Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2008 August 16

= August 16 =

Two related related cricketer and actor questions
Hi all - two questions related to cricket and acting:

1) Is Guernsey and former Hampshire cricketer Lee Savident the son of former Coronation Street actor John Savident? I know they're both from Guernsey, so chances are high that they're at least related.

2) What other cases are there of first-class cricketers who are sons of popular actors? I known of Jim Troughton, son of David and grandson of Dr. Who, but presumably there must be others...

Thanks in advance, Grutness...wha?  00:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Not quite in the "ball park" (not by a long shot, actually), but Betty Archdale was the sister of the actor Alexander Archdale. --  JackofOz (talk) 01:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In the right sport, but not the right relationship: Martin and Jeff Crowe are Russell Crowe's cousins.  Gwinva (talk) 22:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Most recent former Olympic discipline
Does anyone know which Olympic discipline (thinking of summer now, but winter interests me too, while we're at it) was most recently removed from the Olympics? Tug of war hasn't been part of the Olympics since 1920, for example, but I'm interested in the most recent former contest. Anyone know? ---Sluzzelin talk  02:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell, polo. Zagalejo^^^ 02:21, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, here's a source: . Baseball and softball will be discontinued in 2012. Zagalejo^^^ 02:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks for that surprising news, Zagalejo. After over 70 years of constant growth with no losses whatsoever, the committee is dumping baseball and softball for being "too American"? Tell that to the Cubans, Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese, South Koreans, and Australians (who have all won medals in these disciplines). ---Sluzzelin  talk  02:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See the comments further up this page - it's not that it's "too American", it's more that it's only played at a competitive level in a small number of countries - there's virtually no competitive baseball in either Europe, Africa, or western Asia, to start with - that cuts out about half the countries in the Olympics straight off. Grutness...wha?  00:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Which makes me wonder why they included these sports in the first place. Were they assuming they would spread to more countries?  --  JackofOz (talk) 22:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a constant struggle in international sport to get included on the Olympic Games program. There are limited numbers of spots for athletes; sports in the Games want to increase their representation, adding events and disciplines (where applicable) and sports not in the Games want to get in. When baseball was first included, it probably was widespread enough to make the cut; since then other sports may have overtaken it and been successful in applying for a position and others will have made a successful application for more positions. (For example, BMX racing was added for Beijing; women's Boxing will debut in London.) While the heavyweights like athletics, swimming, and football are all pretty safe, sports on the bubble - those with limited global reach or those which are less popular for spectators - need to continue to expand or risk being overtaken. - EronTalk 22:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Getting back to the original question, it all depends what you mean by "discipline" - Polo is the sport which was ditched most recently, but individual events within specific sports have been dumped far more recently - the pentathlon in 1980, for instance. Grutness...wha?  23:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Four events that disappeared between Athens and Beijing, off the top of my head: men's 10 metre running target, women's double trap, and men's and women's table tennis doubles (these were replaced by team events). There are probably others as well. -- Jao (talk) 22:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Picard face in hand
There is a famous image of Captain Picard with his face buried in the palm of his hand; see for example http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=picard+facepalm. Anyone remembers the exact context? --OKMNJIUHB (talk) 03:21, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm very curious as well, but I'm sure he's done it more than once. --Kjoonlee 07:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems to be the episode “Déjà Q”, based on footage found on Youtube (search terms mortal q). --Cinematical (talk) 01:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Guitar Hero I Bonus Song
The last bonus song on Guitar Hero I is called "Story Of My Love" by the band The Model Sons. I can't find any information on them, does anyone know their story? Or if they have other music? --MrE1 (talk) 04:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * They seem to be quite a minor/upcoming band. They have a myspace page. Fribbler (talk) 12:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Lin Miaoke
What do you think she feels right now from the scandal about the Olympic lip-synch? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Medal ceremony instrumental
Is there a name for the instrumental played at the medal ceremonies for the Olympics? &mdash;Kal (talk) 09:15, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The music played during the medal (or "Victory") ceremony is the national anthem of the Gold Medal winner, performed by the Bejing Symphony Orchestra. The orchestra apparently recorded 205 national anthems (and 2 additional for nations in the International Paralympic Committee) over the course of the past 2 years. They also have specific music to perform while the athletes walk to the podium, when their results are announced, and to play while they exit the venue. Those pieces were composed specially for the olympics, per the official Olympic blog here. An article on the recording of the pieces is here. UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 20:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was looking for the "specific music" you mentioned. Are those melodies available anywhere? &mdash;Kal (talk) 03:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Length of Metallica concert
hey, i don't really know how this works but I was wondering if anybody knew how long a Metallica concert goes on for?! I have no idea and need to figure out how I'm getting home so this would be a great help. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blowick (talk • contribs) 10:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, for the most part, that depends on how long Metallica wants to play in the first place, how many encores they do and stuff like that. There's no way to tell in advance, really. If it was me, I'd probably assume that they'll play for a couple of hours (and looking at reports from the previous gigs in the tour might give me a better idea of the length than that), plus at least a half an hour for the opening act, and of course, you can always count on a concert to start at least fifteen minutes late. So, you know, round it up to three hours. I'd be kind of confident with that. But really, there's just no way to know for sure. -- Captain Disdain (talk) 12:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Album booklets
Where can download booklets of music albums? David Pro (talk) 14:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Olympics medals tables
Do we have an expanded "Olympics medals table" that lists what the medals are as well as how many there are? EG -- SGBailey (talk) 15:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Mylandia Gold=3 [Snail racing 10m; Snail racing 20m; Pogo stick high jump] Silver=2 [Underwater poetry recital; paper dart throwing] bronze=2 [Paper dart medley; stone skipping on water]
 * etc etc
 * There are tables of current and discontinued sports in Olympic Sports. All award/awarded gold, silver and bronze medals AFAIK, though there are instances where multiple golds, etc. were given out. Clarityfiend (talk) 16:37, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's a New York Times link (login probably needed) that shows the number of medals awarded by country for each Olympiad. Clarityfiend (talk) 16:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That isn't what I was asking - although the info is useful to know - thanks. What I was wondering was if we had a page that provided the same information as 2008 Summer Olympics medal table but additionally listed what each medal was, thus "1 China (CHN) 27 13 7 47" would expand to "1  China (CHN) 27= (Gold event 1, Gold event 2, ..., Gold event 27) 13=(Silver event 1, ..., Silver event 13) 7=(Bronze event 1, ..., Bronze event 7) 47". From your reply above I'm asssuming we don't have such a page. Cheers -- SGBailey (talk) 18:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * See User:SGBailey/Sandbox (which being a sandbox may well chnage in a while...) for the start of what I mean - I've added the archery to the medal table as of today. -- SGBailey (talk) 20:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No, but you can check the performance of individual countries (e.g. Canada at the 2008 Summer Olympics), and that should show a breakdown of the medal count. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 21:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

BBC news] have an interactive medal table, where you can click to see in which events all the medals have been won. Gwinva (talk) 22:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Beau Bridges TV mini-series
Some years back, there was a Summer mini-series on TV in which Beau Bridges played a George Wallace-like Southern Governor with a Weeki Wachee-like swim-dancing wife. What was the NAME of that TV mini-series, please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by T lX$W7x05h^ (talk • contribs) 16:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC) My own memory seems finally to have answered my question: If I'm not mistaken, the name of the mini-series was "Maximum Bob". --T lX$W7x05h^ (talk) 17:24, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Bond, James Bond
Who authored this line, Ian Fleming or a screenwriter? Clarityfiend (talk) 16:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe it is not present in the books, but first appears in the film of Dr. No, where Bond is mimicking the way a woman (I think Sylvia Trench) has just introduced herself to him. Algebraist 17:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, that's wrong. The phrase goes back to Fleming's first James Bond novel, Casino Royale (1953).  --Anonymous, 03:47 UTC, August 17, 2008.
 * If you want to confirm this, do an Advanced Search in Google Books, specifying the book's title and the phrase. In the edition they have, it appears on page 44.  --Anonymous, exactly 24 hours later.
 * D'oh, memory fails again. Thanks. Algebraist 04:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Soooo, tell us Algebraist, now that your attempt at disinformation has failed, who do you work for? SMERSH or SPECTRE? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't really believe they're separate, do you? I work for the men behind them both. Algebraist 11:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Though the phrase has become a cliché in the films, I think it would have been a fairly normal and natural way for a man like Bond to introduce himself at the time of the novel, when being on first-name terms with someone was less common and took a while to achieve. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 07:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Luis Miguel
Which Luis Miguel albums have produced by himself? David Pro (talk) 19:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * David, this is another example of a question of yours that could easily be answered by reading the article about the subject. The discography section of the Luis Miguel article details who the producer for his various albums has been.  Dismas |(talk) 07:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Max Payne Movie Trailer
Does anybody know the song that plays in the trailer of max payne? please respond in my talk page or here. thank you. Neon6419 (talk) 18:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC) (question moved from Wikipedia talk:Reference desk - EronTalk 19:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC))
 * This question was asked on IMDb. Apparently it's Marilyn Manson's 'If I was your vampire'. Algebraist 19:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

AFA
I watched Argentina play the Netherlands in football/soccer in the Olympics, and I noticed that all the Argentine players, coaches, and even trainers had the AFA logos removed from their jerseys and polo shirts. Why? Is it some kind of Olympic rule? Thanks!--El aprendelenguas (talk) 21:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the IOC state that the only logo's that can appear on a shirt are those of the shirt maker (and only a small one) and an indication of the nation the wearer is representing. They do not allow a logo of an Association, Confederation or Club that the competitor represents. Brazil removed their CBF logo after the games had begun, the USA taped over theirs and the Nigerians replaced the NFA logo with their national Coat of Arms. Nanonic (talk) 23:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And just in case you were wondering, the exact rule is - "No form of publicity or propaganda, commercial or otherwise, may appear on persons, on sportswear, accessories or, more generally, on any article of clothing or equipment whatsoever worn or used by the athletes or other participants in the Olympic Games, except for the identification of the manufacturer of the article or equipment concerned, provided that such identification shall not be marked conspicuously for advertising purposes." FIFA - Games of the XXIX Olympiad Beijing Appendix A "bye-law to rule 53 of the Olympic Charter" (page 47) Nanonic (talk) 23:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

bert weedon guitarist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.14.143 (talk) 23:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

We are talking about THE AFA, right? Avnas Ishtaroth drop me a line  01:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, we're talking about the AFA. Nanonic (talk) 19:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)