Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2009 December 13

= December 13 =

Sad songs worth sampling
I'm currently working on producing a downbeat rap album, I am currently stuck on finding a suitable sample for a song about unrequited love. I'm not usually one to fail to find records, but I've been looking for the past couple of weeks and so far have only really come up with "Land of Make Believe" by Bobby Sherman (which, I am told, was already sampled by JMT). Ideally (but if the song you'd recommend does not fit into this, feel free to recommend it anyway) I'd like something which I can both isolate a short instrumental (without drums, or with drums faintly) part from which I can sample, and a short vocal part which sums up the mood. The 60's and 70's seem to be the surest bet. Whilst finding the record to sample is usually half the fun, this time I am utterly stumped at finding one to sample from. Thanks in advance for the advice. :) Chris Rocen (talk) 00:42, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there are plenty of them - first one that comes to mind is Lobo's "I'd Love You to Want Me" Grutness...wha?  00:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Not exactly rap, but a good downbeat love song is, "He Stopped Loving Her Today". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The Flying Machine (band), 1969 "Smile A Little Smile For Me" Bus stop (talk) 01:21, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ain't No Sunshine by Bill Withers? Although I'm pretty sure I have heard a sample of that in something before. Adam Bishop (talk) 01:21, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

There is a song called "Ghost" by a little known band named House of Heroes. It's an extremely sad (on the verge of depressing) love song about a man who makes mistakes and loses the love of his life. The lyrics are here: Ghost Lyrics Hope that helps. Moptopstyle1 ("I Feel Fine.") (talk) 05:35, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help guys, tried out everything listed here, "Ain't No Sunshine" wasn't sampled by DMX, but he did do an interpretation of it -- anyway, Ain't No Sunshine seems to work well. Thanks a lot, everyone. :) Chris Rocen (talk) 13:25, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Presumably you're aware of Gloomy Sunday - don't know if it'd suit your purpose though. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 17:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I remember that Venetian Snares used it in Rossz, but that's all I really remember, to be honest I'm wanting to go for more of a soul(ish) feel on this track, hence my '60's/70's' comment. Thanks anyway. :) Chris Rocen (talk) 23:50, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I thought of Goin' Out of My Head by Little Anthony and the Imperials, and then I also saw their Hurt So Bad. All really sad and unrequited; I'm not so sure of the drums. Catrionak (talk) 21:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Another depressing 60s song with minimal drums is Just My Imagination (Running Away with Me) by the Temptations. Adam Bishop (talk) 09:14, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Identify the Song
It occurs at around the 1:45 mark in this video. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbe69h_manchester-city-v-chelsea_sport

Thanks in advance. Hasanclk (talk) 08:22, 13 December 2009 (UTC)Hasanclk


 * It actually starts a good 8-10 seconds before the 1:45 mark.

Hasanclk (talk) 08:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That's "Right Here, Right Now" by Fatboy Slim. Chris Rocen (talk) 13:13, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sweet. Thanks a lot, mate.Hasanclk (talk) 23:54, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem mate. Chris Rocen (talk) 23:59, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Mid 1980s version of Siskel and Ebert's TV show
Quick question: was it called "Siskel & Ebert AT the Movies" or "Siskel & Ebert AND the Movies"? The Roger Ebert page calls it "Siskel & Ebert AT the Movies" in the second paragraph, but the link calls it "Siskel and Ebert AND The Movies".

Also, from 1999 to 2000, was the show called "Roger Ebert AT the Movies" or "Roger Ebert AND the Movies"? The two articles also contradict themselves on this point.

