Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2010 November 12

= November 12 =

Gmail Offline: still https?
Hi all-- is Gmail offline still over https, as opposed to http? -- 99.228.64.60 (talk) 03:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Gmail as webmail is accessed over a HTTPS connection. If you mean connecting to your Gmail account via IMAP in order to download/transmit messages, yes, that is also conducted (with Microsoft Outlook) over a HTTPS connection. However, I am a user of Outlook and Gmail, so I can only speak for Microsoft Outlook as the email-client. Other email-clients may or may not connect to Gmail over a secure connection. IDK. Rocketshiporion ♫ 08:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sure the OP means this, not just an IMAP connection. --Mr.98 (talk) 12:38, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry but what? If you're using IMAP, you're using IMAP. HTTPS (or HTTP) isn't involved. As our article mentions, there are 2 methods to use IMAP over Transport Layer Security and IIRC Gmail supports one of them. Outlook would use that if it's enabled/set up properly. However HTTPS would still not be involved. Also Gmail is not always accessed over HTTPS. The authentication should be but Gmail itself can be accessed over HTTP if you try to. There is an option to force HTTPS in the general account settings and it may or may not be enabled by default (can't remember). Nil Einne (talk) 15:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I should have mentioned at the start, I mean Gmail Labs' offline feature, via the now defunct Google Gears. --  Zanimum (talk) 16:58, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Dual graphics cards
I am planning on buying a laptop which has an Intel Core i3 processor and an ATI MOBILITY RADEON HD5470 graphics card. The Intel i3 processor has good integrated graphics so I was wondering if that means that I will have dual graphic 'cards'. Games like Call of Duty 4 have the option in the video settings of 'Dual Video cards'. I never enabled it since i didnt have that, but could I do it with this laptop? Does both a dedicated graphics card and integrated graphics mean that my overall graphics performance will be really good? Thanks. --116.71.62.207 (talk) 09:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * For laptops, that means "the best of both worlds".


 * Integrated graphics = better battery life with mediocre performance
 * Discrete graphics = mediocre battery life with pretty decent performance

This is probably one reason why we don't see an argument about this on the desktop market. Being connected to a power supply all the time, these computers do not need to conserve power (well, it is not a top priority anyway).

It all depends on the computer you are getting. From a personal level, the advice I can give you is this -- if you play games on steam and need a computer now, do not get nvidia optimus. I have it (GeForce GT 325M) and it is stupid as far as steam is concerned. Kushal (talk) 03:54, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Let me try to answer your question. My answer is "No". It is (in almost all cases) an either or scenario, meaning you are either using the integrated graphics or the discrete graphics. Newer monkeys like Optimus can do nice tricks (switch graphics card on the fly if it understands a change is needed, without rebooting) but overall, your graphics will not improve from having both. For that, you need something like SLI. See Scalable Link Interface. Kushal (talk) 03:58, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * ATI Hybrid Graphics actually does run both GPUs simultaneously to improve performance, and is available on some laptops. I think it's invisible to games, which just see the equivalent of a faster graphics chip. I get the impression that it doesn't work with Intel GPUs, but I'm not sure. -- BenRG (talk) 06:02, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Master Proxy Server Setting
My school has a internet service for students with laptops, but to use it I have to change the proxy server settings of my browser and any other program I want to use. This is time consuming and annoying, and I have to change it all again when I get home. Also, some programs don't even have proxy server settings so I can't use them at all at school. So in Windows 7 is it at all possible to set a master proxy server setting that every program uses for the internet, rather than manually changing them all individually? Thanks for the help —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.78.103.160 (talk) 11:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't answer this, but I made this question into a new section for you. In future, please do not forget to add a title to your questions. --  KägeTorä - (影虎)  ( TALK )  13:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Time Machine restore won't accept my password
The wife got a new computer and I got her old one, a Mac Pro. It's an upgrade for me (old system is a PowerMac G4). I did a fresh install of OS X 10.5 and then used a TM back up to install all my personal files/settings. The old system was running 10.5 as well. Now that I've gone through the install and restore from TM, the system won't accept my password. It's not the caps lock. I've even tried things like 'Admin' and just entering a blank password. Any ideas what's going on here and how I can fix it? Dismas |(talk) 16:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Got it worked out. The install disc allows you to reset the password.  Dismas |(talk) 02:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Ruby Programming Question
Hi:) Is it possible, in Ruby, to make a class whose objects will share data and methods with given object as if it were internal to each; or just to it? For example; suppose I have Would there be a simple way to set this up so that every time I make an Item object it would use the data and methods specific to some Bag object? I want to do this without having to redefine fivetimes or having to explicitly write attr_reader's etc; I am using this for something much more complicated and if I could share data/methods it would reduce the complexity greatly:) [Essentially, I want to make objects that are related to another object just like subclasses are related to classes] Thank you for any help:-) 71.61.7.220 (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

problem in using multiple ask transmitters
There are some interference while using more than one ask transmitters in same locality,even the datas are encoded for each transmitters.How to avoid this problem or what is the additional circuitry which should be used.are there any alternative way of transmitting of signals at nearer distances(10 metres). my mail address: Email-address removed - we will answer your question here. wikipedia logname:vinodhp —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinodhp (talk • contribs) 17:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * These transmitters all are operating in the same frequency? -Yyy (talk) 09:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * In case it is not clear, the OP is asking about amplitude-shift keying transmitters. As with any shared communication channel, there is a possibility of a communication collision.  Typically, this must be handled with a low-level protocol.  This can take the form of either:
 * Carrier sense multiple access with collision avoidance - in which the transmitters are hard-wired to never transmit at the same time (like a very simple TDMA scheme); or
 * Carrier sense multiple access with collision detection, in which transmitters may transmit at any time, but must constantly monitor the signal and take note if another transmission starts simultaneously, interfering with the channel. If two (or more) transmitters are active, one or both (or all) must cease transmission and "take turns."  This may require a complicated cooperative scheduling technique.
 * These systems have different best, worst, and average efficiency. In collision-avoidance schemes, the full channel capacity is not used unless all transmitters are active at the same time - so it suffers from worse average-case performance; but it has much better worst-case-performance (no bandwidth is ever wasted due to collision and retransmission).  In collision detection schemes, the channel suffers worse worst-case performance; and if poorly implemented, communication can deadlock.  But because the channel allocation is dynamic, it is possible to achieve far better peak-performance if only one transmitter is requesting access at a given instance.  When interrupted by another transmitter, a collision is detected (and hopefully resolved).  Many sophisticated algorithms exist for collision detection; exponentially-weighted random retransmit delay is the most straightforward and commonly-implemented system.  Nimur (talk) 20:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Most compact programming language
What programming language is the most compact, and can do the most with the least number of words? I know that at least one language uses single-characters rather than words, but I do *not* mean compact in that sense. Thanks 92.28.248.229 (talk) 17:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The Lambda Calculus has only three forms: abstraction (creating an anonymous function), application (applying a function), and variable reference (using the argument of a function). The usual notation requires just lambdas, periods, parentheses, and identifiers.  At first, it's not obvious how it's possible to represent all computation in it (all values are functions), but it is possible, and its simplicity makes it an ideal subject for programming languages research.  There's also something really pleasing about it that I can't quite explain.


 * There's also itoa, which has only two symbols, but it's just an esoteric language.


 * If you're interested in programming languages that people write software in, then Smalltalk and C are both candidates. Paul (Stansifer) 18:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think it would be a contender in the sense that you asked, but BBC Basic, with its mixture of abbreviated commands and direct memory operators, could be amazingly compact in the sense of compressing an enormous amount of code into 32KB of RAM. I don't suppose anyone uses it these days, but I'm still intending to resurrect an old BBC (Acorn) when I have nothing else to do.    D b f i r s   18:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure the Lambda Calculus is a programming language? It does not have any entry here: http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/ Where would I get an interpretor or compiler for it from? Wouldnt the 99BOB task be very long-winded and un-compact? 92.28.248.229 (talk) 19:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps my question has been misunderstood. I don't mean which programming language has the least number of words, I mean which language could you write a program for, for example, the "99 bottles of bear" task which would require the least number of words to be used. So for example "for n = 1 to 99" would be six words, and "& " £ ~ _ $" would be six words as well. A language which required you to write something like "Define an entity n Define number 1 Define number 99 Do for every n from number equals 1 to number equals 99 increment equals 1" would be far less compact.

In effect I'm asking something like: which of the programs in the 99 bottles of beer website is the shortest (disregarding the length of the words used). Thanks 92.28.248.229 (talk) 19:46, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * A lot of the programs on that site are written in a non-minimal way. I would still say something like APL can be the most terse, even leaving aside its single-character keywords.  As for languages in widespread use I would put Perl up against most contenders.  Perl programmers have even made a game out of it in Perl golf. --Sean 20:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The problem with this question is that most programming languages are "functional" - meaning that they are designed to allow users to expand on the language by writing their own functions. As such, many people write libraries of functions to expand on the functionality of the language.  So, this question is basically asking which language has the most functions written such that anything you want to do can be done in one function.  Well, tell me what you want to do and I can write a function to do it in just about any language.  Then, in your program, you include my library and write a single function call.  That is pretty compact for you.  If you try to argue that the function I wrote is not very compact, then I can argue back that any function you try to use in any programming language is eventually going to become machine language - which is not compact at all.  In the end, this just becomes a matter of rationalizing what functions are considered part of the language and which are not. --  k a i n a w &trade; 21:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * (That's not what functional language means. Every practical language supports software libraries, even imperative languages.  Paul (Stansifer) 22:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC))
 * That is the reason "functional" was put in quotes. It is not being used to define functional languages.  It is being used to define languages with allow functions - pretty much every programming language. --  k a i n a w &trade; 15:42, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you're still talking about libraries, not functions, though. Consider FP, an impractical programming language that has functions, but not libraries, and then consider the scene description language for POV-Ray, which lacks functions (as we ordinarily understand them), but has a Turing-complete macro system, whose macros you can import via libraries.  And they're not called "macros" for nothing; they are really a textual abstraction instead of an abstraction over values.  It's wonky, but it works. Paul (Stansifer) 16:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

The solution to your problem is to include the writing of the function within the total program size. 92.28.248.229 (talk) 22:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Simplicity of language is a totally different goal from compactness of programs. It's also quite hard to define, except for specific problems.  So, for your example, HQ9+ is the obvious winner, since the program that prints the lyrics is just one character long.  The language accomplishes this by sacrificing other problems; most languages choose to use the character   for something more generally useful.


 * That said, compactness in general is something quite desirable. Languages renowned for compactness include Lisp, Perl, and (although this is one that I'm more skeptical of) Forth, and all their relatives.


 * The reason that the Lambda Calculus doesn't show up on that list is that it's a theoretical language. There's no such thing as output, just computation (though it's not hard to imagine tacking output on).  (Actually one of my professors would kill me if I didn't mention that, technically, it's not a language until you choose an evaluation strategy for it.  But this is a minor detail from the perspective of this discussion, since many programs behave the same regardless of evaluation strategy.)  Paul (Stansifer) 22:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I would disagree. From reading the comments which doesn't require any character is surely the real winner. Nil Einne (talk) 13:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Did you overlook the second word in the question? 92.28.248.229 (talk) 22:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I have a tendency to just say "language" when I mean "programming language". I actually managed to make the reverse mistake today, too, when I made a comment about the language Lojban without saying that it was a human language, not a programming language.   Paul (Stansifer) 01:08, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Would you consider the 4GL and 5GL languages in your equation? If so, they can be remarkably compact, as they don't need to focus on control flow and the higher level of abstraction can be a major advantage. The question is also a tad dependent on the task. For example, if I wanted to do text manipulation, then Perl's regular expressions allow very complex tasks in very few lines. Languages tend to be good at particular tasks, so to some extent the task determines the compactness. (For example, you could do a GUI in BASIC, and I have, but it is much more compact to do it in Java. But Java is pretty complex for simple console output, while BASIC is quite good at that). Is there a specific type of task you have in mind? - Bilby (talk) 22:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, what languages did you have in mind? 92.24.191.57 (talk) 12:39, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Microsoft's contract with purchasers/users
When Microsoft says things like "We are not going to support Windows 99 any more" or "We're closing down the online games server for WinXP" (GrrrRRRH!!!) isnt this breaking their contract with the people who bought their software/OSsystems? If not, why not? Thanks. 92.28.248.229 (talk) 18:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * It's impossible to answer this without actually reading the license agreement for the particular software you're asking about. (Technically it's not a contract.)  Microsoft's attorneys are smart enough to craft the license agreement to say things like "Microsoft only guarantees until December 31, 2005 that such-and-such online features will be operational."  The license from any software publisher is generally crafted in order to maximize the publisher's "wiggle room" to do things like cancel online services.  As far as support goes, Microsoft is more explicit about this than any other company I can think of: this page mentions their "lifecycle information", so you can find out things like:  Windows 98 support started 6/30/1998; the "mainstream support" ended 6/30/2002; and the "Extended support" (paid incident support) ended 7/11/2006.  What I find interesting, and a legally untested area, is what happens if Microsoft finally ends Windows XP support, including security updates, once and for all, while a very large base of Windows XP machines remains out there, and Microsoft will be seen as doing nothing to stop botnets when it finally stops issuing security patches.  Comet Tuttle (talk) 18:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * PS: Laws override license agreements and contracts, so if Microsoft had claimed on the Windows XP box that Microsoft will run some Windows XP online games server forever, then if Microsoft were to shut it down, consumers could sue Microsoft in their state's courts for things like false advertising.  The strongest remedy in that case would probably be a refund of the purchase price.  But, again, the lawyers of most any large software publisher are canny enough to avoid making unbounded promises on their product packaging.  Comet Tuttle (talk) 18:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

How do I force a window (e.g. Notepad) to float on top in Microsoft WindowsXP
(I am using Microsoft WindowsXP,Home Edition, Version 2002,Service Pack3). Sometimes I would like to "pin down" another window (Notepad or an open folder etc.) such that it stays floating on top of the other open windows – especially my active web-browser window. How do I do this? --Seren-dipper (talk) 18:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I do not remember any sort of functionality like that in WinXP. I do remember a program called "Nail It" that provided that functionality.  I Googled and there are many hits for a program called "Nail It" that claim to keep windows floating on top of all other windows. --  k a i n a w &trade; 18:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Google search for "always on top" in quotes returns a lot of programs that claim to do what you want, many of them free. I tested this one and it works as advertised 82.44.55.25 (talk) 22:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you both! :-) --Seren-dipper (talk) 04:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Strange infection/virus/bot?
I have a potentially long question but will try to be brief. Without me even being at my desk, my computer seems to be typing things, or making random keystrokes, or even worse, clicking my mouse. I`ve found my mail open, control Panel open, My Computer open, and at least twice, my WEBCAM ON!!!! I`ve changed hard-drives several times. I have even changed computers. Not one of my anti-virus programs seems to be able to find anything wrong. I have "AVG-FREE", "AVAST", Windows Firewall, whatever AOL has running, etc... This problems is not with AOL, as the problem was occuring before I installed AOL on a 'new' hard-drive. I`d really love to rid myself of this problem, as you can probably imagine how disconcerting it is to find one`s WEBCAM on, for no reason. Thank you for any help you might be able to deliver. If more information is required, please don`t hesitate to ask: I`ll be watching. TY, DAVE 24.138.176.63 (talk) 20:05, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Could you explain what exactly you mean by saying your webcam is on? My Webcam has a green light that's turned on whenever the Webcam is plugged into the machine; that just means it's powered on, but doesn't mean it's capturing any frames of video and sending them to the bad guys.  Comet Tuttle (talk) 21:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * What operating system are you using? --Belchman (talk) 22:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I`ve reverted to Windows XP sp2, but HAD sp3. No change. ty, Dave24.138.176.63 (talk) 22:14, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I did not know how to add to your question, and, as such, had to reply as another question.
 * What I meant by 'webcam on' was my built-in webcam, in my Dell SP2008WFP monitor. The tiny blue light is only on when I`m capturing. I tried to keep my original post brief, but many other strange things have happened. ONE good example is my sound being muted. Another is being shutdown, as though one went through the process of doing that by clicking on   , with the associated loss of color on the screen. VERY weird. TY again, DAVE24.138.176.63 (talk) 21:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You would hit the "Edit" link to the right of their question and put your response at the bottom. You can use colons : to indent your response.  I have done this for you.  Dismas |(talk) 22:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * You might have very strong electrical interference which creates false results. I had this problem when a central heating system would send out "spark" interference (from the thermostat?) when it heated. 92.28.248.229 (talk) 22:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I`ve been at the same station for about 5 years. I very much doubt that ONE "spark" could perform a proper shutdown procedure? Said "spark" also seems to like opening my calculator and Windows Media Player. Sorry,,,,I ju8st don`t think it`s a "spark". Please pardon the sarcasm. Thank you just the same, 92.28. DAVE 24.138.176.63 (talk) 22:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Further, I have decent surge/electrical protection. This problem started about six weeks ago, on multiple drives, and on two separate computers. I`m no longer using my Dell monitor until this is solved. I sure hope this helps someone to diagnose this pesky malware. TY, DAVE 24.138.176.63 (talk) 22:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The sparking I had would continue for several seconds and sends out strong radio random interference on all frequencies, not a sudden "snap", some of which your computer would interperate as commands. Six weeks ago - did your heating come on then? If you are using a wireless mouse and keyboard its even more likely. 92.15.7.155 (talk) 15:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Does anyone else have physical access to your pc? this could be some sort of VNC or possibly a rootkit. Try using MS Rootkit Revealer and also check your startup programs for anything suspicious (start -> run -> msconfig or maybe go into the registry \\hklm\software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\run) PrinzPH (talk) 01:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Noone has physical access. I`ll try your suggestions. Tyvm,  Dave 24.138.176.63 (talk) 01:14, 13 November 2010 (UTC)u
 * RootkitRevealer, umm, revealed these two 'things':

HKLM\SECURITY\policy\secrets\SAC and HKLM\SECURITY\policy\secrets\SAI. Should I be concerned? If so, what should I do next? I didn`t quite understand what a read about the 'revealer' on its page. TY, Dave 24.138.176.63 (talk) 01:49, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I should have probably added this additional information about above:

Timestamp: 11/9/2010 10:47 AM for both. Size: 0 bytes  for both. Description: Key name contains embedded nulls [*] for both. Sorry for failing to recognize my omition in previous. Dave 24.138.176.63 (talk) 01:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as I know those two keys (with the embedded nulls) are normal and not a sign of malware. This sounds to me like a dodgy keyboard (or possibly a dodgy mouse or other hardware). All of the effects you've seen could be triggered by keypresses. For example, some keyboards have a key that's dedicated to opening your email program, and even if yours doesn't it might be mistakenly sending that key code to the OS. Pressing Alt+F4 with the desktop selected will open the shutdown dialog, there's probably a key combo to enable/disable the webcam, and so on. Do the two computers with this problem have any hardware in common? -- BenRG (talk) 05:42, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a longshot, but are you using wireless keyboard/mouse? If so, try switching to wired ones. APL (talk) 08:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * if u are using internet someone could be controlling your desktop remotely i dont have much information on this but if you want you could read about it searching on Google. a site as i was told helps you to do it ie logmein.com this piece of information i got from Youtube take ur comp to some bot completion n u will get Ist prize, really awesome if its happening all by itself--Myownid420 (talk) 17:23, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you all. A couple of more clues: First, I AM using a wireless mouse (will change, as per instruction) and further, the receiver 'accepts' keyboard commands also. (Keyboard went kaput after a beer accident!) Second, all suggestions regarding remote-controlling are inapplicable as this problem occurs even when removing my Ethernet line, and completely offline. Third, and last for now, my keyboard DOES have a few Special Keys. I`ll change k/boards. Both computers shared said mouse and keyboard. Thank you all for your help. I`ll keep you apprised. Ohh,,,The webcam was built-into the monitor. I`m no longer using it, and therefore no more webcam until this problem is solved. I swear Myownid, all by itself! It shutdown on me overnight, while scanning with SpyBot. Thank you again, Dave. 24.138.176.63 (talk) 17:41, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Could this be one of those well-known office pranks? Someone has probably plugged a wireless receiver into one of your rear USB ports and is controlling your PC from their wireless mouse/keyboard. Is your PC in an office environment? Check who's sitting behind you and trying very hard to contain their laughter. They could also have installed AutoHotkey or some scripting program or even just messed around with Task Scheduler to run applications at certain times of the day or based on certain triggers. Zunaid 13:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Now THAT would be absolutely hilarious, Zunaid, but I`m not in an office, I`m at home. Follow-up though: I have isolated the 'malware' to my receiver. Having un-plugged it, no more 'hits'. The only problem left now is to find what is, since about 6 weeks ago, sending the 'commands' that my receiver is picking up. I suspected a remote thermometer, but I was still getting 'hits' after removing its batteries. I suspected that these cheap radios do not have the best selectivity and thought maybe installing batteries into the broken keyboard might 'lock it in', and stop spurious hits. (The keyboard still transmits, in case someone was wondering. Just a few keys no longer work. "ZXCV" specifically.) I still continued to get 'hits'. Knowing the frequency this wireless set operates on would certainly help me find the culperate. Does anyone know where I might find that out? It is not printed on any of the pieces, and I bought used, so, as such, no written information. I know 6 weeks sounds coincidental with heat being turned-on, and a thermostat could be causing the problem, but I`ve been here for over 7 years, and it never happened before. Unless my neighbor installed a new thermostat, or the thermostat has gotten 'dirty', or whatever, I have to think it must be something else. I`ll check. Thank you ALL for your input. I`m very happy to know this is NOT some sort of virus. Maybe my receiver has begun 'accepting' too much. Apologies for being so wordy. Sincerely, Dave 24.138.176.63 (talk) 21:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Want MORE browser history
Searched the archives and the browser history wikipedia page, no answer there. Unlike most folks, interested in cleaning out their browser history, I'd like the history to be 'more complete; maybe you've noticed that a lot of times when you open the history, many pages you've accessed are not listed. Not just that it's one page with a bunch of frames that change or some sort of JS that changes the contents, but the whole site does not get saved in history. Makes it harder when I want to look back at something particular I saw that morning on somebody's blog, etc. that doesn't really popup on top of a Google search among a zillion pages on the topic that don't address what I was looking for. This seems to be true in IE and Chrome, anyway. What's the deal?

Gzuckier (talk) 22:36, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Me too. I would also like the history to be saved categorised by date, so that you can go back to something you saw five weeks ago on a Tuesday. And I'd like History to be back-upable and reloadable. And I'd like it no longer revealed to websites either. Can any Firefox extensions do this? 92.24.191.57 (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)