China who produced copies of old masters in large quantities (and by copies I do mean hand-painted). These were then sold (as copies; it's only forgery when you try to claim something really is the Mona Lisa) by an Australian bloke to shops in the west. While these guys specialised in mass production, they would do one-off copies of just about any painting, and they had guys who specialised in different styles. It was a bit sad, as they were all real artists, who could make more doing Rembrants and Monets than they could sell their own stuff for. I think a website with a decent reputation system and a system of staged payments would overcome SteveBaker's concerns; as StuRat notes, there's always a mitigable risk of misunderstanding between artist and patron ("I want one Christ, 12 disciples, no kangaroos, and I want it by Friday"). Imagine, say, you wanted a preraphialite painting of your wife to give her for Christmas. You'd go onto CustomArt or whatever and search for artists who do oil paintings in that style. For each they show a range of thumbnails of their work. You pick three or four that you like and send them a request-for-quote (you want a 3x2 foot oil painting in the style of Millais of a woman in dress). They reply with quotes (and maybe with other examples of relevant stuff they've done). You pick one, and deposit the fee in CustomArt's escrow. You send the artist photos of your wife and more detailed specs (blue dress, lacey collar, make her look more rosey cheeked). A few days later he sends a sketch or a quick colour study, or maybe two or three quick studies. You approve these (or answer his specific queries), release a staged payment from escrow, and he gets to work. Part way through (say he's just done the face) he sends you a photo; if you approve that he gets another stage payment from escrow and he goes to finish the work. Finally you approve a photo of the final thing, he gets another payment, and he FedEx-es the painting to you. You receive it and release the final payment. You've gotten a bespoke (ish) painting to your specification by someone on the other side of the world, all for maybe $700. Bargain 87.114.128.88 (talk) 01:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Need to automate listbox in MS ACCESS 2003 like the one in MS EXCEL when we go to Menu: Format..Cells
Need to automate listbox in MS ACCESS 2003 like the one in MS EXCEL when we go to Menu: Format..Cells. On 'Number' tab, select number in 'Category' listbox and a 'Decimal places' listbox appears. This listbox changes the listindex value (ie the item selected) when we click on the up or down scrollbars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.14.53.178 (talk) 12:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Converting Indeo AVIs into something current
I'm a Mac user and Indeo codecs will never be made into Mac OS X compatible code. Indeo for Mac only runs on Mac OS 9, but Mac OS 9 "Classic" has been eliminated from Mac OS X 10.5. So I'm stuck with a collection of unplayable Indeo-encoded AVIs. If I fire up Boot Camp and go to WinXP, what are some free converters that will allow me to convert these old Indeo movies into something more modern, like h.264 .M4Vs or Quicktime MOVs? --70.167.58.6 (talk) 15:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Try VirtualDub. APL (talk) 16:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The article indicates that some versions can be read by FFmpeg—you might try ffmpegX? --98.217.8.46 (talk) 01:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)