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.192.185.117 (talk) 09:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The simple answer to the original question, focused on just Siskel and Ebert, is that it was Sneak Previews, At the Movies, then Siskel & Ebert & the Movies.
 * Here's the scoop, as per Total Television by Alex McNeil, 1996 edition; and supplemented by other info here:
 * Sneak Previews 1975-77 (WTTW only, Chicago), 1978-87 (PBS), 1987-88 (Lifetime), 1988-96 - Siskel and Ebert originally, before they moved to syndication; then Jeffrey Lyons and Neal Gabler (1982) followed by Lyons and Michael Medved (1985).
 * At the Movies 1982-90 (Syndicated) - Siskel and Ebert originally, before they began a show with their names in it; Rex Reed and Bill Harris (of Entertainment Tonight) took over in 1986; Dixie Whatley (also from ET) replaced Bill Harris in 1988.
 * Siskel & Ebert & the Movies 1986-? (Syndicated), later retitled simply Siskel & Ebert, then other titles; now called simply At the Movies.
 * Siskel died in 1999 and Richard Roeper joined Ebert in 2000. Since 2006, Ebert no longer appears on TV due to health reasons. The show still exists, with new hosts.
 * Note that during 1982-86 there were three TV series with movie reviews, which was a bit much.
 * ET side note: When Mary Hart took over hosting after Dixie Whatley left, it occurred to me she was "a Dixie Whatley type". Mary has been there for like 27 years now, and whatever became of Whatley?

←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:21, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's the web site of Dixie Whatley. Pepso2 (talk) 18:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Song Name
Can someone please help me with the name of this song. It features the line 'I lose control' and, I think, it's about a guy who sees a girl he likes with another guy and I think it's a recent (2009-ish) release. Any ideas? Thanks 92.0.129.48 (talk) 14:50, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Hm, there's a September '08 song called "Lose Control" by House of Heroes, but it's not about relationships. Is it this song?  Maybe? Moptopstyle1 ("I Feel Fine.") (talk) 21:21, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks but sadly it's not either of them. The sentence 'I lose control' is only rarely sung, in the chorus I think, and not every couple of lines like in the second of your suggestions. Thanks for trying though. 92.0.129.48 (talk) 11:44, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Many music questions could be answered if a little more information was included in the question. Specifically, providing the style, tempo and genre of the song will always help to identify it. If you could give us more details we may be able to find it. cheers, 10draftsdeep (talk) 20:34, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Song
There is a song that played today on 107.1 Hot new Edmonton at around after 8:00 PM. This song was electronic with the chorus repeating "i know what you know" or "i know what I know". It could be possible that "i know what you know" or "i know what I know" may be electronic. There are verses that are rap.

Dragonette's Liar played before this song. A commercial break played after this song. An ad for the radio station played at the end of this commercial break and then an Akon song played.

Who sings this song and who is the artist?174.3.102.6 (talk) 17:05, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * If you went to their web page shortly after you heard the song, you would have been able to see what it was on their home page. They list the songs that they've recently played there.  Since you didn't, you might want to try calling them.  Their phone number, 780-450-3332, is on the home page as well.  If anyone has any idea what they've played, it would be them.  The DJs are probably familiar with their entire playlist.  I've done this a few times.  I'll hear a song on the radio that I like and then the DJs won't mention what they just played because maybe they introduced the song before it came on.  So, I'll ring them up and ask.  The DJs are usually only too happy to tell you and even can tell you what the rest of the album sounds like.  And since they're not on the air at the time, they are generally quite truthful about what they really think about it.  Dismas |(talk) 17:53, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The list on their website might go back farther if you fiddle with it. You could also e-mail the DJ, I've done that before and they are happy to answer this type of stuff. Adam Bishop (talk) 18:34, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Not "I Know What I Know" by Paul Simon, by any chance? Not rap or electronic exactly, but maybe.  You can listen to it here. --Richardrj talkemail 19:46, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Judging by their web site, I doubt they play any ahem... good music Paul Simon.  Dismas |(talk) 19:57, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That song's not bad, but the radio station plays really good songs. Like the Dragonette's Liar.  Call me biased but I'm Canadian.174.3.102.6 (talk) 21:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Harmony in Dominique
How many different notes/parts are sung in the harmony part of Dominique? Bubba73 (Who's attacking me now?), 19:39, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I hear at least three-part harmony. My daughter thinks it is four- or five-part harmony.  I don't think it can be as many as five.  Bubba73 (Who's attacking me now?), 20:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Part of the question could be, how many singers were participating? Was it just the one woman, with several overdubs, or was it a group? Memories are a little fuzzy on that point. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It is a group of several women - I've seen a TV appearance. Bubba73 (Who's attacking me now?), 16:39, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is a youtube link to the song, but it has still photos only. Bubba73 (Who's attacking me now?), 16:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * This is an entirely different performance, with three-part harmony. So although there are several more voices on the famous recording, there are probably only three harmony parts.  Bubba73 (Who's attacking me now?), 16:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Rolling Stone, the Rolling Stones and Like a Rolling Stone
What is the significance of the term 'rolling stone'?--B for Bod (talk) 20:35, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think they're (particularly the Bob Dylan song) from the phrase A rolling stone gathers no moss. - Jarry1250 [Humorous? Discuss.] 20:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Are you asking, "What does the Term 'Rolling Stone' mean?" If that is the question, then here ya go.

