Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2009 August 17

= August 17 =

Popeye cartoons
In the 1980 movie "Popeye (film)," who was the male character who said several times that someone owed him an apology? Wimpy? Olive Oyl's father? Someone else? Edison (talk) 03:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * According to IMDb, it's Cole Oyl. Somebody owes me an apology for not checking there first, ack, ack, ack, ack, ack. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's how I recall it (Yes, I actually saw it. I was the one.) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 07:16, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Commercial
Please help me find this commercial. Its a punk kid waiting to cross the street. A grandma comes up to him, puts her arm around his and asks him if he needs help to cross the street. He says yes and they cross together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.176.13 (talk) 18:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Here you go. Technically it's a PSA (Public Service Announcement), not a commercial.  Took me forever til I remembered it was probably from the same people who brought us the "greatest hitter in the world." -- LarryMac  | Talk  19:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Baseball question
I recently came across a compilation of baseball "fights" on youtube. Most of these fisticuffs were sparked off by the pitcher hitting the batter's hand (or another part of his body) with the ball, and the batter going berserk (and often other team mates joining in). Is it clear that the pitcher's intent was malicious in these cases, that he intended to hurt the batter, or else why the violent reaction? I realize that balls come hard and fast and can hurt like hell, but accidental injuries happen in other sports too without the injured attacking the injurer. Also, are there rules against this kind of pitching? (I did search the articles on pitcher and baseball rules, but didnt' find the answer. I don't understand the game too well, so please make it a baseball-for-dummies answer). Thanks! ---Sluzzelin talk  20:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oftent times, the batter could be hit due to retaliation from an earlier beaning by the opposing team (See Kevin Youklis charging the mound last week). Or the batter may just be naturally violent. We have an article on bean ball that can give you some further reading. Livewireo (talk) 21:19, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec)Typically everyone on the field knows whether it was likely intentional, as it's usually based on the game situation. Umpires will issue warnings to the benches, and if it happens again, they will issue ejections. Dave Winfield made the interesting point on ESPN the other day, that pitchers nowadays don't know how to nudge the batter away from crowding the plate without hitting him, and that's why these beanball fights can erupt. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 21:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes it is against the rules (the batter automatically advances to first base if hit by a pitch.) Injuries do happen and one Major Leaguer died that way (in 1920) 75.41.110.200 (talk) 23:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not all hit-by-picthes are intentional, though many are. There are several causes; first is that picthers may lose control of the pitch.  Second, a pitcher may try to pitch "inside" on a batter that is "crowding the plate" and they may get hit that way.  Third is that a pitcher may intentionally strike a batter; as noted everyone in the game knows when this is the case.  Usually, if a pitcher on one team accidentally beans a batter, the beaned batters team feels the need to "retaliate".  Its kinda bullshit, if you ask me.  More commonly, a pitcher will throw behind a batter, as if to say "yeah, I missed you this time, but I could have hit you".  Other famous HBPs include Tony Conigliaro, a young rising star with the Red Sox who's eyesight was ruined by a beanball during the Sox "Impossible Dream" season of 1967.  -- Jayron  32  01:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not exactly "against the rules" to hit the batter, but there are 3 rules that cover the situation:
 * 5.09(a) Batter is hit by pitch while in batting position: Ball is "dead"; batter advances to first and other runners advance if forced. Except...
 * 6.05(f) Batter swings at strike 3 and the ball hits him: Batter is out.
 * 8.02(d) Pitcher intentionally pitches at batter (whether he hits him or not): Umpire may eject the pitcher (and optionally the manager); or he may issue a warning that the next such intentional act by any pitcher will result in ejection of the pitcher (and optionally the manager).
 * Before helmets came along and batters got much bolder about crowding the plate, the umpires were inclined to kind of take a hands-off approach unless things got really serious. This old approach was echoed in a funny scene in Field of Dreams. The young Archie Graham is decked twice, after he winked at the pitcher to try to rattle him. After the second one, he gets up and says, "Hey, ump, how about a warning?" The ump says, "Sure," looks toward the pitcher momentarily, then turns back to Archie and says, "Watch out you don't get killed!" Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 02:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the interesting and informative answers and links! Having seen where it links to, I would have never found the beanball article while searching more general articles on baseball. I didn't know baseball too could be nasty, thanks again! ---Sluzzelin talk  14:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Tony Conigliaro's career was basically ended by being hit by a pitch. I hope David Wright's injury is not anywhere near so severe. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 18:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)