Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2007 November 1

= November 1 =

Traditional animated films
Which was the most recent traditionally-animated film (ie, not computer animated) to get a wide release? zafiroblue05 | Talk 00:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Our traditional animation article says the "last major feature film to use traditional ink and paint was Studio Ghibli's Princess Mononoke (1997); the last animated series to do so was Ed, Edd n Eddy." Rmhermen 01:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Note that the previous answer refers to the last productions without any use of computers, even for filling in colors in hand drawn frames. This level of computer input doesn't make a noticeable impact on the final product, but does lower costs and increase production speed.  This is in contrast with full computer animation, which produces features with a completely different look (Shrek, for example).  Many productions don't use this level of computer input, since some things, like showing facial expressions, are quite difficult (but not impossible) to create, using nothing but computers. StuRat 11:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think you should consider this as an all-or-nothing thing. Remember the traditional process:  Master animator draws key frames,  maybe one or two per second.  Apprentice animators fill in the 'tweens' (the "in between" frames)to get 10 or 20 frames per second.  These are copied onto transparent cels ("cellophane sheets" - although I'm sure they are acetate or something these days) - then 'inked' to make the thin pencil lines nice and thick and solid.  Next 'paint' comes along and paints in the solid areas with colour.  Finally someone takes the background art and foreground cels and layers them in the right order and photographs them ("compositing").


 * Any or all of those steps (key-frames, tweens, cels, ink, paint, compositing) can be computerised - and the effect on the final movie depends on how many of those you automate. It really doesn't make any difference whether you use a human to ink and paint the frames or a computer - the results with modern software are pretty much identical - and compositing by computer simply saves manpower over photographing cels.  The main concern is how the lines were drawn in the first place - and even then, using a computer to do tweening produces results that are at least as good as human tweening (probably better because it's cheaper - so you can choose to do more frames per second to get fluid motion where you artistically need it without having to worry about cost).


 * That leaves you the question of how the keyframes are drawn - and that is where using a computer changes the master animators style and makes a huge difference to the end-result.  So the question is how the keyframes were drawn - and I'm pretty sure that quite a few studios still do that by hand using a flip-pad.


 * SteveBaker 13:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * So name a few. I bet its fewer than you think. It was a big deal a couple years ago when Disney laid off many animators to go CGI and news again when they announced a limited return to traditional animation (Walt Disney Animation Studios). If even "the Mouse" avoids it, who else could afford it? Rmhermen 17:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The Simpsons Movie, released this summer, is one. But you're right, there aren't many these days.  StuRat 23:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep - I saw one of the animators doing the flip book thing in one of the "making of" shorts that was shown around the time the movie was released. Although...parts of that movie are really obviously rendered in 3D with modern 3D software. SteveBaker 01:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Toys Я Us ad
I can't quite make out what is said in this TV ad, run in the US, and it's driving me nuts. A girl is sitting on her bed with her mother and says " get some more toys", then they look through the toy company's catalog. As best I can make out, the squeak is something like "wada hana han". Part of the problem is that it's right at the start of the ad, so I never seem to be paying attention. Can anybody hear it clearly ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by StuRat (talk • contribs) 11:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Its' something like "Raise your hand if you think we should pick out a few more toy?" I wish I did not know that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.56.16.94 (talk) 00:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

"Make some noise motherf*cker" / Upload questions
Hello. Firstly, have I done everything right? Fair use rational, editing, the file, etc.

Secondly, I was thinking about playing this at a party, however, I question the language involved. Am I correct that someone in the background is saying "Make some noise motherfucker" or are my ears teasing me? The song is a sample from "About U" by Ham & DNA.

Cheers. :) -- TV -  VCR   watch  14:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I can hear it too! Wow....I never knew! Way to go man...

!emit eerf fo tol a evah uoy woW

- ♥  ECH3LON   ♥  16:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

p.s. look at it in a mirror...


 * I hear "(Keep?) making noise..." but yes, you're right about the language. That part is pretty clear to me.  152.16.59.190 03:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Movie based on Marguerite Henry's children's novel King of the Wind....?
In the Wiki article for Marguerite Henry, there is a sub-article under her highlighted novel _King of the Wind_. In this sub-article, a claim is made that a movie was made of this novel in 1989. Would love to see it, but can find no metion of it in Netflix (largest film library i know about). I searched under "king of the wind", "godolphin arabian" and just plain Marguerite Henry's name as Netflix list writers and directors too. Would love to see this film, if there is one. Please tell me how you found it, if you do.

Thanks, Flyn Lindley —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.150.168.108 (talk) 18:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * IMDB is generally your best reference for film information like this. It's the OED to Netflix's Merriam-Webster.  Anyway, tortured analogies aside, here is the IMDB entry for King of the Wind.  -- LarryMac  | Talk  19:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Following up my own reply, that IMDB page indicates availability on VHS, but not DVD. -- LarryMac  | Talk  19:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)