roll·ing stone

(plural roll·ing stones) n somebody with no roots: somebody who is incapable of staying in the same job or place for very long 

[Originally in the proverb, "a rolling stone gathers no moss"] Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

If that helps.. Moptopstyle1 ("I Feel Fine.") (talk) 21:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

The Rolling Stones and Rolling Stone magazine both reportedly took their name from the Muddy Waters song, "Rollin' Stone." Other "Rolling Stone" songs: "Papa Was a Rollin' Stone" (The Temptations), "Daddy Rollin' Stone" (The Who), and "The Cover of the Rolling Stone" (Dr. Hook & The Medicine Show). —D. Monack talk 07:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't it in the American Pie lyrics too? Alansplodge (talk) 21:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but McLean changed it to "Moss grows fat on a rolling stone." -- k a i n a w &trade; 22:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * That old proverb also appears as a lyric in the 1958 song "Early in the Morning (Bobby Darin song)". Also, that definition, "incapable of..." is the negative viewpoint. The other side of it is that someone who stays on the move doesn't get old and stodgy. Don MacLean's variation kind of has it both ways. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

School
New question!

In California, what are the best colleges to go to for majoring in Music Production, and do get a Doctoral Degree in it? Moptopstyle1 ("I Feel Fine.") (talk) 23:11, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * From the top: "[t]he reference desk does not answer requests for opinions". Sorry to not be more helpful, but the reference desk is the wrong venue for such questions as this. Chris Rocen (talk) 23:51, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was actually going for the colleges that are known for their Music Production classes. But, oh well, that's okay. I didn't realize that I wrote my question for an opinionated answer. Sorry. I'll just try to stick to helping answering questions... :-/ Moptopstyle1 ("I Feel Fine.") (talk) 00:02, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Wait! Would the question, "What colleges in California have Music Production courses, and where you can receive a Doctoral Degree in Music Production" a correct question?

If it is, then that's my question. Moptopstyle1 ("I Feel Fine.") (talk) 00:05, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I assumed by 'best' you were asking for an opinion, since 'best' is subjective and personal. Anyway, yes, that is a suitable question :) Chris Rocen (talk) 02:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Finally I've learned to ask a question correctly! Thanks. :) Well then. "What colleges in California have Music Production courses, and where you can receive a Doctoral Degree in Music Production?" Moptopstyle1 ("I Feel Fine.") (talk) 02:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe that collegeboard has the capability to search for colleges under given parameters (i.e. find me a rural in-state college in California that offers the major Music Production, has badminton, and has alcohol-free housing available for undergraduates on campus).  You can get a whole lot more specific than that even, or you can let it just be as broad as "US College".  It helped me a lot last year in my college search. Falconus p  t   c 03:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh cool. Thanks. Moptopstyle1 ("I Feel Fine.") (talk) 04:07, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Remember, however, that what you think you want to do now will probably change after one year of college. It might change a few more times after that. If you choose a college based on what you think you want to get a doctorate in, you'll probably be extremely unhappy. Adam Bishop (talk) 06:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, for future reference, the entertainment desk may not be the best desk for this question. Falconus p t   c 12:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC)