Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2008 September 23

= September 23 =

Golf club rental in Bangkok
Hi. I'll be golfing around Bangkok for 4 days. Rather than hire a different set of clubs each day at a different course, I'd like to find one set that I can hire from a shop in Central Bkk, and play them all 4 days. I know there are many golf retail outlets in Thaniya Plaza, but haven't been able to find a website or shop name that indicates golf rentals. Can anyone guide me to some clubs? Thanks if you can help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.101.134.43 (talk) 10:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

1980s water wave machines?
Does anyone remember those late 70s/early 80s wave machines? It was blue oil and clear water in a long (12"?) narrow (2"?) rectangular lucite box which sat on a slowly rocking mechanism. Some models had a light built-in. It simulated ocean waves -- like a different take on lava lamps. What were those called? Is there a Wiki entry on them? --70.167.58.6 (talk) 17:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * According to our article Lava lamp, they (at least the ones manufactured by the company that made Lava Lites) were sold as the Wave Machine—redlinked, so I assume we have no article on them. You can see a rather oddball fluorescent model in action here. Deor (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You can still buy them. They aren't gone.  Every time I go into a Spencer's Gifts in a mall, they have one.  This is in the US, your milage may vary.  Dismas |(talk) 21:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Album with b&w cover art of a girl in a white dress mostly submerged underwater
What's that album where the cover art is a black & white photo taken underwater of a girl in a white dress who is mostly submerged except for her face? I recall seeing it in a few "best cover art" lists and things. Can't recall what it is now. Thanks NIRVANA2764 (talk) 20:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Is it possibly 'Where the Wild Roses Grow' By Nick Cave & Kylie Minogue:  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.202.144.223 (talk) 22:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This is frustrating. I know a lot of famous album covers, but I don't recognise this one from the description.  If it's taken underwater, and the girl's face is not submerged, then presumably that means her face is not shown? It doesn't sound like the Cave/Kylie, anyway. --Richardrj talkemail 15:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, her face is not being shown. All of her body except for her face is underwater, so you can't see her face in the pic. Just most of her body underwater. It's a pretty eerie image. Almost as eerie as the thought of Nick Cave collaborating With Kylie Minogue (which sadly is not the album I'm thinking of) NIRVANA2764 (talk) 16:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you're referring to this image, which is used in at least two album covers.-Tomdobb (talk) 16:45, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

NCAAF rule loophole
I vaguely remember watching a college football game last year that went to overtime (alternating possession). The offense threw an interception, and the defense (prior to INT) was running back the ball for a game-ending touchdown, but the player was brought down by his facemask. The referee threw the flag, but if I remember correctly, the penalty could not be assessed. All that happened was the drive was over and the (once) defense gained possession of the ball at the 25th yard line. Is this a rule loophole? I imagine it's not a big deal with the NCAA rules committee because it's such an uncommon circumstance, but is it true that after an INT in overtime, the (once) offense can commit any foul to bring down the player who made the INT without a penalty? Thanks!--El aprendelenguas (talk) 22:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * According to NCAA rules "Distance penalties against either team are declined by rule in extra periods (Exceptions: Penalties for flagrant personal fouls, dead-ball fouls and live-ball fouls treated as dead-ball fouls are enforced on the succeeding play)" (source, page 66). The question remains whether facemask penalties are live-ball fouls that are treated as dead-ball fouls. I cannot find a good source for that issue in that document but surely it is there. Assuming they aren't treated as dead-ball fouls then that is an interesting loophole.--droptone (talk) 11:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That was last year's Tennessee-Kentucky game, and as a UT fan, I was incensed -- and as somebody who gripes about bad rules anyway, only slightly less incensed. In this case it went above and beyond the rules loophole laid out above, though -- the foul occured at the end of the second possession of an OT period. Note that the rulebook fails to even address such a situation in their Examples, all of which are concerned with the first OT possession. Because the foul ended an entire overtime period, the whole thing was wiped. What really irks me is that the correct solution is arbitrarily closed by the very rule that ought to fix it (Rule 3, Section 2, Article 3 on p. 67): "A period shall be extended until a down (other than a try), free from live-ball fouls not penalized as dead-ball fouls, has been played." 3-2-3's normal provision is that the game can't end on a defensive penalty (as was the case here); rather, the offense is awarded an untimed down -- which, with the 15 yards from the penalty, would have put Tennessee in field goal range. However, the above rule notes that such a penalty is "declined" (rather than "not enforced") and 3-2-3 requires that the triggering penalty be "accepted" (rather than "called" or some other neutral language). The requirements between the two rules are written sufficiently that droptone's question of how live-ball fouls are treated is irrelevant: if treated live, they must be declined (and so do not trigger the provisions of 3-2-3) and if treated dead, they don't apply to 3-2-3 to begin with. — Lomn 13:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw the play El refers to above and thought the same thing. Coaches can tell their players, "If the other team intercepts the ball, do whatever you have to do to stop him from scoring -- trip him, throw your helmet at him, shoot him -- they can't penalize you." This clearly seems to be a major loophole in the rules. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

LF articles concerning Amphimbians in the artic circle
Do any amphimbians live in the artic circle? have not found any so far. Thank you for help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.188.121 (talk) 23:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You might do better to ask this on the science desk, but (to my surprise) yes, “Wood frogs can freeze solid, and they’ve been seen as far north as the south slope of the Brooks Range,” according to this.--Shantavira|feed me 11:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The Wood Frog is indeed one such amphibian. Its distribution map is here. The range for the entire order Anura (frogs and toads) is here. Two other candidates from this order are the Common Frog (range map here) and the Common Toad (range map here). The order Caudata (salamanders and newts) has a range that comes close to the Arctic circle (see here) but I don't know if any species crosses the line. Thylacoleo (talk) 02:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Here we go, the salamander in question would be the Siberian salamander, range map here - it's a pretty close call. Thylacoleo (talk) 02:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)