Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2008 September 11

= September 11 =

onlines games that earns money
I was thinking of Entropia Universe but it might not be available in my country (Philippines). Are there any other online games that can earn money? Aside from online gambling of course (which might be illegal).-- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:57, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Some people run successful Second Life businesses, at least. Businesses and organizations in Second Life will give you some idea of what kind of opportunities there might be, or have been for others. I'm pretty sure that for every successful business there are a dozen that just die away, though, and actually making a living from Second Life may not be realistic, even if it is possible. -- Captain Disdain (talk) 07:41, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

harry potter/hogwarts castle detailed map
where can i get a hogwarts castle detailed map in the internet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Romeowildfire (talk • contribs) 10:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Does one even exist? I didn't think Rowling went in for such things. Algebraist 10:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've seen a website where a guy had built a miniature model of hogwarts and had the "blueprints" etc, but I can't find it... Though as with that and all other attempts on making a good detailed map, it's pretty impossible, mostly because of conflicting statements in the books themselfs. Plus stuff like "moving stairways" and if it was doors or passages that was in one place one only on Thursdays or something like that... &mdash; chandler &mdash; 10:42, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * additional info, "I haven't drawn [a floorplan of Hogwarts], because it would be difficult for the most skilled architect to draw, owing to the fact that the staircases and the rooms keep moving. However, I have a very vivid mental image of what it looks like." - J.K. Rowling, there probably is some info here, though haven't read it HPL &mdash; chandler &mdash; 10:45, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Rowling might not have made a map. But the H.P. franchise is not entirely in her hands anymore. Replica Maurader's Maps are available for sale here. There could be scans of these on the Internet, but they would be illegal copies. APL (talk) 14:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Canon is still controlled by her. And I doubt those things are canon, probably based of those damn movies &mdash; chandler &mdash; 17:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, they're not 'pure' and 'flawless' imaginary castle maps. -  Lamba  jan  17:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * "Canon" is a silly concept, anyway. It's entirely in the eye of the beholder. Why should you, Rowling, or anyone else tell me which version of the Harry Potter story I should 'believe'? And in what conceivable situation might I be in where precise, consistent knowledge of exact details of the Harry Potter story be of any great importance?  They're just make believe stories, not engineering manuals.  He asked for a map, that's a map. A nice looking one too.   The only problem is that he wanted a free one and I linked to a $35 one. Sorry. APL (talk) 18:25, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * With respect, it does have some utility in that if I drew a map of my bedroom, sold it as a "Non-canon" map of Hogwarts (wait for it, wait for it...) one would not be terribly surprised when the esteemed Rowling publishes a new Hogwarts novel (supposing that, as I believe she said, HP's story is done) (say... Hogwarts: The New Class!) and it does not match up with what I sold, versus such a map had it her blessing (which, most likely, would require it to diverge substantively from a map of my bedroom). That is, canon increases the likelihood of a lantern (huh, seems this usage is not in Wiki...) being utilized. 98.169.163.20 (talk) 00:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough.
 * The map I linked to is an official movie prop replica, so while perhaps not "canon" for the books, it would not be way out in right field. When I said that the concept of canon was silly, I did not mean to suggest that and random and silly thing can be considered part of any story, simply that it is natural for different tellings of a story, or different stories about the same characters to not entirely match perfectly in all details and that discusions of fictional "canon" are usually based on the assumption that make-believe should be held to some high standard of precision.  This sentiment was directed at Chandler's implication that the map was probably no good because you could go over it with a fine-toothed comb and find some trivial discrepancy between it an the books. APL (talk) 03:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

But things like the staircases and the room of requirements change all the time so no map could be accurate.hotclaws 03:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If I recall correctly, The staircases move in complicated, but predictable patterns. That could probably be notated somehow. APL (talk) 03:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Anyway, to answer the original question, Fantasy Maps has three items in their Harry Potter category. This also looks quite fun and makes me wish I was better at origami : Marauders' Map papercraft.  So, there's four maps on the Internet for you. Three are fan creations, and one is an advertisement for a video game.  Depending on what you're looking for either those, or the $35 movie prop replica is probably the best you're going to get.  Personally, I wish more fantasy authors would include maps like Tolkien did. That'd be great.APL (talk) 03:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Most do, or the old ones anyway. Dune, Earthsea and Discworld all spring to mind. Avnas Ishtaroth drop me a line  07:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Role of 19th century classical mass settings (e.g., Dvorak's mass in D Major)
Were these written with an intent of them being used as part of a mass celebration or as purely performance pieces using the mass texts in the same way that an opera composer uses the libretto? Donald Hosek (talk) 18:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The latter. Even today, 'classical' masses are used simply for entertainment purposes, and never replace any canonical parts of mass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.183.126.18 (talk) 01:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Although they are sometimes used with the organ reduction in the mass itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex16z (talk • contribs) 09:15, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've certainly been to Requiem masses where the setting was what you might call a "classical" one e.g. Faure or Duruffle. It's rare but they certainly can be used for that. Whether it was intended for that probably depends on the composer. DJ Clayworth (talk) 17:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)